| I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. 16:53 - Dec 28 with 981 views | vilanovablue |
I know it's not been perfect and there have been poor individual errors. However this criticism is only doing 2 things dividing the fan base and getting borderline abusive towards some of our players. We are third whilst not playing as we'd ideally want, however we did batter Cov 3 nil who are steam rollering the rest of the division. I still genuinely think we're doing OK with obvious room for improvement. Jan around the corner, so let's not let things get out of hand. The environment on here frankly has been toxic recently. We've gone from debate to abuse of individual players and I'd like to think we're better than that. [Post edited 28 Dec 16:54]
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| I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 17:09 - Dec 28 with 843 views | NedPlimpton |
I might be alone in this but it feels like the criticism of the criticism is more prolific!
There's 2 posts around entitlement, another taking aim at the moaners and now yours |  | | |
| I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 17:14 - Dec 28 with 815 views | vilanovablue |
| I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 17:09 - Dec 28 by NedPlimpton |
I might be alone in this but it feels like the criticism of the criticism is more prolific!
There's 2 posts around entitlement, another taking aim at the moaners and now yours |
I'm not really talking about entitlement though. I'm just not a fan of how unpleasant this place is getting. I've used the site for close to 30 years and this feels the worst it's been when in real terms, especially when we're doing OK. Given my previous caveats. | | | |
| Can you give some examples.... on 17:19 - Dec 28 with 778 views | Bloots |
| I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 17:14 - Dec 28 by vilanovablue |
I'm not really talking about entitlement though. I'm just not a fan of how unpleasant this place is getting. I've used the site for close to 30 years and this feels the worst it's been when in real terms, especially when we're doing OK. Given my previous caveats. |
....of the "unpleasantness"?
The worst I've seen on here is stuff along the lines of "McAteer is crap". Hardly horrific personal abuse.
As noted previously most of the moaning on here seems to be from the cool kids moaning about the moaning. |  |
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| I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 17:19 - Dec 28 with 771 views | Libero |
| I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 17:14 - Dec 28 by vilanovablue |
I'm not really talking about entitlement though. I'm just not a fan of how unpleasant this place is getting. I've used the site for close to 30 years and this feels the worst it's been when in real terms, especially when we're doing OK. Given my previous caveats. |
I think a good part of that is just the nature of football discourse in the modern era and the state of the world influencing how people feel/react to things and as such, communicate- but yes, there’s a whole host of whoppers offering ridiculous criticism on a daily basis.
Makes you wonder how these people survived when we were actually sh*t. [Post edited 28 Dec 17:21]
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| Can you give some examples.... on 17:23 - Dec 28 with 700 views | vilanovablue |
| Can you give some examples.... on 17:19 - Dec 28 by Bloots |
....of the "unpleasantness"?
The worst I've seen on here is stuff along the lines of "McAteer is crap". Hardly horrific personal abuse.
As noted previously most of the moaning on here seems to be from the cool kids moaning about the moaning. |
It just feels a little relentless and it's not just "McAteer's a bit crap". | | | |
| I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 17:24 - Dec 28 with 689 views | vilanovablue |
| I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 17:19 - Dec 28 by Libero |
I think a good part of that is just the nature of football discourse in the modern era and the state of the world influencing how people feel/react to things and as such, communicate- but yes, there’s a whole host of whoppers offering ridiculous criticism on a daily basis.
Makes you wonder how these people survived when we were actually sh*t. [Post edited 28 Dec 17:21]
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I think it's the ridiculous levels of criticism, anyone who thinks this is bad hasn't seen us play much! | | | |
| What is it then....? on 17:25 - Dec 28 with 678 views | Bloots |
| Can you give some examples.... on 17:23 - Dec 28 by vilanovablue |
It just feels a little relentless and it's not just "McAteer's a bit crap". |
....or is it just a feeling? | |
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| What is it then....? on 17:28 - Dec 28 with 655 views | vilanovablue |
| What is it then....? on 17:25 - Dec 28 by Bloots |
....or is it just a feeling? |
You're not wrong but hey I was just explaining mine in the context of TWTD right now. I like the place but more recently when we lose it's all just a bit grim. | | | |
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| Fair enough, but.... on 17:35 - Dec 28 with 610 views | Bloots |
| What is it then....? on 17:28 - Dec 28 by vilanovablue |
You're not wrong but hey I was just explaining mine in the context of TWTD right now. I like the place but more recently when we lose it's all just a bit grim. |
....I think the couple of relentlessly negative posters on here are negated by the couple of relentlessly positive posters on here.
The rest is just healthy debate.
Personally I think we are performing well below the level we should be given the apparent quality of players we have invested in. Our league position is healthy, but only because the overall quality of this league is so low.
Nobody should be immune to a bit of criticism, even the fully paid up members of the cult of Ashton and McKenna have to accept that.
I think it's fair to comment on the negatives just as much as the positives. | |
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| I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 17:37 - Dec 28 with 592 views | Kieran_Knows |
| I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 17:19 - Dec 28 by Libero |
I think a good part of that is just the nature of football discourse in the modern era and the state of the world influencing how people feel/react to things and as such, communicate- but yes, there’s a whole host of whoppers offering ridiculous criticism on a daily basis.
Makes you wonder how these people survived when we were actually sh*t. [Post edited 28 Dec 17:21]
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I want it all and I want it now, attitude. |  |
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| I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 17:39 - Dec 28 with 584 views | gtsb1966 |
To be fair there are a couple of players who have been poor so far considering the money and pursuing we did. Also the manager has under performed considering the squad he has . The criticism is fair. |  | | |
| I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. (n/t) on 17:49 - Dec 28 with 532 views | vilanovablue |
| I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 17:39 - Dec 28 by gtsb1966 |
To be fair there are a couple of players who have been poor so far considering the money and pursuing we did. Also the manager has under performed considering the squad he has . The criticism is fair. |
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| I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 17:54 - Dec 28 with 505 views | NedPlimpton |
| I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 17:39 - Dec 28 by gtsb1966 |
To be fair there are a couple of players who have been poor so far considering the money and pursuing we did. Also the manager has under performed considering the squad he has . The criticism is fair. |
Honestly don't know how anyone could disagree with this
Perhaps you're just supposed to think it and not say it these days | | | |
| Can you give some examples.... on 17:54 - Dec 28 with 506 views | DJR |
| Can you give some examples.... on 17:23 - Dec 28 by vilanovablue |
It just feels a little relentless and it's not just "McAteer's a bit crap". |
It's not just TWTD.
McAteer got it both barrels on Friday when attacking the away end on Friday.
He played much better in the second half but that was probably because he was not attacking the away end.
The other thing that seems to have changed is that we've generally stopped singing at the end of games, home or away.
I do feel McKenna and presumably the players have sensed a change of mood amongst the fans.
This seems to me a shame.
We'd have settled for a point against a team in Millwall's position two seasons ago but on Saturday the vast majority had left before the players came over. [Post edited 28 Dec 17:58]
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| I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 18:04 - Dec 28 with 449 views | Libero |
| I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 17:37 - Dec 28 by Kieran_Knows |
I want it all and I want it now, attitude. |
Just embarrassingly reactionary- sometimes I’ll take a peak on match day and there will be threads made because a player has misplaced a couple of passes lol.
People want simple answers to complex questions (much like a lot of modern discourse away from football) and they’ll create nonsense, single out players and create narratives in vain attempts to find those non-existent simplistic answers, irrespective of reality.
There’s a real expectancy from some so called ‘supporters’ that money equals instant and unrivalled success, but that’s not how it works- more to that, do these people not remember what the championship is like? Everyone can beat everyone and teams really struggle for consistency- that’s why it’s such an exciting league.
Many also seem to forget that in both our previous promotion seasons under McKenna we were often fair to middling, until we locked in. | | | |
| I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 18:16 - Dec 28 with 376 views | blueoutlook |
More point scoring. It’s a forum,people are allowed to have different opinions. The guy that runs this site wouldn’t have one if we didn’t have different ideas and views. That’s the whole idea of the site. Everyone is allowed to express themselves on here that how it works on a forum. |  | | |
| Can you give some examples.... on 18:35 - Dec 28 with 310 views | ITFCSG |
| Can you give some examples.... on 17:54 - Dec 28 by DJR |
It's not just TWTD.
McAteer got it both barrels on Friday when attacking the away end on Friday.
He played much better in the second half but that was probably because he was not attacking the away end.
The other thing that seems to have changed is that we've generally stopped singing at the end of games, home or away.
I do feel McKenna and presumably the players have sensed a change of mood amongst the fans.
This seems to me a shame.
We'd have settled for a point against a team in Millwall's position two seasons ago but on Saturday the vast majority had left before the players came over. [Post edited 28 Dec 17:58]
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Perhaps it is due to the lack of entertainment in general as well. Fans want to watch fast, attacking, flowing football like what we played in 23/24. Or even 1st half of the PL season against superior opposition. Support was massive.
The current brand of football this season has been frankly pedestrian, a lot of sideways and backwards passing to nowhere, players taking 30 seconds for a throw in, no sense of urgency even in the dying minutes of the game when we needed another goal etc. all these factors play into the mood as well.
Some supporters may think like you - "We'd have settled for a point against a team in Millwall's position two seasons ago" - but conversely many others will think "we beat them 0-4 the last time, before spending £150 million!" and of course walk out of the Den in disappointment? anger? or apathy without bothering to applaud. |  | | |
| Can you give some examples.... on 18:47 - Dec 28 with 259 views | Vaughan8 |
| Can you give some examples.... on 18:35 - Dec 28 by ITFCSG |
Perhaps it is due to the lack of entertainment in general as well. Fans want to watch fast, attacking, flowing football like what we played in 23/24. Or even 1st half of the PL season against superior opposition. Support was massive.
The current brand of football this season has been frankly pedestrian, a lot of sideways and backwards passing to nowhere, players taking 30 seconds for a throw in, no sense of urgency even in the dying minutes of the game when we needed another goal etc. all these factors play into the mood as well.
Some supporters may think like you - "We'd have settled for a point against a team in Millwall's position two seasons ago" - but conversely many others will think "we beat them 0-4 the last time, before spending £150 million!" and of course walk out of the Den in disappointment? anger? or apathy without bothering to applaud. |
I'm sorry, have you not read all the previous threads
You can't criticise anything. Everything is great. We were in league 1 5 years ago you know. Because we were there recently, you need to be grateful for where we are now.
Don't take any context into account. The fact we've spent money and expectations are higher shouldn't come into play.
Come.on. you need to keep up........! Oh and stop making valid points if it's criticising anyone or any thing. | | | |
| Can you give some examples.... on 18:49 - Dec 28 with 244 views | Churchman |
| Can you give some examples.... on 18:35 - Dec 28 by ITFCSG |
Perhaps it is due to the lack of entertainment in general as well. Fans want to watch fast, attacking, flowing football like what we played in 23/24. Or even 1st half of the PL season against superior opposition. Support was massive.
The current brand of football this season has been frankly pedestrian, a lot of sideways and backwards passing to nowhere, players taking 30 seconds for a throw in, no sense of urgency even in the dying minutes of the game when we needed another goal etc. all these factors play into the mood as well.
Some supporters may think like you - "We'd have settled for a point against a team in Millwall's position two seasons ago" - but conversely many others will think "we beat them 0-4 the last time, before spending £150 million!" and of course walk out of the Den in disappointment? anger? or apathy without bothering to applaud. |
Did we spend £150m??? I never knew. Wish somebody had mentioned it. What a surprise!
Yes, two seasons ago a point away at a top six side who’ve been there all season would have been seen as a decent result. At top six West Brom two season ago we took a pasting and the tears of rage and hysterics weren’t present then. But then there was no feeling of entitlement I suppose.
Do you have anything positive to say about ITFC? Just curious. |  | | |
| I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 19:01 - Dec 28 with 219 views | Vic |
| I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 17:54 - Dec 28 by NedPlimpton |
Honestly don't know how anyone could disagree with this
Perhaps you're just supposed to think it and not say it these days |
For me it's the way that opinions are given as facts which are then doubled down on when questioned. |  |
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| I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 19:18 - Dec 28 with 161 views | vilanovablue |
| I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 18:16 - Dec 28 by blueoutlook |
More point scoring. It’s a forum,people are allowed to have different opinions. The guy that runs this site wouldn’t have one if we didn’t have different ideas and views. That’s the whole idea of the site. Everyone is allowed to express themselves on here that how it works on a forum. |
I don't disagree but sometimes people trying to be positive are dismissed as happy clappers. I genuinely tried to be balanced. I also know that everyone's entitled to a view but I'm just calling for more reasonable debate, it's not as black and white, it's football there are shades of grey too. | | | |
| Can you give some examples.... on 19:29 - Dec 28 with 116 views | NthQldITFC |
| Can you give some examples.... on 17:54 - Dec 28 by DJR |
It's not just TWTD.
McAteer got it both barrels on Friday when attacking the away end on Friday.
He played much better in the second half but that was probably because he was not attacking the away end.
The other thing that seems to have changed is that we've generally stopped singing at the end of games, home or away.
I do feel McKenna and presumably the players have sensed a change of mood amongst the fans.
This seems to me a shame.
We'd have settled for a point against a team in Millwall's position two seasons ago but on Saturday the vast majority had left before the players came over. [Post edited 28 Dec 17:58]
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Of course they're aware of it, of course it has a detrimental effect on performances, and I think it's quite a significant effect for some players.It must be bloody horrible, frankly, but certain a-holes in the crowd go ahead and do it anyway, because it's all about them.
We can only hope that KMc and the coaching team and the senior players are able to communicate to the more vulnerable players that this is a society-wide problem, made worse these days by social media feeding frenzies and reflects more on the abuser than the targets of their pathetic vitriol.
It's also made worse by our recent success, paradoxically.
It's sh!t and it's pathetic and it's not support. It's anti-support. |  |
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| I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 19:32 - Dec 28 with 100 views | braveblue |
It’s getting ridiculous. | | | |
| I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 19:34 - Dec 28 with 76 views | braveblue |
| I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 17:39 - Dec 28 by gtsb1966 |
To be fair there are a couple of players who have been poor so far considering the money and pursuing we did. Also the manager has under performed considering the squad he has . The criticism is fair. |
Is 3rd underperforming? | | | |
| Is league position.... on 19:39 - Dec 28 with 60 views | Bloots |
| I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 19:34 - Dec 28 by braveblue |
Is 3rd underperforming? |
....the only way to determine a team's performance?
It determines position, not performance.
In terms of points we are closer to 10th than 2nd. | |
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