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Would be handy if we had enough housing for the people who legitimately live here before we worry about the people who came by illegal means. Yes I know youll say its not illegal blah blah but they didn't show there passport at passport control did they. The person in the story could've stopped in lovely sunny Spain or the south of France but no chose to come to England. I wonder why eh?
This.
Hotels,benefits,housing.. you can’t blame them for coming,it’s the last Government and this current Government who are to blame.
Hotels,benefits,housing.. you can’t blame them for coming,it’s the last Government and this current Government who are to blame.
Why wouldn’t you not come?
[Post edited 7 Feb 4:34]
Asylum seekers can't claim benefits, they get given a tiny living allowance. This thread is literally about those who are granted asylum being unable to then get housing. Ordinary, people born overseas are only able to claim benefits if they have been given indefinite leave to remain in the UK, otherwise they have no recourse to public funds. You usually need to have been in the UK for at least 5 years to apply for indefinite leave to remain, most asylum outcomes provide a limited fixed term leave to remain.
The hotels thing has been done to death. Their use spiralled because of Tory incompetence but is now being reduced and will be phased out entirely. These are not luxury hotels that they are staying in. They are basic. They are living in one room that they may be sharing. They have no living space. Often they'll have no kitchen. It's hardly a great way to live.
And the idea that all asylum seekers want to come here is false. By population size, we take the 17th most asylum seekers in Europe. We take a third less than the average for Europe. So we aren't even taking in loads of asylum seekers. And most of those who do come here do so because they may have family or community ties or may know the language so will find it easier to settle and find work. All understandable reasons.
I'm not sure why I'm bothering as none of this will sink in. You'll just dismiss it as it doesn't fit your world view even though everything posted above is factually correct. You might want to reflect on why you're not interested in facts when it comes to this issue.
Things must be bad if sleeping on a bunkbed in a 4 man room, with 7 quid a day to live on, is seen as attractive.
But it is if you have been digging a well and are fifteen feet down without finding water with the temperature over 50C:
[I'll take the point that some make that anyone who scrapes together enough to pay a people trafficker for unsafe passage is more likely to be an economic migrant rather than an asylum seeker in this case but wanted to point out that more and more migration will result from climate change as the years pass.}
Asylum seekers can't claim benefits, they get given a tiny living allowance. This thread is literally about those who are granted asylum being unable to then get housing. Ordinary, people born overseas are only able to claim benefits if they have been given indefinite leave to remain in the UK, otherwise they have no recourse to public funds. You usually need to have been in the UK for at least 5 years to apply for indefinite leave to remain, most asylum outcomes provide a limited fixed term leave to remain.
The hotels thing has been done to death. Their use spiralled because of Tory incompetence but is now being reduced and will be phased out entirely. These are not luxury hotels that they are staying in. They are basic. They are living in one room that they may be sharing. They have no living space. Often they'll have no kitchen. It's hardly a great way to live.
And the idea that all asylum seekers want to come here is false. By population size, we take the 17th most asylum seekers in Europe. We take a third less than the average for Europe. So we aren't even taking in loads of asylum seekers. And most of those who do come here do so because they may have family or community ties or may know the language so will find it easier to settle and find work. All understandable reasons.
I'm not sure why I'm bothering as none of this will sink in. You'll just dismiss it as it doesn't fit your world view even though everything posted above is factually correct. You might want to reflect on why you're not interested in facts when it comes to this issue.
Worth pointing out that someone who applies for indefinite leave to remain has contributed a non-returnable fee of £3,029 (for each person) to our state.
Your closing sentence may be correct but if posts are removed that also removes our opportunity to challenge these falsehoods and I doubt it will change any minds that no longer post but do feel a resentment that they are denied a voice. Engagement and discourse are better no matter how uncomfortable they make us.
Your closing sentence may be correct but if posts are removed that also removes our opportunity to challenge these falsehoods and I doubt it will change any minds that no longer post but do feel a resentment that they are denied a voice. Engagement and discourse are better no matter how uncomfortable they make us.
Morning Zombers.
In normal debates and times I would agree but said posters have been challenged for years on these falsehoods and nothing has changed. It's not like a lot of effort hasn't been made to educate on this subject with these same posters.
Another poster on this thread had an immigration thread removed by Phil a few days ago because it was essentially propagating falsehoods and baiting posters.
At this point it could be argued that it's more damaging that others may read and believe the falsehoods than trying to change the views of people who are repeatedly confronted with the facts and evidence and refuse to even engage with it.
You're probably right in this case, it's just very frustrating.
As a general point and concept though, you are of course correct.
It's funny that whenever posters with certain views are asked to empathise it seems to make them disappear. It's like being asked to care about other people causes them to shortcircuit.
If there's one thing that Team 'Be Kind' dislikes, it's actually having to be kind.
I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
Asylum seekers can't claim benefits, they get given a tiny living allowance. This thread is literally about those who are granted asylum being unable to then get housing. Ordinary, people born overseas are only able to claim benefits if they have been given indefinite leave to remain in the UK, otherwise they have no recourse to public funds. You usually need to have been in the UK for at least 5 years to apply for indefinite leave to remain, most asylum outcomes provide a limited fixed term leave to remain.
The hotels thing has been done to death. Their use spiralled because of Tory incompetence but is now being reduced and will be phased out entirely. These are not luxury hotels that they are staying in. They are basic. They are living in one room that they may be sharing. They have no living space. Often they'll have no kitchen. It's hardly a great way to live.
And the idea that all asylum seekers want to come here is false. By population size, we take the 17th most asylum seekers in Europe. We take a third less than the average for Europe. So we aren't even taking in loads of asylum seekers. And most of those who do come here do so because they may have family or community ties or may know the language so will find it easier to settle and find work. All understandable reasons.
I'm not sure why I'm bothering as none of this will sink in. You'll just dismiss it as it doesn't fit your world view even though everything posted above is factually correct. You might want to reflect on why you're not interested in facts when it comes to this issue.
The 4 star hotels that Farage bangs on about and you see on social media memes, alongside pictures of a British veteran sleeping rough It's is completely misleading
Some of these hotels may have a decent rating when operating as a hotel for paying guests but the refugees have no access to any amenities that may have been a factor in being awarded that rating.
There is no room service, multi channel TV, daily maid service etc. The food provided (if provided at all) is not what a paying guest would receive. Everything is done on a minimal budget.
FREE IRAN FROM THE MULLAHS - FREE PALESTINE FROM HAMAS - FREE LEBANON FROM HEZBOLLAH
It is if you have been sleeping in a tent in France.
So what's your solution? Make them sleep in tents over here while we process their asylum claim? If you read the story in the OP, that would at least prepare them for life in the UK once they've been granted asylum.
Yeah, worse than most of the clowns we had in league 1. Up there among the poorer performances I think I’ve ever seen at PR, for both teams I might add. A shit ref from start to finish.
But it is if you have been digging a well and are fifteen feet down without finding water with the temperature over 50C:
[I'll take the point that some make that anyone who scrapes together enough to pay a people trafficker for unsafe passage is more likely to be an economic migrant rather than an asylum seeker in this case but wanted to point out that more and more migration will result from climate change as the years pass.}
Oh aye, nobody’s focusing on the fundamental causes of a lot of refugee movement. Quite the opposite. We’re* wilfully creating conditions that lead to the displacement of millions of people around the globe and then politicians tell us we’re supposed to be surprised and angry at those people. There for the grace of god and all that.
*We = humans and mostly men when it comes to conflicts.
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