| The King should NOT go to the US 19:08 - Jan 11 with 1669 views | BlueNomad |
Independence celebrations although he has been invited.
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| The King should NOT go to the US on 19:11 - Jan 11 with 1419 views | J2BLUE |
What's to discuss? Why would he go in the current situation?
Edit: I see he does actually look likely to go. Madness. Should claim ill health and avoid it. [Post edited 11 Jan 19:15]
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| The King should NOT go to the US on 19:11 - Jan 11 with 1414 views | PhilsAngels |
Send Harry instead |  | | |
| The King should NOT go to the US on 19:13 - Jan 11 with 1405 views | Churchman |
Absolutely not. |  | | |
| The King should NOT go to the US on 20:21 - Jan 11 with 1269 views | eirannach_gorm |
| The King should NOT go to the US on 19:11 - Jan 11 by PhilsAngels |
Send Harry instead |
I would have thought his fellow Epstein pal, Andrew, would be more appropriate. | | | |
| The King should NOT go to the US on 20:29 - Jan 11 with 1247 views | belgablue |
Revolting isn't it |  |
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| The King should NOT go to the US on 20:46 - Jan 11 with 1176 views | bsw72 |
| The King should NOT go to the US on 19:11 - Jan 11 by J2BLUE |
What's to discuss? Why would he go in the current situation?
Edit: I see he does actually look likely to go. Madness. Should claim ill health and avoid it. [Post edited 11 Jan 19:15]
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From a moral aspect he should def not go but . . .
. . . the dependence we have on the USA cannot be ignored or risked, especially around security and military technology. No matter how abhorrent it may be we have to maintain the relationship, especially in the current tone of global strife.
We’re stuffed unfortunately. |  | | |
| The King should NOT go to the US on 20:50 - Jan 11 with 1155 views | Swansea_Blue |
Difficult one. Morally it’s questionable to be dealing with Trump, but it is on expenses and we’re still tightly intertwined with the US in many areas. I’d say go and work on building bridges generally irrespective of Trump. I can see why people would say no though. |  |
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| The King should NOT go to the US on 21:00 - Jan 11 with 1128 views | Plums |
| The King should NOT go to the US on 20:46 - Jan 11 by bsw72 |
From a moral aspect he should def not go but . . .
. . . the dependence we have on the USA cannot be ignored or risked, especially around security and military technology. No matter how abhorrent it may be we have to maintain the relationship, especially in the current tone of global strife.
We’re stuffed unfortunately. |
All the narrative about Trump suggests he is an admirer of perceived strength which is why he likes Putin and Orban. We should grow some Great British balls and give him a red line or two.
It's time to stop bending gently in front of the bully because sooner or later, he's going to get hold of our neck and flush. |  |
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| The King should NOT go to the US on 21:09 - Jan 11 with 1103 views | baxterbasics |
Of course he should.
Rather naïve to pretend there is even a discussion to be had. |  |
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| The King should NOT go to the US on 21:18 - Jan 11 with 1065 views | redrickstuhaart |
| The King should NOT go to the US on 21:09 - Jan 11 by baxterbasics |
Of course he should.
Rather naïve to pretend there is even a discussion to be had. |
Why would you appease a hostile nation threatening our friends? | | | |
| The King should NOT go to the US on 22:03 - Jan 11 with 968 views | BlueNomad |
| The King should NOT go to the US on 21:18 - Jan 11 by redrickstuhaart |
Why would you appease a hostile nation threatening our friends? |
They seized our airfields in 1776 too………
In the Trump history book. | | | |
| The King should NOT go to the US on 22:06 - Jan 11 with 957 views | Edmundo |
| The King should NOT go to the US on 21:18 - Jan 11 by redrickstuhaart |
Why would you appease a hostile nation threatening our friends? |
Ultimately Trump is gone in less than 3 years, so however abhorrent the idea (and I taste sick in my mouth just thinking about it), this is about UK-US relations, NOT all about the Mango Mussolini |  |
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| The King should NOT go to the US on 22:13 - Jan 11 with 946 views | Radlett_blue |
| The King should NOT go to the US on 21:09 - Jan 11 by baxterbasics |
Of course he should.
Rather naïve to pretend there is even a discussion to be had. |
And also naive to pretend that the monarch himself makes the decision whether to attend or not. |  |
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| The King should NOT go to the US on 22:24 - Jan 11 with 926 views | BlueNomad |
| The King should NOT go to the US on 22:13 - Jan 11 by Radlett_blue |
And also naive to pretend that the monarch himself makes the decision whether to attend or not. |
I know it’s the government’s decision and that Trump won’t be there forever but we (meaning Europe, Canada, Japan et al) need to send the US a powerful message at this time. | | | |
| The King should NOT go to the US on 22:34 - Jan 11 with 895 views | Pendejo |
Charles takes Andrew with him hands him over to FBI sayings he's got evidence against Trump, has Trump impeached and makes America Great Britain Again
Now that'd be some 250 celebration |  |
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| The King should NOT go to the US on 23:27 - Jan 11 with 775 views | Guthrum |
Depends if he is going over to reclaim the place. |  |
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| The King should NOT go to the US on 23:28 - Jan 11 with 766 views | lowhouseblue |
if he doesn't go trump can just send special forces to "collect" him. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| The King should NOT go to the US on 00:01 - Jan 12 with 707 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| The King should NOT go to the US on 23:28 - Jan 11 by lowhouseblue |
if he doesn't go trump can just send special forces to "collect" him. |
I do wonder what would happen if a government sent forces in to collect Trump and put him on trial in their own country. I am sure it won't happen but it would be hugely ironic if they did. |  |
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| The King should NOT go to the US on 09:04 - Jan 12 with 525 views | Radlett_blue |
| The King should NOT go to the US on 22:24 - Jan 11 by BlueNomad |
I know it’s the government’s decision and that Trump won’t be there forever but we (meaning Europe, Canada, Japan et al) need to send the US a powerful message at this time. |
The bigger question for Europe is the de facto break up of NATO. Trump is unlikely to support Europe in a conflict with Russia, unless he perceives there's something in it for him.
Europe is a completely disjointed collection of countries so they have needed NATO & Uncle Sam as a protector against Russia. This fell by the wayside after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Europe needs to protect itself & cutting off their main ally would be a hugely risky move. | |
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| The King should NOT go to the US on 09:29 - Jan 12 with 488 views | BlueNomad |
| The King should NOT go to the US on 09:04 - Jan 12 by Radlett_blue |
The bigger question for Europe is the de facto break up of NATO. Trump is unlikely to support Europe in a conflict with Russia, unless he perceives there's something in it for him.
Europe is a completely disjointed collection of countries so they have needed NATO & Uncle Sam as a protector against Russia. This fell by the wayside after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Europe needs to protect itself & cutting off their main ally would be a hugely risky move. |
It would be extremely risky but, as you also said, Trump is unlikely to support Europe against Russia. The big question is, can we rely on the US? Possibly not. I think most countries in Europe have that concern. | | | |
| The King should NOT go to the US on 11:27 - Jan 12 with 415 views | Radlett_blue |
| The King should NOT go to the US on 09:29 - Jan 12 by BlueNomad |
It would be extremely risky but, as you also said, Trump is unlikely to support Europe against Russia. The big question is, can we rely on the US? Possibly not. I think most countries in Europe have that concern. |
Agreed and Russia's nearest neighbours (Poland, Finland & the Baltic republics) have been upping their defence expenditure considerably, as they know they can't rely on the rest of Europe, let alone America, to come to their aid. | |
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| The King should NOT go to the US on 11:41 - Jan 12 with 385 views | WeWereZombies |
| The King should NOT go to the US on 09:04 - Jan 12 by Radlett_blue |
The bigger question for Europe is the de facto break up of NATO. Trump is unlikely to support Europe in a conflict with Russia, unless he perceives there's something in it for him.
Europe is a completely disjointed collection of countries so they have needed NATO & Uncle Sam as a protector against Russia. This fell by the wayside after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Europe needs to protect itself & cutting off their main ally would be a hugely risky move. |
We also need arrangements to support Canad and Japan if the increased maritime mobility in the Arctic opens those nations up to severe incursions by Russia (or China and North Korea.) Getting, and keeping, Commonwealth nations such as India onside to add a strength in numbers. |  |
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| The King should NOT go to the US on 11:51 - Jan 12 with 368 views | Radlett_blue |
| The King should NOT go to the US on 11:41 - Jan 12 by WeWereZombies |
We also need arrangements to support Canad and Japan if the increased maritime mobility in the Arctic opens those nations up to severe incursions by Russia (or China and North Korea.) Getting, and keeping, Commonwealth nations such as India onside to add a strength in numbers. |
Japan is and has been allied to the US for a long time & this will continue as they have a common enemy in China. It's not up to Britain to try to act as some sort of global policeman - those days are long gone.
Trump's bellicose and erratic foreign policy has upset a few apple carts & he seems largely interested in bolstering the US as the champion of the Americas, while China is the up and coming superpower. Russia is a useful counterweight in what has become a 3 handed game. Divided Europe is left as a bystander. | |
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| The King should NOT go to the US on 12:03 - Jan 12 with 350 views | WeWereZombies |
| The King should NOT go to the US on 11:51 - Jan 12 by Radlett_blue |
Japan is and has been allied to the US for a long time & this will continue as they have a common enemy in China. It's not up to Britain to try to act as some sort of global policeman - those days are long gone.
Trump's bellicose and erratic foreign policy has upset a few apple carts & he seems largely interested in bolstering the US as the champion of the Americas, while China is the up and coming superpower. Russia is a useful counterweight in what has become a 3 handed game. Divided Europe is left as a bystander. |
I wasn't suggesting 'Team UK: World Police', I want to see continuing mutual aid and cooperation. As for Japan being a long standing ally of the United States - only as long as it suits them. Don't forget that Japan has, so far, been the only nation to suffer atomic bombs and that it was the United States that committed that act. They were under United States overt control for seven years before the Treaty of San Francisco gave them their sovereignty back. There is an understandable underlying resentment towards the United States as far as I could tell from my month in Japan. | |
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