| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present 08:21 - Dec 29 with 2457 views | GlasgowBlue |
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| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 11:27 - Dec 29 with 691 views | Plums |
| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 11:24 - Dec 29 by Herbivore |
Farage is saying all the right things? Lolz.
And Thatcher is part of the reason this county is in such a state now, she really wasn't a good PM. |
Indeed. Thatcher created the wreckage of communities that Farage and the rebranded NF/ BNP are now feeding off - that's quite a legacy. |  |
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| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 11:40 - Dec 29 with 665 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 09:38 - Dec 29 by GlasgowBlue |
It beggars belief that it's taken most people 5 minutes to find out that he wants to :
Kill the children and torture the mothers of British police officers
Kill a senior official
Finds killing "colonialists" and "specifically Zionists" heroic
Believes that Police officers aren't human and he wants to kill them all
Supports the random shooting of white males
Admits to being a racist who hates white people
Calls British people dogs and monkeys
Wants to send in drones to Jewish weddings
Admits to being a violent person who wants to kill all Zionists
Supports the killing of Israeli athletes
Believes that violence is acceptable and that the extermination of whites is desirable
Seriously, seriously hates white people, particularly those of British, Dutch and German descent
Bemoaned the fact that Iran's nuclear programme isn't dedicated to the eradication of the white man
Denied that the Holocaust was a genocide as there are still Jewish people left alive
Believes it's a good thing white people aren't breeding
Wants to burn down Downing Street and hunt Police
I've probably left a few choice quotes out but one would hope that the Prime Minister and his Tory predecessors would have done due dillegence on this nasty fellow. |
EDIT: I will leave the original reply below, but I have misunderstood and apologise. Please ignore the below.
How many minutes do you expect it to take people to look up the true meaning behind your post when you don't disclose it?
5 whole minutes beggars belief? Wow!
Of course his comments are disgraceful and, if there is any evidence that he is still promoting those he should be considered very dangerous. His "explanation" of them leaves far too much to be desired. He needs to categorically state that he does not support the things you (now) list and be prosecuted for incitement to terror if he cannot. [Post edited 29 Dec 12:29]
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| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 12:04 - Dec 29 with 623 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 11:40 - Dec 29 by Nthsuffolkblue |
EDIT: I will leave the original reply below, but I have misunderstood and apologise. Please ignore the below.
How many minutes do you expect it to take people to look up the true meaning behind your post when you don't disclose it?
5 whole minutes beggars belief? Wow!
Of course his comments are disgraceful and, if there is any evidence that he is still promoting those he should be considered very dangerous. His "explanation" of them leaves far too much to be desired. He needs to categorically state that he does not support the things you (now) list and be prosecuted for incitement to terror if he cannot. [Post edited 29 Dec 12:29]
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The true meaning behind my post? What haven't I disclosed?
What an odd thing to post. | |
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| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 12:17 - Dec 29 with 593 views | NthQldITFC |
| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 11:02 - Dec 29 by carlisleaway |
How this country is in desperate need of a strong leader, not forthcoming from anyone in the Labour camp……mind you that Green leader is a threat to the country..
Where is the next Churchill or Thatcher when you need them.
Farage is saying all the right things but not sure if he would be any better than Starmer |
Thatcher wrecked this country fella, she sold our futures off and now we're reaping the consequences of her actions. |  |
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| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 12:28 - Dec 29 with 557 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 12:04 - Dec 29 by GlasgowBlue |
The true meaning behind my post? What haven't I disclosed?
What an odd thing to post. |
To be fair, GB, I have totally misunderstood your post that I replied to. I took it as you criticising the forum for not being quicker to react. On reflection, the 5 minutes is very obvious really. You are saying the Government could easily have done so had they made any effort to. Of course, how prominent it is on the internet now is going to be massively increased due to his coming here. That doesn't change the fact they should have been aware and the Tweet from Starmer needed to make it clear his views on those things are utterly wrong and need challenging.
My humble apologies, GB. | |
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| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 12:30 - Dec 29 with 543 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
This is an excellent and very clear summary. Perhaps Starmer should be engaging this chap as an advisor. | |
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| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 12:34 - Dec 29 with 535 views | lowhouseblue |
the time to consider his vile views was when the tories awarded him citizenship in 2021. in his circumstances the award was discretionary and could very easily have been refused. his views were then public and the press had previously called out his tweets. it's hard not to think that the reason the award was allowed was because his family, esp aunt, are extremely well connected and know the right people to push his case. |  |
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| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 12:38 - Dec 29 with 527 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 12:34 - Dec 29 by lowhouseblue |
the time to consider his vile views was when the tories awarded him citizenship in 2021. in his circumstances the award was discretionary and could very easily have been refused. his views were then public and the press had previously called out his tweets. it's hard not to think that the reason the award was allowed was because his family, esp aunt, are extremely well connected and know the right people to push his case. |
Clearly answered in points 2 and 3.
As with Shemima Begum, I would rather that he was allowed here and, if there is anything criminal within his tweeting (it looks like there is clear incitement to terror) he should be dealt with through our legal system.
In an ideal world, the subject of all this clearly comes out categorically stating that the views in those comments are completely wrong. If he can't do that, there is something wrong. | |
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| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 12:43 - Dec 29 with 501 views | lowhouseblue |
| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 12:38 - Dec 29 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Clearly answered in points 2 and 3.
As with Shemima Begum, I would rather that he was allowed here and, if there is anything criminal within his tweeting (it looks like there is clear incitement to terror) he should be dealt with through our legal system.
In an ideal world, the subject of all this clearly comes out categorically stating that the views in those comments are completely wrong. If he can't do that, there is something wrong. |
no, point 2 isn't right. he had the right to apply, but it wasn't automatic. it was discretionary in his circumstances.
in terms of point 3 - i agree it shouldn't be revoked, the decision has been made. but, knowing what the tories should have known, it shouldn't have been made in the first place.
the difference from begum is that he was never stateless. | |
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| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 12:54 - Dec 29 with 472 views | Churchman |
| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 12:38 - Dec 29 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Clearly answered in points 2 and 3.
As with Shemima Begum, I would rather that he was allowed here and, if there is anything criminal within his tweeting (it looks like there is clear incitement to terror) he should be dealt with through our legal system.
In an ideal world, the subject of all this clearly comes out categorically stating that the views in those comments are completely wrong. If he can't do that, there is something wrong. |
It doesn’t matter what he says now. People will say literally anything to gain something. He’s expressed his views and he presents a threat. For me it’s really simple. He should be thrown out, deported, exiled, citizenship revoked, I really don’t care how.
As for Starmer’s comments, how thick can you get? However much he supports and is happy for the bloke to return, wouldn’t it have been more sensible to keep his gob shut on this?
For me, citizenship should be a privilege, not a right. Anyone coming out with disgusting stuff like this: out you go. I know that’s hideously simplistic, but it’s how I see it; just a view. |  | | |
| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 13:14 - Dec 29 with 412 views | J2BLUE |
Labour simply have to get the next leader right. We simply cannot allow Farage or Polanski to get into power.
So many parties and not one is fit to run the country. |  |
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| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 13:16 - Dec 29 with 410 views | StokieBlue |
| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 13:14 - Dec 29 by J2BLUE |
Labour simply have to get the next leader right. We simply cannot allow Farage or Polanski to get into power.
So many parties and not one is fit to run the country. |
Not sure a direct comparison of Farage and Polanski is very fair.
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| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 13:22 - Dec 29 with 390 views | lowhouseblue |
| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 13:16 - Dec 29 by StokieBlue |
Not sure a direct comparison of Farage and Polanski is very fair.
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seems pretty spot on to me. just different flavours of shouty populism. someone always used to bring out the galloway two cheeks thing at such points. | |
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| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 13:25 - Dec 29 with 378 views | J2BLUE |
| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 13:16 - Dec 29 by StokieBlue |
Not sure a direct comparison of Farage and Polanski is very fair.
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Both utterly unsuited and would wreck the country.
I fear we will get them both one after the after. Five years of one will make the pendulum swing back wildly to the other. That's why we need Labour to get a grip and bin off Starmer and Reeves 18 months or so before the election.
In my opinion. | |
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| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 13:36 - Dec 29 with 332 views | Herbivore |
| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 13:22 - Dec 29 by lowhouseblue |
seems pretty spot on to me. just different flavours of shouty populism. someone always used to bring out the galloway two cheeks thing at such points. |
And how is being the arsehole in the centre of the two cheeks working out? |  |
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| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 13:53 - Dec 29 with 288 views | DJR |
| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 13:14 - Dec 29 by J2BLUE |
Labour simply have to get the next leader right. We simply cannot allow Farage or Polanski to get into power.
So many parties and not one is fit to run the country. |
In my humble opinion, there is no way that Polanski will get into power.
The same can't be said of Farage. [Post edited 29 Dec 13:54]
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| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 14:00 - Dec 29 with 268 views | lowhouseblue |
| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 13:36 - Dec 29 by Herbivore |
And how is being the arsehole in the centre of the two cheeks working out? |
i wouldn't know - what was the view like as you passed through? | |
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| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 14:15 - Dec 29 with 202 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 12:28 - Dec 29 by Nthsuffolkblue |
To be fair, GB, I have totally misunderstood your post that I replied to. I took it as you criticising the forum for not being quicker to react. On reflection, the 5 minutes is very obvious really. You are saying the Government could easily have done so had they made any effort to. Of course, how prominent it is on the internet now is going to be massively increased due to his coming here. That doesn't change the fact they should have been aware and the Tweet from Starmer needed to make it clear his views on those things are utterly wrong and need challenging.
My humble apologies, GB. |
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| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 14:21 - Dec 29 with 166 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 12:34 - Dec 29 by lowhouseblue |
the time to consider his vile views was when the tories awarded him citizenship in 2021. in his circumstances the award was discretionary and could very easily have been refused. his views were then public and the press had previously called out his tweets. it's hard not to think that the reason the award was allowed was because his family, esp aunt, are extremely well connected and know the right people to push his case. |
I don't believe your first point is correct. Previous to 2019 migrants claiming citizenship through their mother’s bloodline would be subject to the “good character” test. However, this was contested by somebody else under the ECHR and the law was amended. | |
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| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 14:24 - Dec 29 with 156 views | lowhouseblue |
| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 14:21 - Dec 29 by GlasgowBlue |
I don't believe your first point is correct. Previous to 2019 migrants claiming citizenship through their mother’s bloodline would be subject to the “good character” test. However, this was contested by somebody else under the ECHR and the law was amended. |
i think it's still depends on birth date. the home office app says that if you're born in 1981, your mother is a british citizen other than by decent, your father is not a uk british citizen, and you're born abroad, then citizenship is not automatic. that's the current home office answer. | |
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| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 14:25 - Dec 29 with 149 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 14:24 - Dec 29 by lowhouseblue |
i think it's still depends on birth date. the home office app says that if you're born in 1981, your mother is a british citizen other than by decent, your father is not a uk british citizen, and you're born abroad, then citizenship is not automatic. that's the current home office answer. |
Fair enuff | |
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| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 14:32 - Dec 29 with 104 views | StokieBlue |
| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 13:25 - Dec 29 by J2BLUE |
Both utterly unsuited and would wreck the country.
I fear we will get them both one after the after. Five years of one will make the pendulum swing back wildly to the other. That's why we need Labour to get a grip and bin off Starmer and Reeves 18 months or so before the election.
In my opinion. |
Aren't many of his economic policies in line with what you've posted on here?
- Wealth tax
- Tax on billionaires
- Rent controls
- Renationalisation of water companies (and likely gas companies)
- Halt inflation related energy bills
- UBI trials
- Increased housebuilding on brownfield sites
Obviously that is a lot to find funds for but not a million miles away from a lot of your economic posts if I recall correctly.
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| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 15:02 - Dec 29 with 52 views | J2BLUE |
| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 14:32 - Dec 29 by StokieBlue |
Aren't many of his economic policies in line with what you've posted on here?
- Wealth tax
- Tax on billionaires
- Rent controls
- Renationalisation of water companies (and likely gas companies)
- Halt inflation related energy bills
- UBI trials
- Increased housebuilding on brownfield sites
Obviously that is a lot to find funds for but not a million miles away from a lot of your economic posts if I recall correctly.
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Yep, a lot of it sounds good but if you read their manifesto from 2024 they promise money for everything. No idea how they would fund it and doubt they have any idea themselves.
There's far too much wishful thinking. His migration reforms would encourage many more crossings. He wants to scrap nuclear energy as we're investing billions in new power plants. He wants to keep 30% of the land in the UK for nature...which is a nice idea but seems unlikely especially when we have a housing crisis and he would encourage even more immigration.
He wants to immediately dismantle our nuclear weapons. It would be perfectly logical to say if we needed to use them it's already gone too far but they are a deterrent and Ukraine has shown us that full scale war can break out. He wants to (eventually) leave NATO and wants to decrease military spending. The UK, outside of NATO and the EU, with no nukes and reduced military spending sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. But then again, he is going to talk nicely with Putin and have him pinky swear that they are besties and all is good.
To be fair, there is plenty they could evolve their positions on which would make me reconsider but I just don't see how they could fund even half of what they are promising. | |
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