| Do (some of) our fans deserve to go up this season? 11:10 - Dec 21 with 3541 views | jasondozzell |
KM and team quietly making progress. We were always going to finish top 6 but I'm now very optimistic about top two. I think we will win the league.
But do we deserve to go up again? When KM came in our support deserved every moment after years of misery and after backing the team through thick and thin. A few idiots aside (Bristol Rovers away etc) the support was excellent and it was always about enjoying the team's success.
But ever since the success came back that's gone in many ways. A lot of 'fans' now who seen to see Town as a 'plaything' - something to discard at the first moment it's not doing what you want it to do. A lot of individualism where 'support' is all about me having a good time and generally behaving like a berk and not really about the team's success at all. The kind of supporter who spends all the game more interested in the opposition fans and posturing and doesn't watch the game at all. Or who loves giving it large on social media when everything is great but really it's still all about them and not the team. Dare I say it the kind who says 'the tifo spoilt my view for 30 seconds'.
The treatment of the team and some players this season along with the entitlement has been horrible to see. Same mob who wrote off Philogene and Clarke unable to see the irony of their disgraceful treatment of MacAteer.
As Sitters said, it was poor to see thousands flocking for the exit yesterday ahead of the end. I know some people have to get off and can't help it but the majority of that was the 'i want to get home and not be delayed' crowd. Individualism again. Staying to clap the players and staff after winning 3-1 at home before Xmas isn't asking much is it.
And it's becoming farcical in games when we go berserk over playing out from the back. The ENTIRE KM period of success has been built on this!!!!!!!! It's brave football. Same crowd then gets excited when surprise surprise we break their press doing it and find the spare man. Grown men where I sit who turned up once the team started doing well screaming at Walton is so bloody annoying.
Do we deserve to go up? A part of me thinks we really don't. [Post edited 21 Dec 12:54]
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| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 13:21 - Dec 21 with 820 views | jasondozzell |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 13:17 - Dec 21 by hammo56 |
So you really think that this current team could be competitive in the Prem? Each to their own I guess. |
Yes! If we did manage to go up, we'll add players. But we've got a decent base. | | | |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 13:22 - Dec 21 with 814 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 12:25 - Dec 21 by hammo56 |
I don’t know about if the fans deserve it but I certainly fear what might happen if this team managed to go up. |
Too right, and we'd better bloomin' well stay nice a low in the Premier League if we did, imagine if we qualified for Europe, we'd be rubbish against the European teams.
Boooo, down with ambition, let's stay down and safe, what shall we say? 7th wouldn't want to get into the playoffs and accidentally win. |  | | |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 13:24 - Dec 21 with 812 views | jasondozzell |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 13:22 - Dec 21 by Axeldalai_lama |
Too right, and we'd better bloomin' well stay nice a low in the Premier League if we did, imagine if we qualified for Europe, we'd be rubbish against the European teams.
Boooo, down with ambition, let's stay down and safe, what shall we say? 7th wouldn't want to get into the playoffs and accidentally win. |
Entire support weeping into their cornflakes because we've made the Champions League final.
'Please god noooo!' | | | |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 13:26 - Dec 21 with 795 views | algy |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 12:53 - Dec 21 by jasondozzell |
It really wasn't that bad. |
ONE win and FOURTEEN defeats at home.
Overall the worst season for results in the club's history.
It wasn't just bad. |  |
| Veni Vidi Participatur. Now we can get back to competing. |
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| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 13:34 - Dec 21 with 774 views | jasondozzell |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 13:26 - Dec 21 by algy |
ONE win and FOURTEEN defeats at home.
Overall the worst season for results in the club's history.
It wasn't just bad. |
Numbers.
What I saw was a league one team get to the prem and be competitive for first half of the season. Playing with heart and determination against clubs that have superstores in Indonesia. | | | |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 13:38 - Dec 21 with 767 views | Dubtractor |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 11:31 - Dec 21 by FrimleyBlue |
So far weve had
Where is everyone when we win
Who's moaning at philogene now
And now weve got do fans deserve promotion
You see how you and some others dont like anti positive posts after negative results
What are these sort of posts? You can't moan at someone posting an anti positive thread so lets creat an anti fan thread instead.
Do 95% of supporters deserve promotion. Yes
Do 5% that go to games get pssed. Moan or shout to look good amongst there mates no. But thats the same 5% found at any stadium.
For all the posts asking people not to moan online about players. Whats the constant weekly need to post about the fans.
These posts imo are as bad as the anti mcateer posts or the anti km posts.
So many people left on a cold December day with christmas coming up. Work parties. Fake Xmas events planned etc.
You look around champ games on tv the grounds are empty. PR isn't.
So do those 28000 people what ever it is deserve promotion yes. Because they have funded the side put together to go for promotion. |
It's fine that you don't/can't get to games Frimmers, no judgement on that, but I'd suggest that trying to make sweeping statements about the mood and atmosphere, or peoples motivations for leaving, in a stadium that you're not in is misplaced.
It is WAAAAY more than 5% of the stadium being impatient and grumbling, or getting abusive in the worst cases. And there were a huge number of people leaving early yesterday, it was really bizarre.
Sometimes it's fine to not offer an opinion.
FWIW I disagree with the premise of fans not deserving promotion, but 100% there is a level of entitlement creeping in that we used to mock the fans of other clubs for, it is not a good look. |  |
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| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 13:39 - Dec 21 with 763 views | hammo56 |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 13:22 - Dec 21 by Axeldalai_lama |
Too right, and we'd better bloomin' well stay nice a low in the Premier League if we did, imagine if we qualified for Europe, we'd be rubbish against the European teams.
Boooo, down with ambition, let's stay down and safe, what shall we say? 7th wouldn't want to get into the playoffs and accidentally win. |
European football, who needs that when you have already seen your team beat Real Madrid and Barcelona at home. | | | |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 13:55 - Dec 21 with 734 views | tractorshark |
I agree with much of the tone of the OP’s post.
I said last week we’ve rediscovered 10,000 Ipswich fans over the past three seasons and they won’t have the patience of long term fans who have stuck by the club for years.
They are fickle and they will gradually slip away if we don’t achieve promotion back to the Prem. We’ve seen that with demand for away tickets. But every club is the same.
I’ve been going for the best part of 40 years so I’ve seen my fair share of doldrums but I’ve loved this era almost as much as I did 92/93.
We’re all guilty of letting expectation consume us, me included. And we all have bouts of frustration even during the good times. Any football fan that tells you otherwise is lying. Sometimes it’s the hope that kills you.
But I would categorically say the fanbase is not divided, as someone suggested this week.
It just has differences of opinion and that’s fine. In fact, it’s healthy.
I come on this forum to talk about the team I love and read different views from different people.
You may not always agree with everything I post and vice versa but I don’t think you’re any less of a fan because of it.
Yesterday’s thread about it all going quiet on here because we’ve won is just as bad as any thread calling out the ‘happy clappers’.
Just embrace and debate the difference of opinion even if you don’t agree with it.
There’s not a single Ipswich fan who doesn’t want the best for the club.
And I’d say after witnessing some of the lean and stagnant times, we probably all deserve that even if none of us should feel entitled to it. | | | |
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| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 16:49 - Dec 21 with 629 views | DJR |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 13:26 - Dec 21 by algy |
ONE win and FOURTEEN defeats at home.
Overall the worst season for results in the club's history.
It wasn't just bad. |
I was at all but one of our away games, and we were competitive in many of them.
Overall, I enjoyed the season. [Post edited 21 Dec 16:49]
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| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 16:58 - Dec 21 with 612 views | DJR |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 11:48 - Dec 21 by lazyblue |
Found it bizarre how many people seemed to get before 90mins AND then even more bizarre with 9 mins injury a mass exodus came . At 9 mins I thought great time for another goal. |
I did leave on about 9 minutes but then again I was booked on the 17.20 train, and, apart from London games, all of my journeys home and away are at least 2.5 hours.
Normally, I stay to the end to home or away to clap the players whatever the result, but not yesterday. | | | |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 16:59 - Dec 21 with 608 views | jasondozzell |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 16:58 - Dec 21 by DJR |
I did leave on about 9 minutes but then again I was booked on the 17.20 train, and, apart from London games, all of my journeys home and away are at least 2.5 hours.
Normally, I stay to the end to home or away to clap the players whatever the result, but not yesterday. |
Accidental down vote - meant to be an uppie!!! | | | |
| Do (some of) our fans deserve to go up this season? on 17:03 - Dec 21 with 611 views | Illinoisblue |
How others see us. From a Sheffield journalist:
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| Do (some of) our fans deserve to go up this season? on 17:20 - Dec 21 with 583 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Do (some of) our fans deserve to go up this season? on 17:03 - Dec 21 by Illinoisblue |
How others see us. From a Sheffield journalist:
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There are a small minority of entitled fans who would almost certainly roll their eyes at that and dispute it. Talk of Ashton just wanting publicity, our recruitment team terrible, McKenna tactics being poor, even the stadium expansion a sign of them concentrating on the wrong thing and having bad leadership.
Clearly a small group, but it does feel that much more entitled this time on a lower level by quite a few more on account of it not being all the best parts of the last few years repeated, the drama, the perfect group of lads, the new money used perfectly, the endless progress maintained. And if not achieved then something can be pointed to over the last few years that was better. Like my kids getting an ice cream that's not quite as good as the one on their summer holidays. | | | |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 17:37 - Dec 21 with 548 views | bazza |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 13:38 - Dec 21 by Dubtractor |
It's fine that you don't/can't get to games Frimmers, no judgement on that, but I'd suggest that trying to make sweeping statements about the mood and atmosphere, or peoples motivations for leaving, in a stadium that you're not in is misplaced.
It is WAAAAY more than 5% of the stadium being impatient and grumbling, or getting abusive in the worst cases. And there were a huge number of people leaving early yesterday, it was really bizarre.
Sometimes it's fine to not offer an opinion.
FWIW I disagree with the premise of fans not deserving promotion, but 100% there is a level of entitlement creeping in that we used to mock the fans of other clubs for, it is not a good look. |
I think some of it Is a lack of connection with the players, we had two season of never say die players, who had songs ringing out for them, the will And desire to win showed all over the pitch, at the minute it’s all A bit laboured and hard to get that feeling back, we really lack a few characters on the pitch. Morsy luongo chappers burns Clarke..I wonder if this is why hirst looks so dejected,. |  | | |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 17:54 - Dec 21 with 518 views | DavoIPB |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 11:25 - Dec 21 by bazza |
It’s not necessarily playing out from the back, it’s playing out From the back poorly .. fans react to what’s happening on the pitch at every club across the country, and when the build up play is exceptionally slow, and the passes are short or we squander chances and pass the ball until We Lose possession it’s frustrating, it costs a lot of money being a football fan, And I’d say out of most clubs we have a very patient fan base , it was a relegated very poor Wednesday team, who at one point looked like they might nick a draw. I do agree with you that we could Win this league, but with a few solid additions in January. |
Exactly this. Other teams easily play out from the back and find it very easy to play around us quickly getting the ball into midfield and up the pitch. We do the same move every time and it's so easy to read. | | | |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 22:42 - Dec 21 with 429 views | Churchman |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 17:37 - Dec 21 by bazza |
I think some of it Is a lack of connection with the players, we had two season of never say die players, who had songs ringing out for them, the will And desire to win showed all over the pitch, at the minute it’s all A bit laboured and hard to get that feeling back, we really lack a few characters on the pitch. Morsy luongo chappers burns Clarke..I wonder if this is why hirst looks so dejected,. |
Lack characters? Really? We have plenty of those. People conveniently forget Charlton away with those players, Bristol Rovers and Morsy giving some idiots an earful and plenty of other games too.
We just have a percentage of people that attend games and post on here that loath the players, manager and what the club is trying to do. Entitlement. That’s why unless we win 4-0 the criticism is heaped on. It’s not balanced and is in some cases beyond criticism. A loss, draw or narrow win, this forum is best avoided.
The ground itself? I thought it was ok yesterday. A few days before Christmas, good attendance, not the warmest, reasonable support at times. You could hear the crowd getting on the keeper/defenders back when they laboured to get the ball out or if a player made a mistake. But that’s normal for this club now, so no surprise. Even BBC picked up on the mood pre Kipre’s goal. But by and large it was fine.
People pay their money so are entitled to do as they please, but it does not stop it being sad.
So do the fans deserve to go up this season? The vast majority - yes. Of course they do. But for some, another few years in League One might teach them to appreciate what they have. Sheffield Wednesday’s people are pleased to still have a club.
Evans was taking us into oblivion so where we are and what the owners are trying to do should perhaps be appreciated a little more by the bedsheet brigade as opposed to scorned. |  | | |
| Do (some of) our fans deserve to go up this season? on 23:00 - Dec 21 with 411 views | SWLondonBlue93 |
A relatively small proportion of our fans have an entitled attitude, but that is no different to any other football club. Expectations are high but again that is the case for all clubs with parachute payments, it cannot be disputed that it is a huge advantage. I don't think we need a "I'm a better fan than you" thread rolled out on here after every game to be honest. | | | |
| Do (some of) our fans deserve to go up this season? on 23:09 - Dec 21 with 393 views | jas0999 |
Nothing to do with the fans surely?
KM is being paid a lot of money for one goal … promotion. If he doesn’t achieve it, it’s nothing to do with the fans. He’s had the backing financially.
This is one of the best and most expensive squads in championship history. If I was a board member, promotion is the least you’d expect. | | | |
| Do (some of) our fans deserve to go up this season? on 23:18 - Dec 21 with 360 views | positivity |
| Do (some of) our fans deserve to go up this season? on 23:09 - Dec 21 by jas0999 |
Nothing to do with the fans surely?
KM is being paid a lot of money for one goal … promotion. If he doesn’t achieve it, it’s nothing to do with the fans. He’s had the backing financially.
This is one of the best and most expensive squads in championship history. If I was a board member, promotion is the least you’d expect. |
just like farke in 2023-24?
fortunately for leeds, their board were less entitled than you, had a lot more nous and a vast amount more patience! | |
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| Do (some of) our fans deserve to go up this season? on 00:22 - Dec 22 with 333 views | BouncebackIpswich |
It's not about whether the fans deserve it it's about whether the players and manager, coaching staff will have earned it. Some of these posts calling out fans are really O.T.T. |  | | |
| Do (some of) our fans deserve to go up this season? on 08:23 - Dec 22 with 246 views | positivity |
| Do (some of) our fans deserve to go up this season? on 00:22 - Dec 22 by BouncebackIpswich |
It's not about whether the fans deserve it it's about whether the players and manager, coaching staff will have earned it. Some of these posts calling out fans are really O.T.T. |
not as ott as the posts calling out the players, coaches and managers for "only" managing 1.9 points per game since the transfer window closed! | |
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| As well as fans streaming out… what about McKenna support?! 4 years!! on 08:43 - Dec 22 with 229 views | unstableblue |
As you say the early mass exit and lethargic response to the fist bump from A Block and Lower North… after a 3-1 win, into third, just before Christmas… was woeful.
Especially as the likes of Kipre, Matusiwa and Philogene had put really good shifts in, Clarke continues to play some great stuff, and we’d ended the game with some waves of exciting attack - for example Azor and McAteer deserved that goal,
Keeper extended legs brilliantly and fortuitously.
But I really felt for McKenna… he approached North to clap and receive some praise.. it was emptying… then as he turned and walked back there was a muted Super McKenna song… which he turned back to face and it limply died
Where’s the TIFO or vocal support for the guy - he could have left easily twice and might have been better for him.
Yes the players haven’t delivered this season fully, but we’re in a good spot. Yes it was a poor first half performance but the second was much improved.
The Sheff Weds fans support for their players is a model.
Let’s give McKenna and the boys some backing - people might be surprised by the difference it makes. |  |
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| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 09:36 - Dec 22 with 172 views | Herbivore |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 13:17 - Dec 21 by hammo56 |
So you really think that this current team could be competitive in the Prem? Each to their own I guess. |
Out of interest, when was the last time a side got promoted to the Prem and kept exactly the same squad the following season? |  |
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| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 09:44 - Dec 22 with 154 views | hammo56 |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 09:36 - Dec 22 by Herbivore |
Out of interest, when was the last time a side got promoted to the Prem and kept exactly the same squad the following season? |
That is the problem. The current squad would need a complete overhaul again as the majority of the current squad are nowhere near Premiership standard and do you have confidence that the recruitment team would get it right this time? | | | |
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