| Cuba 15:52 - Jan 11 with 1506 views | LeoMuff |
Why is Trump threatening them now ? guy is a maniac |  |
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| Cuba on 16:21 - Jan 11 with 1405 views | Whos_blue |
Keeps the Epstein files out of the news I guess. |  |
| Distortion becomes somehow pure in its wildness. |
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| Cuba on 18:07 - Jan 11 with 1262 views | brazil1982 |
There are rumblings of Chinese influence, certainly there were plans for arms delivery to Venezuala, plus possible strategic missile sites in preparation before the event of the China invasion of Taiwan. Trump doesnt want China anywhere near the US coast. It's not all about oil and drug cartels. |  | | |
| Cuba on 18:33 - Jan 11 with 1203 views | LeoMuff |
| Cuba on 18:07 - Jan 11 by brazil1982 |
There are rumblings of Chinese influence, certainly there were plans for arms delivery to Venezuala, plus possible strategic missile sites in preparation before the event of the China invasion of Taiwan. Trump doesnt want China anywhere near the US coast. It's not all about oil and drug cartels. |
Incredible that he thinks he can stop independent countries dealing with other nations | |
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| Cuba on 19:15 - Jan 11 with 1106 views | PhilsAngels |
Because like Venezuela they side with the Russians and Trump does not like anyone close to the USofA who sides with the opposition.
Remember the Cuban missile crisis. |  | | |
| Cuba on 19:16 - Jan 11 with 1101 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Cuba on 19:15 - Jan 11 by PhilsAngels |
Because like Venezuela they side with the Russians and Trump does not like anyone close to the USofA who sides with the opposition.
Remember the Cuban missile crisis. |
But Trump sides with the Russians? | | | |
| Cuba on 19:33 - Jan 11 with 1062 views | LeoMuff |
| Cuba on 19:16 - Jan 11 by redrickstuhaart |
But Trump sides with the Russians? |
Also have plenty of military hardware in close proximity to China | |
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| Cuba on 19:44 - Jan 11 with 1021 views | eirannach_gorm |
He is still on a high after the elimination of the Cuban military personell guarding the Venezuelan president. | | | |
| Cuba on 19:46 - Jan 11 with 1015 views | Churchman |
Simple: might is right. It’s all that matters. If somebody has something you want or you don’t like the look of ‘em, you take it and them. Give me a reason in Trump-world why you shouldn’t? |  | | |
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| Cuba on 20:09 - Jan 11 with 952 views | pointofblue |
| Cuba on 19:16 - Jan 11 by redrickstuhaart |
But Trump sides with the Russians? |
As long as Russia sticks to invading their own neighours. | |
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| Cuba on 20:34 - Jan 11 with 901 views | brogansnose |
A, Because he can do it with little inpunity.
B, the USA historically has always had a 'thing' about Cuba.
C, Cuba is weak and it's allies can't help it out as they could before.
D, Jared Kushner can develop it's real estate keeping things in the Trump family sphere. |  | | |
| Cuba on 20:42 - Jan 11 with 859 views | MattinLondon |
Cuba has been a thorn in various US Presidents sides for a long time.
If he gets rid of the Communist regime and replaces it with democracy then he’ll think of himself as the greatest ever US President - or there’s shedload of cash to be made there. And, who will really fight for Cuba? |  | | |
| Cuba on 20:45 - Jan 11 with 846 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Cuba on 19:16 - Jan 11 by redrickstuhaart |
But Trump sides with the Russians? |
Only when he’s talking about the balance of power in Eastern Europe/west Asia. He wants a strong(ish) Russia to keep the EU in check, so that ultimately no power becomes dominant enough that it can challenge the US. The fact that nobody in Europe is in the slightest bit interested in conquering the US won’t occur to him, because he only thinks like a bully.
That’s my simplistic take on it anyway. There is a strategy behind it all, even if that strategy is based on a code lacking morality and decency. His National Security Strategy makes for fascinating, if scary reading. A quick overview here if you haven’t seen it - https://www.thenerve.news/p/us |  |
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| Cuba on 21:14 - Jan 11 with 800 views | Coastalblue |
| Cuba on 20:42 - Jan 11 by MattinLondon |
Cuba has been a thorn in various US Presidents sides for a long time.
If he gets rid of the Communist regime and replaces it with democracy then he’ll think of himself as the greatest ever US President - or there’s shedload of cash to be made there. And, who will really fight for Cuba? |
If Trump gets a democracy in place in Cuba wouldn't that be the greatest of ironies? |  |
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| Cuba on 21:17 - Jan 11 with 796 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Cuba on 21:14 - Jan 11 by Coastalblue |
If Trump gets a democracy in place in Cuba wouldn't that be the greatest of ironies? |
Wont happen.
Lets bear in mind that amidst all of the excuses and comments he and his folks have made on Venezuela, not one of them mentioned democracy, and no one is even hinting at elections. | | | |
| Cuba on 23:03 - Jan 11 with 671 views | LeoMuff |
| Cuba on 21:17 - Jan 11 by redrickstuhaart |
Wont happen.
Lets bear in mind that amidst all of the excuses and comments he and his folks have made on Venezuela, not one of them mentioned democracy, and no one is even hinting at elections. |
Apparently they’re not in the right place for elections at the moment.
Scary thing is that this sort of stuff is making him bolder | |
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| Cuba on 01:14 - Jan 12 with 613 views | urbanpenguin |
Because he is desperate for all the very well documented reasons, and in times of desperation we revert to type. The US revertion to type is Cuba, it's a handy enemy as it carries tropes that work for right-leaning and right-wing presidents.
But the Venezuela thing was arguable about Cuba, so this new thing isn't random. Most of Cuba's power comes from Venezuela's oil, and so a useful by-product of illegaly invading Venezuela and kidnapping the president is that it would bend Cuba to its knees. it was calculated, cynical, and fascist. |  | | |
| Cuba on 03:17 - Jan 12 with 581 views | Ryorry |
| Cuba on 23:03 - Jan 11 by LeoMuff |
Apparently they’re not in the right place for elections at the moment.
Scary thing is that this sort of stuff is making him bolder |
His playing at shifting the world order as if it were some sort of experimental equivalent to FM 2026 is what’s scariest … |  |
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| Cuba on 07:12 - Jan 12 with 479 views | PhilsAngels |
| Cuba on 19:16 - Jan 11 by redrickstuhaart |
But Trump sides with the Russians? |
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer | | | |
| Cuba on 11:06 - Jan 12 with 323 views | ZapatasMoustache |
| Cuba on 18:07 - Jan 11 by brazil1982 |
There are rumblings of Chinese influence, certainly there were plans for arms delivery to Venezuala, plus possible strategic missile sites in preparation before the event of the China invasion of Taiwan. Trump doesnt want China anywhere near the US coast. It's not all about oil and drug cartels. |
I think Rubio (as well as people like Lindsey Graham and the murderous ghoul Elliott Abrams) are the ones pushing on Cuba. But Trump likes an easy win and Cuba isn’t like Venezuela for three reasons (off the top of my head);
1) no oil to dangle in front of potential investors - the only real money here is in tourism and though they could clearly make a fortune turning it into a Caribbean Tenerife, that would take time
2) the government and apparatus is much more solid/less factional (esp with Raul still around) - particularly on the idea of a ‘deal’ with the US. Only two years ago the opened a (pretty good) museum/memorial detailing US atrocities/sanctions etc
3) the population/military are set up for guerrilla resistance, and aside from special ops, Trump/many of his allies seem nervous about boots on the ground.
I’m there at the moment for work and the economic situation has never been worse - I suspect Trump is simply going to go for a strangulation approach. It’s the most cruel and inhumane, but since when has that bothered him.
Who really knows though? |  | | |
| Cuba on 11:54 - Jan 12 with 256 views | Ryorry |
| Cuba on 03:17 - Jan 12 by Ryorry |
His playing at shifting the world order as if it were some sort of experimental equivalent to FM 2026 is what’s scariest … |
'Abuse' - to players of FM?  (presumably an accidental reporting?). | |
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| Cuba on 12:18 - Jan 12 with 217 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Heard he got food poisoning on a Jet2 holiday to Varadero…
My take is people are thinking too much into this, and as with Venezuela taking Trump’s comments too literally. Could easily be down to a chance to remove two adversaries.
- US have not invaded Venezuela, they removed a leader (effectively in a coup). There’s no occupation.
- The Maduro regime and security services maintain status quo control.
- US has limited influence on the ground, so imagine only threats of military action is their only way of exerting any influence.
- Control of seaways and ability now to cut off Cuba’s oil supplies has opened up opportunity to weaken the regime there.
- Cannot believe for a moment the US govt didn’t know there’s no profit to be made in Venezuelan oil at current or projected prices. Nor that bringing more on stream would undermine their domestic industry which is barely viable at current prices.
- Given the lack of (US) control on the ground it’s extremely likely the US will lose interest and move onto the next thing (note how quickly they lost interest in ending the Ukraine war).
- All of the above suggests to me a lot of impulsiveness and opportunism at play. [Post edited 12 Jan 12:21]
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