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If Starmer even THINKS about going back to normal relations with Trump after his non-apology about the UK troops, and the sickening, disgusting, downright evil events in Minneapolis today, he can get to feck.
From the footage seen it looks like the executed was stepping in to help a woman who was being manhandled by the Trumpstapo, he was then pepper sprayed not once but TWICE, they all jumped on him, beat him, and then the shots were fired.
He was a nurse.
According to the police chief, the worst thing this guy did was to receive parking tickets.
There's also footage from someone driving past just prior to the shooting and the offensive weapon he is brandishing at that point is a phone.
And even if he did had a gun on him, the photo of a gun that's going around seems mighty clean for being on someone who has been shot multiple times
Enough.
Anyone who provides support be it at government level, all the way down to folk on message boards and social media, to that punt in the White House from this country are as despicable, amoral, inadequate, scared, insecure, pathetic as he is.
To be fair, I also missed that the OP did frame this in the context of whether Starmer cuts ties with the Trump administration (or words to that effect), so in Benters' defence it wasn't a total non sequitor, but the thrust of the thread has obviously focused on the events themselves rather than the original point about a response from Starmer. So it was easy to think it came out of nowhere, which is exactly what I thought when I posted upthread.
Just another attempt to pollute the board with his bigoted ignorance and make things about him as ever.
A few old/ middle-aged blokes on here last night trying to divide people and stir it up on football and general threads it seems.
The gun lobby and "don't tread on me" types seem to have become very confused about this too. A culture that demands the right to bear arms in case of tyranny, now cheerleading, defending and ignoring it because it's been targeted on a city and part of their country they don't know or like much.
Absolutely; it's as plain as day. Of course, there will still be some denying it. But I'm not sure even they believe that any more.
It’s been plain as day ever since the attemptedJanuary 6th coup, everything before that they held plausible deniability- everything after is clear fascist rhetoric.
Frankly, shame on those who denied it and made excuses for them.
The gun lobby and "don't tread on me" types seem to have become very confused about this too. A culture that demands the right to bear arms in case of tyranny, now cheerleading, defending and ignoring it because it's been targeted on a city and part of their country they don't know or like much.
Exactly. I mean, I think the gun culture and basically fetishisation of guns in the US is ridiculous, but if you're going to scream about upholding the Second Amendment, then maybe try reading it and working out why it was written in the first place. Clue, morons: for EXACTLY THIS SORT OF SITUATION.
It’s been plain as day ever since the attemptedJanuary 6th coup, everything before that they held plausible deniability- everything after is clear fascist rhetoric.
Frankly, shame on those who denied it and made excuses for them.
Agreed, no more appeasement. Trump is stupid enough to be the frontman for those in brown shirts who are orchestrating things.
We shouldn’t be sending any senior Royals to celebrate the 250th birthday of what, in the eyes of many, is now a rouge state.
Starmer is unlikely to be remembered as a great socialist but he has a chance to be seen as one of those who stood firm in the face of adversity. Someone who helped to force the USA to change direction.
Agreed, no more appeasement. Trump is stupid enough to be the frontman for those in brown shirts who are orchestrating things.
We shouldn’t be sending any senior Royals to celebrate the 250th birthday of what, in the eyes of many, is now a rouge state.
Starmer is unlikely to be remembered as a great socialist but he has a chance to be seen as one of those who stood firm in the face of adversity. Someone who helped to force the USA to change direction.
A rouge state? Well they've definitely crossed a red line, that's for sure.
Agreed, no more appeasement. Trump is stupid enough to be the frontman for those in brown shirts who are orchestrating things.
We shouldn’t be sending any senior Royals to celebrate the 250th birthday of what, in the eyes of many, is now a rouge state.
Starmer is unlikely to be remembered as a great socialist but he has a chance to be seen as one of those who stood firm in the face of adversity. Someone who helped to force the USA to change direction.
I can’t stand Starmer, he’s let us all down and he and his government have essentially inadvertently done everything they can to pave the way for similar Trump inspired fascist parties to take control of the UK (yes, I’m calling Reform fascists, I’m sure that’ll get plenty of the board twitching, just as it did a few weeks ago when I called Trump and his cabal fascists, but as you say- no more appeasement)
All that being said- I thought Starmer spoke well re- the US/UK alliance/tariffs/Greenland. We need to draw a fork in the road now between the USA’s current culture and values and our own.
I can’t stand Starmer, he’s let us all down and he and his government have essentially inadvertently done everything they can to pave the way for similar Trump inspired fascist parties to take control of the UK (yes, I’m calling Reform fascists, I’m sure that’ll get plenty of the board twitching, just as it did a few weeks ago when I called Trump and his cabal fascists, but as you say- no more appeasement)
All that being said- I thought Starmer spoke well re- the US/UK alliance/tariffs/Greenland. We need to draw a fork in the road now between the USA’s current culture and values and our own.
I don’t regard Reform voters as fascist the majority seem to be misguided, or lacking in intelligence.
The gun lobby and "don't tread on me" types seem to have become very confused about this too. A culture that demands the right to bear arms in case of tyranny, now cheerleading, defending and ignoring it because it's been targeted on a city and part of their country they don't know or like much.
The gun lobby and "don't tread on me" types seem to have become very confused about this too. A culture that demands the right to bear arms in case of tyranny, now cheerleading, defending and ignoring it because it's been targeted on a city and part of their country they don't know or like much.
This is the mess the GOP have got themselves in now in terms of an argument
1. ICE shoving a woman around. 2.Victim steps up to help her 3. His final words are "Are you OK? 4. ICE start manhandling him, pepper spraying him at point blank range at least twice. 5. Wrestled to the ground with four or five ICE on top of him. 6. Another ICE in a grey coat comes over. He has no weapon in his hand. He reaches over the melee as if he's trying to grab something. 7. About a second before the first shot is heard, he turns away and heads away. BUT he now has a weapon in his hand. At no point when he's reaching over does he seem to make any movement consistent with himself drawing a weapon.
So whilst it seems the victim may well have been carrying:
a. He had a licence to do so under Minnesota law. b. He clearly wasn't brandishing it himself before they all jumped on him. c. He had a load of ICE on top of him. And he'd been pepper sprayed 30 seconds before. How was he going to reach his weapon, let alone aim and shoot.
But then....
Someone has slowed that footage down and spotted something else.
Look at how Greycoat moves off before anyone else. It must be before the shot as he's had time to turn around and start moving. Nobody else has reacted.
The complete footage is in the Bluesky link. Look carefully at the street between Greycoats legs. There's what seems to be a black hat there.
Note how the hat moves at the exact moment of the first shot. Note how at the exact same moment the gun is pointing directly at the hat.
Seemingly, whether accidentally, or on purpose to frame them, Greycoat fired into the ground with the victims gun, and then the others panicked, and opened fire.
It is clear that the guy in the grey coat disarms the victim before he was then shot. So we're seeing extra judicial manslaughter by ICE at the very least.
Whether grey coat man discharged the weapon (deliberately or not) is I think inconclusive. Had the weapon been fired I'm pretty sure Trumps goons would have brought this up by now. Perhaps a small point but it's important to question what we read especially when it chimes with our own viewpoint.
For complete clarity this was an abhorrent abuse of power.
You’re correct. Looked like cold blooded murder on the video. Sickening to watch.
And agree with your post.
Just on what Trump said about Afghanistan, although not an apology I was actually shocked to see any acknowledgement from Trump ( his post on truth social ). Assume he had pressure on him from advisors ( who understand how wrong it was ) to provide some sort of response as it’s not usually his style.
You’re correct. Looked like cold blooded murder on the video. Sickening to watch.
And agree with your post.
Just on what Trump said about Afghanistan, although not an apology I was actually shocked to see any acknowledgement from Trump ( his post on truth social ). Assume he had pressure on him from advisors ( who understand how wrong it was ) to provide some sort of response as it’s not usually his style.
It was fragile masculinity in action- there was, what, 8 ICE goons? They couldn’t hold down a guy who had just been maced and beat the cr@p out of, one of the ICE agents decided to kill him and as the body lays still and lifeless they all back away slowly, one ICE agent actually runs away just before/as AP is being executed.
It’s absolutely awful, the final insult for the US administration to try and paint a fictitious series of events that is easily debunked by the multiple video angles of the incident.
This man’s last actions(s) was recording the assault of a woman by ICE agents and offering her support, before trying to protect another women from ICE agents piling on her, after she had just been pushed over with disproportionate force. He stood between her and the agents peacefully, one hand raised, the other on his phone recording. I can’t believe even imagine the pain and injustice his family and friends are feeling.
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