| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads 15:10 - Dec 22 with 8017 views | chicoazul |
May even wear my rainbow laces to the game. |  |
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| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 13:30 - Dec 24 with 851 views | pointofblue |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 09:25 - Dec 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
How do we know he was "happy to wear that sponsor on his chest"? He may have been pissed off with it but had no choice. I wasn't happy having Marcus Evans or Magical Vegas across my chest, but if I wanted to wear an Ipswich shirt I was stuck with them and it didn't mean I endorsed either of them.
Also, wearing a shirt with a gambling sponsor isn't the same as gambling. |
In fairness, the young Blues were given a different sponsor to Magical Vegas, albeit because of regulations. I wonder what would have happened if a senior player had said he didn't want to promote gambling?
I think the thread just shows some will be hurt by Morsy's decision whilst others don't think it matters in the slightest. Maybe personal experience plays a part. |  |
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| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 14:24 - Dec 24 with 799 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 13:30 - Dec 24 by pointofblue |
In fairness, the young Blues were given a different sponsor to Magical Vegas, albeit because of regulations. I wonder what would have happened if a senior player had said he didn't want to promote gambling?
I think the thread just shows some will be hurt by Morsy's decision whilst others don't think it matters in the slightest. Maybe personal experience plays a part. |
I don't particularly want to defend Morsy, but without having enough information I think it's hard (and unfair) to make any pronouncement either way.
I think there's a spectrum - from one extreme being he's a massive homophobe who thinks being gay is wrong... to he's uncomfortable promoting something against his religion and/or wanting to abstain from any kind of political statement (but personally doesn't have a problem with different sexualities). I can't see how anyone can be 100% on either end of that spectrum. But I think it's really unfair to simply write him off as a homophobe and that's the end of it (with no other evidence than he won't wear some laces).
And yes, I agree, your personal experience will affect where you think he falls on that spectrum - but, while it's perfectly understandable, I'm not sure it should do. I prefer to step back and try to be objective (which will also be coloured by my personal experience!) |  |
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| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 16:45 - Dec 24 with 743 views | Libero |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 13:30 - Dec 24 by pointofblue |
In fairness, the young Blues were given a different sponsor to Magical Vegas, albeit because of regulations. I wonder what would have happened if a senior player had said he didn't want to promote gambling?
I think the thread just shows some will be hurt by Morsy's decision whilst others don't think it matters in the slightest. Maybe personal experience plays a part. |
Same as happens for all Muslim players who do *actually* take a strong stance due to their religious beliefs - he’d have been given a shirt without the sponsorship.
Also see, players under 18 are unable to wear shirts with betting or alcohol companies sponsoring, so on a few rare occasions, there are youngsters who have taken to the field without such sponsorships on their shirts too. [Post edited 24 Dec 2025 20:27]
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| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 17:29 - Dec 24 with 709 views | NedPlimpton |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 13:30 - Dec 24 by pointofblue |
In fairness, the young Blues were given a different sponsor to Magical Vegas, albeit because of regulations. I wonder what would have happened if a senior player had said he didn't want to promote gambling?
I think the thread just shows some will be hurt by Morsy's decision whilst others don't think it matters in the slightest. Maybe personal experience plays a part. |
Papa cisse refused to wear Wonga on his shirt...
https://www.independent.co.uk/
Taking a stand against gambling or other such firms has been done before. Morsy clearly chose to remain silent on that issue but was wearing the shirt regardless. He chose to remain silent on the rainbow armbands but refused to wear it. I'm not drawing conclusions from it, but I think it's fair to question it as others have done |  | | |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 15:30 - Jan 9 with 445 views | DJR |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 14:12 - Dec 23 by DJR |
Not such a recent development as you might think, and a reaction to the colour bar that once operated in pubs.
I posted this link a few weeks ago about it.
https://learn.camra.org.uk/cou
And here's a further link.
https://www.atlasobscura.com/a [Post edited 23 Dec 2025 14:16]
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Further to my post, I listened to an interesting programme today on Radio 4 about Desi pubs.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/p [Post edited 9 Jan 15:31]
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| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 16:11 - Jan 9 with 369 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 01:28 - Dec 24 by bartyg |
Why not?
And why are you so defensive about it? You can say it doesn't but others can only judge you on your actions. |
Why would that action make you racist? That would be a pretty dangerous assumption that an action NOT to do something would place you in that category. Zaha refused because he found it degrading and a form of virtue signaling that wasn't leading to any change. Others felt it was completely losing it's meaning.
No individual should be forced to take the knee, wear a poppy, kneel for anthem, sing an anthem, wear rainbow colors or anything else if they don't want to. Alternatively if someone wants to wear rainbow laces every week for whatever the reasons, they should be able to proudly without being questioned on it.
It's dangerous when employers, sections of supporters or governing bodies demand something when it comes to an individual that might have a different viewpoint. The argument can be looked at different ways, from societal values vs religious tolerance. Especially dangerous when a lot of the powers that be are so financially driven and morally corrupt anyway.
Alternatively, if you feel strongly that he should have worn it, I am not sure what his success or playing for Ipswich Town would have to do with why he shouldn't be criticized. That seems a weird position to take from a few as well. |  |
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| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 17:07 - Jan 9 with 291 views | MattinLondon |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 16:11 - Jan 9 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Why would that action make you racist? That would be a pretty dangerous assumption that an action NOT to do something would place you in that category. Zaha refused because he found it degrading and a form of virtue signaling that wasn't leading to any change. Others felt it was completely losing it's meaning.
No individual should be forced to take the knee, wear a poppy, kneel for anthem, sing an anthem, wear rainbow colors or anything else if they don't want to. Alternatively if someone wants to wear rainbow laces every week for whatever the reasons, they should be able to proudly without being questioned on it.
It's dangerous when employers, sections of supporters or governing bodies demand something when it comes to an individual that might have a different viewpoint. The argument can be looked at different ways, from societal values vs religious tolerance. Especially dangerous when a lot of the powers that be are so financially driven and morally corrupt anyway.
Alternatively, if you feel strongly that he should have worn it, I am not sure what his success or playing for Ipswich Town would have to do with why he shouldn't be criticized. That seems a weird position to take from a few as well. |
To me, this thread highlights the double-standards employed by many people within football and within society.
In the past, James McLean has been quite eloquent in offering his reasons to why he doesn’t wear a poppy - personal experiences has led him to making that decision. I think perfectly justified and to an extent, courageous in not going for an easy life and wearing it. But to some, that isn’t good enough and he gets abused and booed (think he was booed down here but can’t remember if that was the case).
In the case of players offering up excuses based on religous teaching etc I do think that that is a smokescreen for their own homophobia. I’m sure that they don’t live by everything as laid out in the Old Testament
Possibly I’m more sympathetic to the former case as I have no real affinity with religion of any kind.
Possibly society at the present, is far too intolerant as other peoples viewpoint, hence the divide on this subject. I know that I can be guilty of this as well. |  | | |
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| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 18:19 - Jan 9 with 243 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 16:11 - Jan 9 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Why would that action make you racist? That would be a pretty dangerous assumption that an action NOT to do something would place you in that category. Zaha refused because he found it degrading and a form of virtue signaling that wasn't leading to any change. Others felt it was completely losing it's meaning.
No individual should be forced to take the knee, wear a poppy, kneel for anthem, sing an anthem, wear rainbow colors or anything else if they don't want to. Alternatively if someone wants to wear rainbow laces every week for whatever the reasons, they should be able to proudly without being questioned on it.
It's dangerous when employers, sections of supporters or governing bodies demand something when it comes to an individual that might have a different viewpoint. The argument can be looked at different ways, from societal values vs religious tolerance. Especially dangerous when a lot of the powers that be are so financially driven and morally corrupt anyway.
Alternatively, if you feel strongly that he should have worn it, I am not sure what his success or playing for Ipswich Town would have to do with why he shouldn't be criticized. That seems a weird position to take from a few as well. |
Just out of interest, what is your view on students saying the Pledge of Allegiance in US schools? |  |
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