| Egeli 10:06 - Feb 8 with 5657 views | FrimleyBlue |
Seeing mcateers excellent appearance and how he and burns give us our right side nicely balanced between them.
It does pose the question on what do we do with egeli...
We've got two 10s already. KM has never given him a go uptop. But we dont miss egeli when hes not on the right..
I know we spent a lot of money on him... but would it be so wrong to have him with the u21s for the remainder of season and then on loan somewhere next season?
Hes got that future potential but I cant see where he fits into the side this season. |  |
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| Egeli on 17:48 - Feb 8 with 890 views | Hugoagogo_Reborn |
| Egeli on 17:37 - Feb 8 by pointofblue |
Think we need to work out, first, how serious Burns' knock is. And we need to ensure McAteer's improvement yesterday is not just a flash in the pan. I doubt dumping Egeli to the under 21s is going to do anything for his confidence.
Perhaps, with rumours swirling about him often being seen out and about alone, and even asking for advise around town, IF true, there needs to be as much consideration about how he is being supported off the pitch as much as on it. |
If those rumours are true, this is a massive consideration for young, foreign players.
He may be very comfortable with his own company, and that would be fine, but if he is struggling to feel settled and at home in Ipswich, and doesn't have a good group of friends to support him, then certainly the player liaison officer (if they still have one) should be helping him out. |  |
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| Egeli on 17:54 - Feb 8 with 868 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Egeli on 17:42 - Feb 8 by Dubtractor |
"it's not about patience and it's also not writing a player off, i don't think I can make it any clearer when i've stated that I feel he's gonna be a star
what im asking is where does he fit in and if that's nowhere for the remainder of the season, would it be good for him to go with the u21s for some games etc."
That is absolutely about a lack of patience though - before yesterday the prevailing view was that McAteer was not going to have an impact, and that he'd struggle to get many minutes etc, and now all of a sudden in some people's eyes he is the man and Walle-Egeli has no place.
A football season is a long slog, Walle-Egeli is having his moment of not being as involved/as impactful at the moment, but I'd put money on it that he'll have some key moments over the coming months. |
It's not really about yesturday, ive held the view of egeli not suiting our right hand side all season, KM obv thought that too as we enquired about the millwall fella.
He needs to develop, i just think in a promotion season, we will need more than a developing youngster for the remainder of the season. So i wondered if we may see him given a go uptop, but if not and we don't see much of him on the right, maybe he'll get some minutes in the u21s. I get why people would feel that's a bit disrespectful for him, but it is a developing set up and could be quite useful.
We'll see I guess. | |
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| Egeli on 17:57 - Feb 8 with 860 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Egeli on 17:48 - Feb 8 by Hugoagogo_Reborn |
If those rumours are true, this is a massive consideration for young, foreign players.
He may be very comfortable with his own company, and that would be fine, but if he is struggling to feel settled and at home in Ipswich, and doesn't have a good group of friends to support him, then certainly the player liaison officer (if they still have one) should be helping him out. |
player liaison officer is sally boyle. If supporters have had concerns when out and about it might be worth contacting her. You never know it could be something she might not even be aware of. | |
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| Egeli on 18:14 - Feb 8 with 830 views | Hugoagogo_Reborn |
| Egeli on 17:57 - Feb 8 by FrimleyBlue |
player liaison officer is sally boyle. If supporters have had concerns when out and about it might be worth contacting her. You never know it could be something she might not even be aware of. |
I know Sally very well from my time working there. She's a lovely person and an excellent employee and it makes me feel reassured that he will be in good hands if he needs assistance.
She wasn't in that position when I worked there, but was at the training ground under another role.
As to whether I should contact her myself, I'm only responding to others who have heard rumours, but certainly, if anyone has seen him out and about alone, in person, and felt concerned, then they definitely should consider contacting Sally. [Post edited 8 Feb 18:16]
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| Egeli on 18:31 - Feb 8 with 804 views | FelixBlue4 |
I’m sure I read in an interview not long ago that the plan was to move him into a forward role over time. |  | | |
| Egeli on 18:47 - Feb 8 with 792 views | LeoMuff |
| Egeli on 17:42 - Feb 8 by GlasgowBlue |
I think people are forgetting what an important member of the team he was up to Christmas. He was in most people's starting eleven during that period and there was an outbreak of panic when it was thought he had been injured after the Norwich game.
His form has dipped since the tun of the year but he's a young player playing in a tough league in a foreign country.
McKenna will manage him well and he'll play an important role during the run in. [Post edited 8 Feb 17:50]
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Imagine a rest and training with top Championship players and Kmac day in day out and he will be a better player again next season. |  |
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| Egeli on 18:47 - Feb 8 with 791 views | Dubtractor |
| Egeli on 18:14 - Feb 8 by Hugoagogo_Reborn |
I know Sally very well from my time working there. She's a lovely person and an excellent employee and it makes me feel reassured that he will be in good hands if he needs assistance.
She wasn't in that position when I worked there, but was at the training ground under another role.
As to whether I should contact her myself, I'm only responding to others who have heard rumours, but certainly, if anyone has seen him out and about alone, in person, and felt concerned, then they definitely should consider contacting Sally. [Post edited 8 Feb 18:16]
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I have to be honest here, and say that people (not necessarily you) are MASSIVELY in danger of putting 2 and 2 together and making 124 based on a couple of people saying that they have seen him on his own a couple of times. It is a huge extrapolation from that to assume he is lonely or having problems settling, and I don't think it is great for people to be speculating that. |  |
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| Egeli on 19:26 - Feb 8 with 748 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Egeli on 17:31 - Feb 8 by FrimleyBlue |
it's not about patience and it's also not writing a player off, i don't think I can make it any clearer when i've stated that I feel he's gonna be a star
what im asking is where does he fit in and if that's nowhere for the remainder of the season, would it be good for him to go with the u21s for some games etc. That's not binning him or dropping him, just developing him without it having any ill effects on first team action.
We're in the position now where everything is coming together nicely, we have a nice balance to the side, that right hand side works best when it has wide players on it, or ones that can go inside or out ala hutch.. that's not egeli. and i feel with egeli at the moment, it's playing him like sammy S, in a position that he once played but doesn't work in our side. |
What you’ve written is precisely impatience.
Walle-Egeli has struggled for form in recent games, after showing glimpses of what he can do prior to Xmas. He is far too good to be playing and training with the U21s for the rest of the season, and will benefit hugely from being part of the senior group.
KmK is best placed to nurture him in the coming months, and give him minutes as he sees best for his development. | | | |
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| Egeli on 19:33 - Feb 8 with 737 views | Swansea_Blue |
I’ve half-heartedly mentioned before that normally clubs would send someone like him out on loan, but I knew that wouldn’t be our approach because he’s played so much football. Also, we eased Hutch in so well, so it’s easy to think the best place for him is here and being involved.
Maybe, however, we would have been better sending him out on loan. I’m not 100% sure though, and I’m glad it’s not my decision. He’s got something about him but he also doesn’t impact games and we can’t afford that unfortunately. [Post edited 8 Feb 19:39]
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| Egeli on 19:36 - Feb 8 with 736 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Egeli on 19:26 - Feb 8 by SuffolkPunchFC |
What you’ve written is precisely impatience.
Walle-Egeli has struggled for form in recent games, after showing glimpses of what he can do prior to Xmas. He is far too good to be playing and training with the U21s for the rest of the season, and will benefit hugely from being part of the senior group.
KmK is best placed to nurture him in the coming months, and give him minutes as he sees best for his development. |
You don't have to train with the u21s to play for them, look at Humphreys prior to his move. Egeli could still train with the first team.
And sorry no i disagree i don't feel it is impatient, it's more of wishing to see Egeli thrive and develop but don't feel he can do that in OUR right sided role during a promotion challenging season.
But i do agree KMK is best placed compared to a forum user. | |
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| Egeli on 19:38 - Feb 8 with 731 views | itfcsuth |
If we go up, you’d imagine a loan back to the Championship, currently you have to say he’s 3rd in the pecking order.
Whilst I think he has technical ability, and a bright future, he doesn’t look a RW in our system to me, looks largely ineffective.
Feel like his future is more centrally. |  | | |
| Egeli on 19:43 - Feb 8 with 715 views | armchaircritic59 |
The great majority of young players have ups and downs in their performances, it's not often a linear progression. There are of course a few exceptions, as there are with anything. In my book it doesn't help him being played out of position, a wide right he most certainly isn't. Trouble there being, he's no chance of playing no10 at the moment now we have 2 hot contenders for that role. That only leaves his other stated preferred position, no9. Do we try it? Over to KM for that one. | | | |
| Egeli on 21:25 - Feb 8 with 681 views | Hugoagogo_Reborn |
| Egeli on 18:47 - Feb 8 by Dubtractor |
I have to be honest here, and say that people (not necessarily you) are MASSIVELY in danger of putting 2 and 2 together and making 124 based on a couple of people saying that they have seen him on his own a couple of times. It is a huge extrapolation from that to assume he is lonely or having problems settling, and I don't think it is great for people to be speculating that. |
I agree. I responded as someone who moved country at 20 years old, and understand that the struggle to adapt is hard, but I hope that I made clear that rumours are just that. The only people who should be getting involved are people who are friends, have first hand interaction and feel the need to check on the person's well-being from an appropriate place. Not those who heard from a friend of a friend etc. | |
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| Egeli on 21:44 - Feb 8 with 654 views | SE1blue |
| Egeli on 18:47 - Feb 8 by Dubtractor |
I have to be honest here, and say that people (not necessarily you) are MASSIVELY in danger of putting 2 and 2 together and making 124 based on a couple of people saying that they have seen him on his own a couple of times. It is a huge extrapolation from that to assume he is lonely or having problems settling, and I don't think it is great for people to be speculating that. |
Agree 100%.
This is almost as misguided and potentially damaging as the “Is Philogene isolating himself from the squad?” thread that appeared earlier in the season.
These kinds of comments blow my mind. [Post edited 8 Feb 21:44]
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| Egeli on 21:50 - Feb 8 with 623 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Egeli on 21:44 - Feb 8 by SE1blue |
Agree 100%.
This is almost as misguided and potentially damaging as the “Is Philogene isolating himself from the squad?” thread that appeared earlier in the season.
These kinds of comments blow my mind. [Post edited 8 Feb 21:44]
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Whilst I get your point and Dubs, people showing concern shouldn't be discouraged in doing so. I do appreciate the point about sharing to much on socials, but I wouldn't want people to be discouraged, hence I mentioned about contacting Sally at the club. | |
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| Egeli on 21:52 - Feb 8 with 617 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Egeli on 19:43 - Feb 8 by armchaircritic59 |
The great majority of young players have ups and downs in their performances, it's not often a linear progression. There are of course a few exceptions, as there are with anything. In my book it doesn't help him being played out of position, a wide right he most certainly isn't. Trouble there being, he's no chance of playing no10 at the moment now we have 2 hot contenders for that role. That only leaves his other stated preferred position, no9. Do we try it? Over to KM for that one. |
I’d be surprised if KM started moving him around and tried him as CF. I just can’t see it. Kieran will be more patient than any of us. You’re spot on about the challenges and journeys he’ll be on. KM showing confidence in him is probably the best thing for him. Even if that may mean we don’t necessarily have our best starting line up, trusting him to start on the right is likely to be the best for his development. Some starts, some sub appearances; I suspect we’ll carry on with him as we have done so far. | |
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| Egeli on 22:13 - Feb 8 with 591 views | Hugoagogo_Reborn |
| Egeli on 21:44 - Feb 8 by SE1blue |
Agree 100%.
This is almost as misguided and potentially damaging as the “Is Philogene isolating himself from the squad?” thread that appeared earlier in the season.
These kinds of comments blow my mind. [Post edited 8 Feb 21:44]
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They blow your mind?
Ok. I was just responding as someone who has been in a foreign country at a similar age. It's not wrong to show concern for people (even those you don't know) if they could feel isolated or alone. The minute we stop caring is a sad day. Rumours might be rumours, but there was no bad intentions in any of the posts here. | |
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| Egeli on 05:13 - Feb 9 with 514 views | SE1blue |
| Egeli on 21:50 - Feb 8 by FrimleyBlue |
Whilst I get your point and Dubs, people showing concern shouldn't be discouraged in doing so. I do appreciate the point about sharing to much on socials, but I wouldn't want people to be discouraged, hence I mentioned about contacting Sally at the club. |
Not sure where I discouraged caring for others, but your suggestion of contacting the club based on hearsay and no actual facts or knowledge of the person directly is laughable, and also potentially damaging.
You made similar assumptions (and again, thats all they were) about Philogene, and got that wrong. | |
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| Egeli on 05:21 - Feb 9 with 509 views | braveblue |
He is a young lad with a great future. McAteer had his best appearance for us but I wouldn’t call it excellent and it is the first time he has been useful. Egeli has had some good appearances. I think he will come good. | | | |
| Egeli on 06:56 - Feb 9 with 465 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Egeli on 05:13 - Feb 9 by SE1blue |
Not sure where I discouraged caring for others, but your suggestion of contacting the club based on hearsay and no actual facts or knowledge of the person directly is laughable, and also potentially damaging.
You made similar assumptions (and again, thats all they were) about Philogene, and got that wrong. |
I didnt say contact the club based on hearsay. I said those who were out and about.
And regarding your 2nd point. I asked something, I dont mind and glad I was wrong in that case but id rather ask than think something and not enquire.
Your assumption that things would be damaging because youre showing a concern for someone is imo a form of discouraging people.
Say someone was struggling but they didnt speak up or maybe quite aimply didnt know they needed to, Someone might spot it but in your view should keep quiet about it.
During one of my episodes of bad mental health. I had someone contact my employer at the time as they'd noticed something.. it wasnt damaging, it lead to a discussion and me getting sorted at that time. Im glad they raised it as I certainly wasnt aware of it at that time.
So no im not saying contact the club because .... said something on twtd.
But I would encourage people to contact others if they had a genuine belief something was amiss from what theyve seen. | |
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| Egeli on 07:20 - Feb 9 with 434 views | Dubtractor |
| Egeli on 06:56 - Feb 9 by FrimleyBlue |
I didnt say contact the club based on hearsay. I said those who were out and about.
And regarding your 2nd point. I asked something, I dont mind and glad I was wrong in that case but id rather ask than think something and not enquire.
Your assumption that things would be damaging because youre showing a concern for someone is imo a form of discouraging people.
Say someone was struggling but they didnt speak up or maybe quite aimply didnt know they needed to, Someone might spot it but in your view should keep quiet about it.
During one of my episodes of bad mental health. I had someone contact my employer at the time as they'd noticed something.. it wasnt damaging, it lead to a discussion and me getting sorted at that time. Im glad they raised it as I certainly wasnt aware of it at that time.
So no im not saying contact the club because .... said something on twtd.
But I would encourage people to contact others if they had a genuine belief something was amiss from what theyve seen. |
Just for clarity, and to be clear that I'm not a heartless git, in situations like yours where people who work with someone or know them well, it is absolutely vital that people share concerns where appropriate. I've had similar situations at my place of work and it has resulted in people getting help that they needed.
That's not really what's happened here though. As I recall reading it, someone wondered if he was struggling to settle, as a young lad in a foreign country. A couple of responses then stated that he goes to the gym on his own and has been seen walking on his own, both activities that lots of people do on their own without any suspicion of issues. Its a big leap from that to be reporting concerns to the club, based on no knowledge of his personal circumstances. | |
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| Egeli on 07:35 - Feb 9 with 398 views | SE1blue |
| Egeli on 06:56 - Feb 9 by FrimleyBlue |
I didnt say contact the club based on hearsay. I said those who were out and about.
And regarding your 2nd point. I asked something, I dont mind and glad I was wrong in that case but id rather ask than think something and not enquire.
Your assumption that things would be damaging because youre showing a concern for someone is imo a form of discouraging people.
Say someone was struggling but they didnt speak up or maybe quite aimply didnt know they needed to, Someone might spot it but in your view should keep quiet about it.
During one of my episodes of bad mental health. I had someone contact my employer at the time as they'd noticed something.. it wasnt damaging, it lead to a discussion and me getting sorted at that time. Im glad they raised it as I certainly wasnt aware of it at that time.
So no im not saying contact the club because .... said something on twtd.
But I would encourage people to contact others if they had a genuine belief something was amiss from what theyve seen. |
Spookily, Dubtractor has just replied with a response very similar to one I had just typed up. My comments don't come from a not caring standpoint, but from a don't make massive leaps and don't assume that everyone needs saving. Dubtractor has expressed it far more eloquently than I am but this thread seems like lazy armchair analysis to me.
Within 2 pages you've gone from suggesting (inexplicably imho) a young player should potentially be dropped to the U21s, to then providing a name of someone to call at their place of work if you're concerned about a player, in the same thread about that player. This is a public forum and as you know well, players and family of players read this.
If I was reading this thread as that player, I'd be massively dismayed and annoyed at how those rumours are leading to this point. | |
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| Egeli on 07:44 - Feb 9 with 374 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Egeli on 07:35 - Feb 9 by SE1blue |
Spookily, Dubtractor has just replied with a response very similar to one I had just typed up. My comments don't come from a not caring standpoint, but from a don't make massive leaps and don't assume that everyone needs saving. Dubtractor has expressed it far more eloquently than I am but this thread seems like lazy armchair analysis to me.
Within 2 pages you've gone from suggesting (inexplicably imho) a young player should potentially be dropped to the U21s, to then providing a name of someone to call at their place of work if you're concerned about a player, in the same thread about that player. This is a public forum and as you know well, players and family of players read this.
If I was reading this thread as that player, I'd be massively dismayed and annoyed at how those rumours are leading to this point. |
Ths issue is guess is your view of playing for the u21s as dropped rather than part of his development. The op was about the football side of things tbh. It changed direction slightly but the OP was about the footballing side. | |
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| Egeli on 07:51 - Feb 9 with 364 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Egeli on 07:20 - Feb 9 by Dubtractor |
Just for clarity, and to be clear that I'm not a heartless git, in situations like yours where people who work with someone or know them well, it is absolutely vital that people share concerns where appropriate. I've had similar situations at my place of work and it has resulted in people getting help that they needed.
That's not really what's happened here though. As I recall reading it, someone wondered if he was struggling to settle, as a young lad in a foreign country. A couple of responses then stated that he goes to the gym on his own and has been seen walking on his own, both activities that lots of people do on their own without any suspicion of issues. Its a big leap from that to be reporting concerns to the club, based on no knowledge of his personal circumstances. |
No no. Mine was a customer. Thats why Im so pro show concern over leave it to others.
I guess in the situation were chatting about in this situation. Im not advocating people on twtd contact the club because a few people have posted different things. My view was on the ones who were in person and at the time found things concerning. Absolutely its normal for people to be alone and I wouldnt be saying make contact just because you saw him at the gym alone. But if youve found yourself speaking to him and thinking somethings amiss then yes contact the club. | |
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| Egeli on 08:21 - Feb 9 with 326 views | PioneerBlue |
Why force a decision like playing for U21s? Sure we could do that but we need the training numbers with lots of games in each month, we need the rotation and cover with Wes returning from long term injury and Egeli will be learning all the time. The 25 can absorb a few more junior players when everyone is fit and thats how we build a experienced squad for the longer term. The counter would be Baggott who is clearly not getting the minutes he needs for his development but we are not there with Egeli at this time. | |
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