| How to approach caravanists and camper w@nkers? 05:56 - Jan 19 with 2751 views | bluelagos |
Sat in a long line of car drivers stuck behind a caravan for 15 mins earlier doing at least 20 under the limit. Lovely twisties too.
When the caravanist eventually pulled over I didn't know whether to give him a thumbs up or some free advice on how to shake coffee beans.
Thoughts from the Twtd hive?
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| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 11:42 - Jan 19 with 520 views | itfc_bucks |
| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 07:17 - Jan 19 by WeWereZombies |
How dare you call my post lazy nonsense. You don't have to suffer damnable stupidity every time you drive out. Think before you post. Think before you travel.
That is all. |
His point was that he does think before he travels.
As, as a Camper owner, do I.
We bring a phenomenal amount of tourism revenue to areas like Skye (though I prefer Cumbria/Snowdonia). Without that revenue, these areas would struggle significantly more so.
Blaming campers for the occasional poor behaviour of some is right up there with lazy "yoof of today" nonsense.
But anyway, as you all were... |  |
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| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 11:45 - Jan 19 with 511 views | mellowblue |
| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 10:19 - Jan 19 by Tonytown |
Another nonsense post.
The owner of the pub that we stayed at overnight at Castle Douglas was delighted to have 15 people in 8 vans the night we stayed there as we all had a meal and plenty of drinks, plus had breakfast the following morning before setting off.
There were 2 other customers in there that evening by the way.
If you are representative of the people on Skye and the Highlands, I’ll give that area and miss and spend my cash in another part of the country instead.
It’s easier to put you on the div list I think [Post edited 19 Jan 10:30]
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Over-tourism is a curse to many places. Fact. | | | |
| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 11:49 - Jan 19 with 495 views | WeWereZombies |
| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 11:42 - Jan 19 by itfc_bucks |
His point was that he does think before he travels.
As, as a Camper owner, do I.
We bring a phenomenal amount of tourism revenue to areas like Skye (though I prefer Cumbria/Snowdonia). Without that revenue, these areas would struggle significantly more so.
Blaming campers for the occasional poor behaviour of some is right up there with lazy "yoof of today" nonsense.
But anyway, as you all were... |
See my reply to Glassers, nothing lazy about my viewpoint. I do know what I am talking about, and so do all my neighbours and the wider population of Skye. Whatever gets spent by campervan owners here doesn't pay for the road damage (and is spent in such a way that very little of it reaches the Highland Council anyway.) |  |
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| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 11:51 - Jan 19 with 495 views | bsw72 |
| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 11:36 - Jan 19 by WeWereZombies |
'Single-track roads – these are only wide enough for one vehicle and you will see signs for ‘passing places’. If you observe a vehicle travelling towards you – or the driver behind wants to overtake – pull into a passing place on your left or wait opposite a passing place on your right. Do not park in passing places.'
https://www.safetycameras.gov.
There was a famous case up here of a convoy of Italian campervans travelling so close together that they caused a major obstruction, they were pulled over by the Police. Instead of trying to find loopholes please just do the decent thing. |
Your point? Police advice does not equate to legally enforceable.
As for your last point "Instead of trying to find loopholes", I'm not findling loopholes, I was merely highlighting that your comment about being legally obliged was not true, the law does not support this.
Re "doing the decent thing", this whole thread started with someone asking whether someone doing the decent thing (pulling over in a slow moving vehicle to allow others to pass) should be thanked or abused, and rapidly descended into widespread criticism of those who drive slower vehicles.
As an FYI, I live in the country and having to put up with slow farm traffic, holiday traffic etc, but I also "walk in their shoes" as I have a classic car which will not go above 50 on the flat, and most often will run happily along at 40-45, plus I will trailer my car as needed to different locations further afield. I try wherever possible to allow people to pass but *only* when it is safe to do so, for both myself, my vehicle and other road users.
I would suggest majority (not all of course) of people who moan about slow vehicles, cyclists or other "minority" road users have rarely used those other modes of transport and therefore are only looking at the situation from a single perspective. |  | | |
| How to approach caravanists and camper w@nkers? on 11:51 - Jan 19 with 493 views | KBsSocks |
Education.
That is how to approach inconsiderate road users of all flavours.
I cycle, used to drive a van (and slept in it), and have been all over the UK and other countries.
You should try the Lake District if you think Skye / Ireland / Eastern Europe is bad. In the Lakes it's mostly badly-parked cars.
My Moggy used to do 48 mph downhill with the wind behind it, and I would pull over if more than 5 cars were behind me. On motorways, flash lorrries to let them know they were clear to pull back in.
Cycling I will use pavements if they are clear, which IS illegal, but in the Lakes it helps the flow be maintained, and there aren't too many pavements anyway.
But the number of times I've been clipped on a bicycle - "I only hit you a little bit", a little bit more and I might be dead.
Road users need to be considerate of others.
Jeremy Clarkson should have his eyes poked out and then tongue cut off. With a blunt, serrated knife. The media have a lot to answer for for polarisation of views and me-me-me snap opinions.
(Most of Poland is really good for cycling, but not the NE regions - gets hairy up there. And ofc where there is good cycling infrastructure and a culture of providing for campervans, like France, the road respect is much less self-centred). [Post edited 19 Jan 12:29]
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| How to approach caravanists and camper w@nkers? on 12:01 - Jan 19 with 468 views | KBsSocks |
Oh, and the Knock (Knockengorrach) festival is great - 5* would recommend. | |
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| How to approach caravanists and camper w@nkers? on 12:10 - Jan 19 with 446 views | Tonytown |
| How to approach caravanists and camper w@nkers? on 12:01 - Jan 19 by KBsSocks |
Oh, and the Knock (Knockengorrach) festival is great - 5* would recommend. |
Apart from the midges, they were terrible last year.
It’s a lovely festival in an amazing place. | | | |
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| How to approach caravanists and camper w@nkers? on 12:12 - Jan 19 with 444 views | Meadowlark |
I'm surprised at you Mr Lagos! I always thought you were one of those on here with the least prejudiced views and the least likely to label or put people into categoriesl
I am a motorhome owner myself. I also ride a motorcycle, ride a bicycle, drive a car, walk, use the train, use the bus, and very occasionally these days fly. Not all at the same time.
So, I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume your post is about inconsiderate drivers, rather than drivers of particular vehicles? |  | | |
| How to approach caravanists and camper w@nkers? on 12:29 - Jan 19 with 422 views | leitrimblue |
| How to approach caravanists and camper w@nkers? on 12:01 - Jan 19 by KBsSocks |
Oh, and the Knock (Knockengorrach) festival is great - 5* would recommend. |
http://www.advertiser.ie/mayo/
Not sure, unless yer like a good long mass it looks a tad dry  |  | | |
| How to approach caravanists and camper w@nkers? on 12:37 - Jan 19 with 410 views | soupytwist |
Strong Father Noel Furlong vibes there. |  | | |
| How to approach caravanists and camper w@nkers? on 12:48 - Jan 19 with 389 views | WeWereZombies |
| How to approach caravanists and camper w@nkers? on 11:51 - Jan 19 by KBsSocks |
Education.
That is how to approach inconsiderate road users of all flavours.
I cycle, used to drive a van (and slept in it), and have been all over the UK and other countries.
You should try the Lake District if you think Skye / Ireland / Eastern Europe is bad. In the Lakes it's mostly badly-parked cars.
My Moggy used to do 48 mph downhill with the wind behind it, and I would pull over if more than 5 cars were behind me. On motorways, flash lorrries to let them know they were clear to pull back in.
Cycling I will use pavements if they are clear, which IS illegal, but in the Lakes it helps the flow be maintained, and there aren't too many pavements anyway.
But the number of times I've been clipped on a bicycle - "I only hit you a little bit", a little bit more and I might be dead.
Road users need to be considerate of others.
Jeremy Clarkson should have his eyes poked out and then tongue cut off. With a blunt, serrated knife. The media have a lot to answer for for polarisation of views and me-me-me snap opinions.
(Most of Poland is really good for cycling, but not the NE regions - gets hairy up there. And ofc where there is good cycling infrastructure and a culture of providing for campervans, like France, the road respect is much less self-centred). [Post edited 19 Jan 12:29]
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I've been to the Lake District three times since the pandemic, it has no congestion at all if you compare it to Skye (the second most visited place in Scotland after Edinburgh) but our's is quite a recent thing, started a couple of years before the pandemic. When we had the lockdowns I almost welcomed them, peace returned, nature recovered, but now it is even worse. I seriously think about moving but maybe the craze will pass. I have such a good network of friends and neighbours across the island that I don't really want to, and I am fortunate to live a little bit out of the way.
It is alleged that everything went pear shaped due to some photos that were posted on Instagram, suddenly the 'Fairy Pools', the Old Man of Storr and the Quirang were tick list sights and I know someone who lives in Glen Brittle who is desperate to leave, except it takes almost an hour to drive the six miles out, such is the traffic and it's inability to share the road. A car park was built along there to take the pressure off and prevent vehicles parking on a single track road and now there have been fist fights over parking spaces.
I do know what driving slower and wider vehicles can be like, I've driven RV and a Luton van, but never a tractor. Quite poor of me when you consider who I support. | |
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| How to approach caravanists and camper w@nkers? on 12:48 - Jan 19 with 395 views | leitrimblue |
| How to approach caravanists and camper w@nkers? on 12:37 - Jan 19 by soupytwist |
Strong Father Noel Furlong vibes there. |
Yer, may give it a miss this year | | | |
| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 12:50 - Jan 19 with 385 views | Hugoagogo_Reborn |
| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 10:25 - Jan 19 by leitrimblue |
Yer can barely move around my way in the summer with all the campervans doing the Wild Atlantic Way.
There so popular with the locals, who definitely don't spend all night in the pub giving out about 'Brits in Feck1n Camper Vans'  |
Serves ya right for living in such a beautiful place, ya b*****d!   |  |
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| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 13:09 - Jan 19 with 351 views | Wakh |
| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 06:00 - Jan 19 by WeWereZombies |
We are utterly plagued by them for about nine months of the year on Skye, it's not just their useless driving (and they are legally obliged to pull over and let traffic pass in the Highlands yet they never do) but that they stock up elsewhere and hardly put any money into the local economy. Fair amount of littering is due to them as well. Tax them to the hilt. [Post edited 19 Jan 6:13]
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And emptying their bloody loos in the hedge near me. Disgusting. I appreciate it’s a minority but I relate to what you say. | | | |
| How to approach caravanists and camper w@nkers? on 14:16 - Jan 19 with 299 views | Swansea_Blue |
| How to approach caravanists and camper w@nkers? on 08:00 - Jan 19 by Mookamoo |
Bet you drive an Audi
Its always an Audi |
You’ve spelt BMW wrong |  |
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| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 14:42 - Jan 19 with 257 views | WeWereZombies |
| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 13:09 - Jan 19 by Wakh |
And emptying their bloody loos in the hedge near me. Disgusting. I appreciate it’s a minority but I relate to what you say. |
That is disgusting, we have had problems locally with toilet cassettes being emptied in the loos at the community hall, which has to use a septic tank so the presence of chemical toilet waste has a financial effect and is expressly against the notices posted there, but to just dump the waste in open country is indefensible. | |
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| How to approach caravanists and camper w@nkers? on 15:36 - Jan 19 with 228 views | blueoutlook |
Cyclists are way worse than caravans ! |  | | |
| How to approach caravanists and camper w@nkers? on 15:59 - Jan 19 with 195 views | naa |
| How to approach caravanists and camper w@nkers? on 07:15 - Jan 19 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Save your anger for the cyclists owning the road in front of them. |
Drivers thinking it's OK to be angry at cyclists is one of the reasons so many cyclists are injured on the roads.
If more people cycled the roads and towns would be better not worse. One of the most annoying things about the right wing press is the vilification of cyclists for no apparent reason.
Do some cyclists ride like bellends? Of course, but so do many, many drivers.
Also worth noting that the highway code now recommends cyclists to cycle two abreast when in groups, yet drivers hate that and will happily show their anger at someone following the rules... | | | |
| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 16:48 - Jan 19 with 157 views | DJR |
| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 14:42 - Jan 19 by WeWereZombies |
That is disgusting, we have had problems locally with toilet cassettes being emptied in the loos at the community hall, which has to use a septic tank so the presence of chemical toilet waste has a financial effect and is expressly against the notices posted there, but to just dump the waste in open country is indefensible. |
Do you think that some of the issues you mention are caused by those who rent rather than own a camper van?
I had a camper van once, and my experience of the people who used caravan sites was that they were pretty responsible people. |  | | |
| How to approach caravanists and camper w@nkers? on 17:47 - Jan 19 with 105 views | bluelagos |
| How to approach caravanists and camper w@nkers? on 12:12 - Jan 19 by Meadowlark |
I'm surprised at you Mr Lagos! I always thought you were one of those on here with the least prejudiced views and the least likely to label or put people into categoriesl
I am a motorhome owner myself. I also ride a motorcycle, ride a bicycle, drive a car, walk, use the train, use the bus, and very occasionally these days fly. Not all at the same time.
So, I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume your post is about inconsiderate drivers, rather than drivers of particular vehicles? |
Inconsiderate tourists are a bug bear (yeah, I know the irony)
Other day I hiked 6 miles to a beauty spot, arrived looking forward to a relaxing sandwich, saw about 5 people in the 2 hour slog and as I arrive there are 100s all posing for a photo. Then noticed a car park next to these water falls.
Reminded me of the queue at the top of Snowdon full of people who caught the train ffs. If I could ban one thing, Instagram would be near the top of my list.
Maybe I'm just becoming a grumpy old bastard :-) | |
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| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 19:06 - Jan 19 with 63 views | WeWereZombies |
| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 16:48 - Jan 19 by DJR |
Do you think that some of the issues you mention are caused by those who rent rather than own a camper van?
I had a camper van once, and my experience of the people who used caravan sites was that they were pretty responsible people. |
As I said in an earlier post, there are not many formal camp sites in the Highalnds (and some of the ones that exist are very basic.) So I think it is a mix of renters who don't know how to behave and owners who are confronted by a different environment to the site facilities they are used to. It still boils down to poor preparation (and in wild land poor preparation can leave you fatally exposed) so the onus is always on the driver to find a way of conforming as rapidly as possible.
But as I inferred in another post, it's best to forget the camper van altogether and trust to your own two feet, you will see so much more - even if you do arrive at Mrs. McTavish's Guest House wet through and frozen to the bone. You'll be ready for your salted porridge in the morning, so you will. | |
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| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 19:17 - Jan 19 with 51 views | bluelagos |
| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 19:06 - Jan 19 by WeWereZombies |
As I said in an earlier post, there are not many formal camp sites in the Highalnds (and some of the ones that exist are very basic.) So I think it is a mix of renters who don't know how to behave and owners who are confronted by a different environment to the site facilities they are used to. It still boils down to poor preparation (and in wild land poor preparation can leave you fatally exposed) so the onus is always on the driver to find a way of conforming as rapidly as possible.
But as I inferred in another post, it's best to forget the camper van altogether and trust to your own two feet, you will see so much more - even if you do arrive at Mrs. McTavish's Guest House wet through and frozen to the bone. You'll be ready for your salted porridge in the morning, so you will. |
Doing the coast to coast next Sept with some friends. We are kind of cheating, hiring cottages as a base and doing a car shuttle each day.
Would love to do one where they move yer luggage and you stay at B&Bs....checked packhorse and Macpack and it's 3k on a single basis. Our way is £750 (plus the petrol) - shame am too old to carry all me gear and camp...
Kids, don't wait til youse an old fart like I did... | |
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| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 19:24 - Jan 19 with 40 views | DJR |
| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 19:06 - Jan 19 by WeWereZombies |
As I said in an earlier post, there are not many formal camp sites in the Highalnds (and some of the ones that exist are very basic.) So I think it is a mix of renters who don't know how to behave and owners who are confronted by a different environment to the site facilities they are used to. It still boils down to poor preparation (and in wild land poor preparation can leave you fatally exposed) so the onus is always on the driver to find a way of conforming as rapidly as possible.
But as I inferred in another post, it's best to forget the camper van altogether and trust to your own two feet, you will see so much more - even if you do arrive at Mrs. McTavish's Guest House wet through and frozen to the bone. You'll be ready for your salted porridge in the morning, so you will. |
Presumably salted porridge made with water, and with a dash of milk and sugar on top, just like my mother made it.
As aside, about 40 years ago, a couple of friends and I did what much of what has in recent years become the rather trendy North Coast 500. We had tents and stayed in campsites, and in those days there wasn't that much in the way of traffic, even in August. [Post edited 19 Jan 19:28]
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