| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out 11:48 - Jan 15 with 3475 views | urbanblue |
Any of you, like me, who have dual Citizenship and want to enter the UK cannot now enter on your foreign Passport as you could previously. This means that even those born in the UK who have moved abroad, and don't hold a British Passport will need one, or an extremely expensive Certificate of Entitlement to enter.
Boring post maybe for a lot of people but if this prevents even one of you being caught out it's worth it. I only found out when someone told me today
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| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 23:04 - Jan 16 with 527 views | ClareBlue |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 22:55 - Jan 16 by BlueStreak |
Timely thread this as I’ve just applied for an Irish passport for the first time. Was born in NI so want to get one. My UK passport runs out in July and was wondering whether to even bother renewing it, but I may as well right? |
I would strongly advise you to. All of us have both. Being NI born it's not a problem what so ever in getting both. Other non Irish born have to go on register of foreign births which costs you and there it can take up to a year to administrate it all. GFA gives you the choice of either or both by right of birth. Good position to be in. |  | | |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 01:07 - Jan 17 with 481 views | Blaggers12 |
Hang on. I'm Canadian, but have lived in the UK since I was 13, so for 40 years. Have a NI number, vote in elections, went to Uni here, married to a Brit, daughter born in this country, mum was British. Have had a Cert of Entitlement and ILR in previous passports, and have always come and gone without issue on my CDN passport - so is that about to change? |  |
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| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 02:34 - Jan 17 with 463 views | urbanblue |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 01:07 - Jan 17 by Blaggers12 |
Hang on. I'm Canadian, but have lived in the UK since I was 13, so for 40 years. Have a NI number, vote in elections, went to Uni here, married to a Brit, daughter born in this country, mum was British. Have had a Cert of Entitlement and ILR in previous passports, and have always come and gone without issue on my CDN passport - so is that about to change? |
Yes, looks like it. You'll need a British Passport or Certificate of Entitlement to get back in.
Since posting the OP there has lots of discussion online and, it seems, lots of confusion.
Original 10 pound poms and their children who emigrated here in the 60's and have never had a UK passport now have to get one. Many are elderly and just don't know how to go about it.
The biggest confusion seems to surround children of British expats born here in Australia. My understanding has always been that you have to apply for British Citizenship for them by getting a passport but many are saying that the child is automatically a British Cutizen by parentage. Those with imminent trips to the UK don't know what to do ...
Although I quite understand the need for a British Passport to enter the UK for it's citizens which many other countries (including Australia) require, the total panic seems to be that it's being enforced at such short notice leaving many people racing against the clock to get their paperwork in order before imminent travel.
Thiere appear to be grey areas and the one concerning Australian born kids to dual ctizens I can't seem to find a definitive answer to ... [Post edited 17 Jan 4:12]
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| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 07:43 - Jan 17 with 390 views | DJR |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 23:35 - Jan 15 by acj |
On your last point, I’m a British citizen but wasn’t born in the UK. I’m not a dual citizen, but would imagine there are loads who have British citizenship from their parents but were born overseas - are they unaffected by this? |
This indicates to me that the rules are a complete nonsense.
If we take Australia, there will be British citizens without a British passport but with an Australian passport, some of whom will have been born in the UK, and some of whom will have acquired British citizenship by descent.
Those caught by the new rules will presumably be only those whose Australian passport states they are born in the UK because an airline will not be put on notice that the holder might be a British citizen if their passport states they are born in Australia. In any event, as the Home Office wrote to my parents 50 odd years ago "the acquisition of British citizenship is a matter of law", and that is not something that an airline or a border official is qualified to determine.
Indeed, had my parents not returned to the UK from Canada, I might never have got a British passport, and had I travelled to the UK on a Canadian passport, the authorities here would have been none the wiser.
Finally, I am not sure what the solution is for Australian passport holders born in the UK who don't have British citizenship, given the airline will presumably assume they are British.
[Post edited 17 Jan 8:38]
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| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 07:45 - Jan 17 with 388 views | DJR |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 02:34 - Jan 17 by urbanblue |
Yes, looks like it. You'll need a British Passport or Certificate of Entitlement to get back in.
Since posting the OP there has lots of discussion online and, it seems, lots of confusion.
Original 10 pound poms and their children who emigrated here in the 60's and have never had a UK passport now have to get one. Many are elderly and just don't know how to go about it.
The biggest confusion seems to surround children of British expats born here in Australia. My understanding has always been that you have to apply for British Citizenship for them by getting a passport but many are saying that the child is automatically a British Cutizen by parentage. Those with imminent trips to the UK don't know what to do ...
Although I quite understand the need for a British Passport to enter the UK for it's citizens which many other countries (including Australia) require, the total panic seems to be that it's being enforced at such short notice leaving many people racing against the clock to get their paperwork in order before imminent travel.
Thiere appear to be grey areas and the one concerning Australian born kids to dual ctizens I can't seem to find a definitive answer to ... [Post edited 17 Jan 4:12]
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See what I have just written, which is in response to an earlier post. | | | |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 07:47 - Jan 17 with 386 views | DJR |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 01:07 - Jan 17 by Blaggers12 |
Hang on. I'm Canadian, but have lived in the UK since I was 13, so for 40 years. Have a NI number, vote in elections, went to Uni here, married to a Brit, daughter born in this country, mum was British. Have had a Cert of Entitlement and ILR in previous passports, and have always come and gone without issue on my CDN passport - so is that about to change? |
It doesn't seem to be the case because your Canadian passport won't say you are born in the UK. | | | |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 09:23 - Jan 17 with 358 views | Meadowlark |
I stopped reading after the first sentence used the word "gotten!" |  | | |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 12:24 - Jan 23 with 210 views | DJR |
I met a friend from Paris yesterday. He has a British passport and a French passport.
A couple of months ago he was on holiday in the Far East with only his French passport because he had flown from Paris.
Whilst there, his dad in London died and he flew directly back to London.
Had this happened after the new rules, it seems to me that he might have had difficulties getting on a plane back because his French passport states he was born in the UK.
As I have said earlier in this thread, I don't understand the rationale for the rules, and am not sure they stand up to closer inspection. [Post edited 23 Jan 12:25]
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| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 13:00 - Jan 23 with 194 views | itfc_bucks |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 21:25 - Jan 15 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
No dual British Citizen can or should use ETA to try enter the UK.
That would be as crazy as a dual American citizen use ESTA just because they haven't kept up with renewing their passport.
Brits in Aus may as well give their British citizenship up if they consider themselves Australian and want to use ETA.
I never know why anyone wouldn't keep up with their travel documents, let alone expats, pretty important. |
Sorry, the idea of an American owning a passport has just made me giggle a little bit. | |
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| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 13:56 - Jan 23 with 166 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 09:23 - Jan 17 by Meadowlark |
I stopped reading after the first sentence used the word "gotten!" |
It is the older, and arguably could be considered the more formal, form of the verb.
Shakespeare would have gotten what they intended to mean.
In British English such archaisms are largely, but not completely, gone but not forgotten.
As this thread is about residual national identity, and this reply is about archaisms in American English, it gives me an opportunity to post this intriguing video of Americans in an isolated, fairly in-bred, island community who speak a form of 17th Century English with a hybrid English accent: | | | |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 14:38 - Jan 23 with 148 views | thecheek |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 13:32 - Jan 15 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
If you hold two passports you should always enter and exit the country that you’re a citizen of with that passport, it’s common sense. Why would you enter as a visitor when you’re a citizen? It’s law to do so plenty of places.
Pretty easy to renew you passport from abroad, in fact my UK one took under a month including shipping, which was rather impressive. |
I usually travel with 2 passports (British and Hungarian) which gives me a choice of which queue to join at passport control if one is particularly bad! |  | | |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 15:05 - Jan 23 with 122 views | noggin |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 13:00 - Jan 23 by itfc_bucks |
Sorry, the idea of an American owning a passport has just made me giggle a little bit. |
They have amazing passports, the greatest passports the world has ever seen, thanks to Trump. |  |
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