| Interesting 'insight' from the club: 19:19 - Feb 2 with 6389 views | Zx1988 |
Taken from Stuart Watson's EADT piece:
"It's understood that the scouting team, led by new head of recruitment Mick Court, put several possible targets to manager Kieran McKenna but that the Blues boss opted not to pursue many."
Assuming that's come from the Ashton side of things, it feels a rather pointed statement. Definitely not the usual 'collective responsibility' attitude that should prevail in this sort of situation. [Post edited 2 Feb 19:19]
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| Interesting 'insight' from the club: on 19:32 - Feb 2 with 5387 views | FlittonBlue |
You can take a horse to water...
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| Interesting 'insight' from the club: on 19:34 - Feb 2 with 5267 views | Zx1988 |
| Interesting 'insight' from the club: on 19:32 - Feb 2 by FlittonBlue |
You can take a horse to water...
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Stuff like that is fair enough.
It's more the tone of the messaging which essentially reads "I [Mark] identified plenty of targets for Kieran, but he decided he didn't want them. I did my job; don't blame me." | |
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| Interesting 'insight' from the club: on 19:38 - Feb 2 with 5083 views | FlittonBlue |
| Interesting 'insight' from the club: on 19:34 - Feb 2 by Zx1988 |
Stuff like that is fair enough.
It's more the tone of the messaging which essentially reads "I [Mark] identified plenty of targets for Kieran, but he decided he didn't want them. I did my job; don't blame me." |
Probably need Stuart to decipher that seeing as its his reporting, but I understand the negative spin given the transfer dealings this window | | | |
| Interesting 'insight' from the club: on 19:44 - Feb 2 with 4916 views | boysof1981 |
| Interesting 'insight' from the club: on 19:34 - Feb 2 by Zx1988 |
Stuff like that is fair enough.
It's more the tone of the messaging which essentially reads "I [Mark] identified plenty of targets for Kieran, but he decided he didn't want them. I did my job; don't blame me." |
Just awaiting the usual drivel he’ll spout on his interview now the window has closed. Sooner he’s gone the better. | | | |
| Interesting 'insight' from the club: on 19:45 - Feb 2 with 4784 views | darkhorse28 |
| Interesting 'insight' from the club: on 19:32 - Feb 2 by FlittonBlue |
You can take a horse to water...
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It’s the reason we can’t compete financially.
We’ve wasted SO much money on players we don’t want, that aren’t good enough, and we’ll struggle to move on.
If we go up we are committed to big deals for Jens, and Akpom which look extremely poor deals, and we spent a fortune on Walle, McAteer, Sammie, Greaves, Ogbenne who either won’t ever be good enough, or need years to develop.
So many of our fans think it’s a computer game, you just start again.
Every mistake hurts big time in relation to future transfers…, we need to move about six players on at least - up or down and it’s YET ANOTHER rebuild, purely because talent ID has been very poor for four consequative windows now.
Iysckesly not McKennas string point, and I think (sadly) Ashton enjoys it and thinks he’s brilliant at it!
He’s not.
He’s schooled by Sunderland, Leeds, Burnley, Brighton, Bournemouth, Coventry, Middlesbrough, etc etc etc
Even EFL sides get much better value, and long term you end up in the table where these decisions take you relative to others, not relative to whether we were better under Evans - this mistakes don’t mitigate the ones we are making right now. | | | |
| Interesting 'insight' from the club: on 19:48 - Feb 2 with 4704 views | DJR |
I don't interpret that statement negatively.
To me it suggests.
1. Kieran didn't think that a lot of the possible targets would improve the team.
2. He did think that some were worth pursuing.
Let's not start blaming people in what is always a difficult window. |  | | |
| Interesting 'insight' from the club: on 19:52 - Feb 2 with 4549 views | FlittonBlue |
| Interesting 'insight' from the club: on 19:48 - Feb 2 by DJR |
I don't interpret that statement negatively.
To me it suggests.
1. Kieran didn't think that a lot of the possible targets would improve the team.
2. He did think that some were worth pursuing.
Let's not start blaming people in what is always a difficult window. |
Surridge, Piroe and Bamford three that we know about. If the recruiting team gave him a list with 2 dozen or so on it then I would suggest the recruiting team would not be fit for purpose! | | | |
| Interesting 'insight' from the club: on 19:53 - Feb 2 with 4520 views | Zx1988 |
| Interesting 'insight' from the club: on 19:45 - Feb 2 by darkhorse28 |
It’s the reason we can’t compete financially.
We’ve wasted SO much money on players we don’t want, that aren’t good enough, and we’ll struggle to move on.
If we go up we are committed to big deals for Jens, and Akpom which look extremely poor deals, and we spent a fortune on Walle, McAteer, Sammie, Greaves, Ogbenne who either won’t ever be good enough, or need years to develop.
So many of our fans think it’s a computer game, you just start again.
Every mistake hurts big time in relation to future transfers…, we need to move about six players on at least - up or down and it’s YET ANOTHER rebuild, purely because talent ID has been very poor for four consequative windows now.
Iysckesly not McKennas string point, and I think (sadly) Ashton enjoys it and thinks he’s brilliant at it!
He’s not.
He’s schooled by Sunderland, Leeds, Burnley, Brighton, Bournemouth, Coventry, Middlesbrough, etc etc etc
Even EFL sides get much better value, and long term you end up in the table where these decisions take you relative to others, not relative to whether we were better under Evans - this mistakes don’t mitigate the ones we are making right now. |
I don't think Surridge would have been a deal we could have done in any circumstances.
According to this article, Surridge was on just north of $61,000 (£45,000) a week back in the summer - https://www.sixonefivesoccer.c
Assuming we were looking to improve his wage as part of any deal, and Nashville have subsequently offered to double either his starting wage, or the wage offered by ITFC, that would put him on at least £90,000 a week.
Regardless of what we've spent in past windows, and how much of that can be considered 'wasted', a Championship striker on £90k a week was never going to be an option for us. | |
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| Interesting 'insight' from the club: on 19:56 - Feb 2 with 4317 views | FrimleyBlue |
yet we're to believe that KM felt it was a requirement to go and get another winger!
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| Interesting 'insight' from the club: on 19:57 - Feb 2 with 4303 views | keighleyblue |
| Interesting 'insight' from the club: on 19:44 - Feb 2 by boysof1981 |
Just awaiting the usual drivel he’ll spout on his interview now the window has closed. Sooner he’s gone the better. |
WTAF. |  | | |
| Interesting 'insight' from the club: on 20:01 - Feb 2 with 4142 views | chantryblueboy |
A unit in success, McKenna’s on his own in adversity
Mark’s not been on talksport so much lately  | | | |
| Interesting 'insight' from the club: on 20:06 - Feb 2 with 3953 views | GotOurIpswichBack |
Christ - this thread. Utter madness. | | | |
| Interesting 'insight' from the club: on 20:13 - Feb 2 with 3722 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Interesting 'insight' from the club: on 19:34 - Feb 2 by Zx1988 |
Stuff like that is fair enough.
It's more the tone of the messaging which essentially reads "I [Mark] identified plenty of targets for Kieran, but he decided he didn't want them. I did my job; don't blame me." |
How have you got Ashton involved in this? It clearly say's Mick McCourt, and its equally clear McKenna felt the suggestions weren't better than we have.
The only striker worth buying in this window is one that can do it against Premier League defences. Anyone else would be a total waste of money given our aims. |  |
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| Interesting 'insight' from the club: on 20:14 - Feb 2 with 3702 views | jasondozzell |
I'm not surprised by that really. If you go back, there have been a fair few interviews in which Ashton has talked with his usual zeal about player trading but said that there have been times when KM has said to no to deals because he's not convinced.
The impression I have always had is that Ashton and Werhun are a little bit wheeler dealery and probably line up a lot of enquiries with recruitment team.
I don't think KM has ever been that moved by transfers. Yes, he wants to add good players but never for the sake of it. He prefers to work with players, he's not one for demanding replacements at the drop of a hat.
I suspect it causes some tension at times but I think KM is right to do what he thinks.
That line in Stu's article interesting. I was imagining earlier that they probably have agreed that line. Was even picturing KM joking with MA and saying that he'll take any heat in the presser from journos demanding why no more signings.
And by the way, we are getting spoilt. I mean we've taken Mehmeti, another club's best player and Neil, both huge signings at this level, and still people moan! [Post edited 2 Feb 20:17]
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| Interesting 'insight' from the club: on 20:18 - Feb 2 with 3593 views | chantryblueboy |
| Interesting 'insight' from the club: on 20:14 - Feb 2 by jasondozzell |
I'm not surprised by that really. If you go back, there have been a fair few interviews in which Ashton has talked with his usual zeal about player trading but said that there have been times when KM has said to no to deals because he's not convinced.
The impression I have always had is that Ashton and Werhun are a little bit wheeler dealery and probably line up a lot of enquiries with recruitment team.
I don't think KM has ever been that moved by transfers. Yes, he wants to add good players but never for the sake of it. He prefers to work with players, he's not one for demanding replacements at the drop of a hat.
I suspect it causes some tension at times but I think KM is right to do what he thinks.
That line in Stu's article interesting. I was imagining earlier that they probably have agreed that line. Was even picturing KM joking with MA and saying that he'll take any heat in the presser from journos demanding why no more signings.
And by the way, we are getting spoilt. I mean we've taken Mehmeti, another club's best player and Neil, both huge signings at this level, and still people moan! [Post edited 2 Feb 20:17]
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You think McKenna’s signed off on that going to the press? You are deluded | | | |
| Interesting 'insight' from the club: on 20:28 - Feb 2 with 3430 views | jasondozzell |
| Interesting 'insight' from the club: on 20:18 - Feb 2 by chantryblueboy |
You think McKenna’s signed off on that going to the press? You are deluded |
I think he'll say it to the press too! He'll patiently articulate the thinking behind the window only for half our fans to fail to grasp what he's saying. | | | |
| Interesting 'insight' from the club: on 20:29 - Feb 2 with 3385 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Interesting 'insight' from the club: on 19:45 - Feb 2 by darkhorse28 |
It’s the reason we can’t compete financially.
We’ve wasted SO much money on players we don’t want, that aren’t good enough, and we’ll struggle to move on.
If we go up we are committed to big deals for Jens, and Akpom which look extremely poor deals, and we spent a fortune on Walle, McAteer, Sammie, Greaves, Ogbenne who either won’t ever be good enough, or need years to develop.
So many of our fans think it’s a computer game, you just start again.
Every mistake hurts big time in relation to future transfers…, we need to move about six players on at least - up or down and it’s YET ANOTHER rebuild, purely because talent ID has been very poor for four consequative windows now.
Iysckesly not McKennas string point, and I think (sadly) Ashton enjoys it and thinks he’s brilliant at it!
He’s not.
He’s schooled by Sunderland, Leeds, Burnley, Brighton, Bournemouth, Coventry, Middlesbrough, etc etc etc
Even EFL sides get much better value, and long term you end up in the table where these decisions take you relative to others, not relative to whether we were better under Evans - this mistakes don’t mitigate the ones we are making right now. |
There’s nothing wrong with investing in young players. If it wasn’t for our investing in young players last season (Hutch, Delap) we wouldn’t have been able to get the new batch in this year. We only need one to reach their potential and it pays for the lot.
There is a possible valid criticism that the balance between young vs battle hardened Championship players hasn’t been there. Egeli and McAteer have left the right side short, through no fault of their own. But we also have to find the balance in playing them to help them develop. Hitch was eased in and we haven’t had that luxury with Egeli because of Wes’ injury. |  |
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| Interesting 'insight' from the club: on 20:34 - Feb 2 with 3290 views | chantryblueboy |
| Interesting 'insight' from the club: on 20:28 - Feb 2 by jasondozzell |
I think he'll say it to the press too! He'll patiently articulate the thinking behind the window only for half our fans to fail to grasp what he's saying. |
Why bother releasing that statement tonight then? It’s Ashton trying to distance himself from the decision to not get anyone in | | | |
| Interesting 'insight' from the club: on 20:49 - Feb 2 with 3063 views | Garv |
Ashton knows the club is, currently at least, built on McKenna and his management and coaching. He's not going to leak things to deliberately piss the guy off. I don't think McKenna will be too upset by that, he would admit he's not in the game of signing players for the sake of it.
George Hirst, however you think he's played this season, was in the Premier League last season, second choice to Liam Delap, and scored a goal every 167 minutes he played (I think). On paper, we're not likely to get much better. So, would you take a clone of George Hirst just so we could say we've signed someone? I'd assume not.
I wanted a good striker, most people did. I actually think a lot of people have it the wrong way round, though. Most are going after Hirst when Azon is the one seemingly devoid of goals or even goal threat. Hirst is just massively lacking confidence, which could change in a couple of games. I know he needs one to go in but at least he's getting chances. |  |
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| Interesting 'insight' from the club: on 20:59 - Feb 2 with 2937 views | StNeotsBlue |
| Interesting 'insight' from the club: on 20:49 - Feb 2 by Garv |
Ashton knows the club is, currently at least, built on McKenna and his management and coaching. He's not going to leak things to deliberately piss the guy off. I don't think McKenna will be too upset by that, he would admit he's not in the game of signing players for the sake of it.
George Hirst, however you think he's played this season, was in the Premier League last season, second choice to Liam Delap, and scored a goal every 167 minutes he played (I think). On paper, we're not likely to get much better. So, would you take a clone of George Hirst just so we could say we've signed someone? I'd assume not.
I wanted a good striker, most people did. I actually think a lot of people have it the wrong way round, though. Most are going after Hirst when Azon is the one seemingly devoid of goals or even goal threat. Hirst is just massively lacking confidence, which could change in a couple of games. I know he needs one to go in but at least he's getting chances. |
When George scored at home to Coventry I genuinely thought that was going to be a turning point for him and he'd kick on again. But it just hasn't happened.
Fingers crossed one goes in off his backside tomorrow and he goes on to score a hattrick. |  | | |
| Interesting 'insight' from the club: on 21:03 - Feb 2 with 2875 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Interesting 'insight' from the club: on 19:44 - Feb 2 by boysof1981 |
Just awaiting the usual drivel he’ll spout on his interview now the window has closed. Sooner he’s gone the better. |
What a totally ungrateful comment. | | | |
| Interesting 'insight' from the club: on 21:06 - Feb 2 with 2828 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Interesting 'insight' from the club: on 19:48 - Feb 2 by DJR |
I don't interpret that statement negatively.
To me it suggests.
1. Kieran didn't think that a lot of the possible targets would improve the team.
2. He did think that some were worth pursuing.
Let's not start blaming people in what is always a difficult window. |
100% this. | | | |
| Interesting 'insight' from the club: on 21:14 - Feb 2 with 2730 views | StuartCollins72 |
I for one actually like the fact we have a manager that makes the footballing decisions and we don’t get mixed egos signing players. McKenna has the responsibility for player recruitment and that’s the way I like it. | | | |
| Interesting 'insight' from the club: on 21:16 - Feb 2 with 2699 views | backwaywhen |
| Interesting 'insight' from the club: on 19:44 - Feb 2 by boysof1981 |
Just awaiting the usual drivel he’ll spout on his interview now the window has closed. Sooner he’s gone the better. |
You Budgies have been desperate for McKenna to go right from our first promotion ….now naff off . | | | |
| Interesting 'insight' from the club: on 21:33 - Feb 2 with 2547 views | Pinewoodblue |
I’m sure KMc would back himself to get the club promoted. The doors are shut,no one else can get into the squad. It is now time for every one, Ashton, McKenna, coaching staff, players and supporters to pull together and make it happen.
Personally wouldn’t have liked to have seen players being signed for the sake of it, nothing to be gained by lowering standards. Every penny not spent in the now closed transfer will be available in the summer, hopefully to fight to stay in Premier League.
The first priority is to match ,or better, whatever Hull achieve tomorrow evening. To close the gap with the top two who just happen to play each other in 14 days, after which both Ipswich & Hull will have a gene in hand again. |  |
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