| Re Andrew - where does this rank? 12:51 - Feb 19 with 2397 views | nrb1985 |
I find myself on occasion thinking about the various defining global events of my life.
In chronological order, I would broadly say they were Diana, 9/11, Iraq, 2008 Financial Crisis, iPhone, Brexit…
Where does this one rank in terms of significance? While the direction of travel for Andrew has been clear for some weeks, can’t quite believe he’s been arrested.
Truly without precedent.
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| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 15:41 - Feb 19 with 403 views | Keno |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 15:27 - Feb 19 by Mullet |
Well the mental image of you clutching your mini gems is going to haunt us all. |
Just be grateful he wasnt sucking a Fishermans friend |  |
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| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 15:42 - Feb 19 with 398 views | WeWereZombies |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 15:33 - Feb 19 by Radlett_blue |
A President can be an apolitical figurehead. This seems to have worked quite well in Ireland.
If we abolished the monarchy, my Rule 1 is that the President cannot be either a current or former member of either of the Houses of Parliament. |
Rule 2. The President cannot be a supporter of Norwich City FC |  |
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| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 15:42 - Feb 19 with 394 views | nrb1985 |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 15:22 - Feb 19 by Mullet |
Hopefully more and more people are waking up to what a rotten, corrupt drain on our country his mob are.
But I’d say it will only be a big deal if it brings the scum down with him. Otherwise it’s just a talking point in history and an anecdote at best. |
Yes - but what do you really think? | | | |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 16:33 - Feb 19 with 360 views | Guthrum |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 14:50 - Feb 19 by grow_our_own |
I don't see it'd be much more upheaval than recent monarchy to republic conversions in other countries. No "revolution" required any more than in eg Greece and Barbados. Fundamentally, it's swapping an aristocrat for an elected head of state. Referendum with a clear outcome (not another Brexit), followed by an act of parliament replacing references to "crown" with "state", then elect a new president.
No need to reject our rich royal history, all the place names, Elizabeth & Victoria Line, etc can stay. Open the palaces to tourism, cut-off the extended liggers, have a proper defender of the constitution (no more proroguing Parliament), no more tax-breaks, nor opaque influence on our laws.
President needn't be a politician, eg current Irish president ran as an independent (former psychologist), they've also had an academic and a poet lately. We'd only get "President Blair" if we vote for him.
https://www.republic.org.uk |
Ireland is something of an ideal blueprint, yes. For that matter, they just quietly discarded the monarchy in 1949 (a process which began in 1936). |  |
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| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 16:43 - Feb 19 with 343 views | TheBlueGnu |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 13:10 - Feb 19 by Illinoisblue |
Opal Fruits to Starburst, too. We have lived history. |
The removal of the red telephone box from Depden Green | |
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| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 17:00 - Feb 19 with 312 views | The_Romford_Blue |
Not sure why but your list has proper chuckled me.
The IPhone invention being in the same list for significance as 9/11 is superb |  |
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| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 17:08 - Feb 19 with 296 views | J2BLUE |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 17:00 - Feb 19 by The_Romford_Blue |
Not sure why but your list has proper chuckled me.
The IPhone invention being in the same list for significance as 9/11 is superb |
I don't think anything will top 9/11 in terms of world changing events in my lifetime. At least I hope not, unless it's something positive like aliens land and they are peaceful.
With that said, I can see the OP's point. The iphone did have a massive impact on society. |  |
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| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 17:58 - Feb 19 with 264 views | nrb1985 |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 17:00 - Feb 19 by The_Romford_Blue |
Not sure why but your list has proper chuckled me.
The IPhone invention being in the same list for significance as 9/11 is superb |
I am to please! | | | |
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| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 19:01 - Feb 19 with 227 views | Mike44 |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 17:58 - Feb 19 by nrb1985 |
I am to please! |
Fulham 10 Town 1, Boxing Day 1963. Still haunts me. | | | |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 20:55 - Feb 19 with 180 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 13:56 - Feb 19 by Axeldalai_lama |
It does shine a ridiculous light on the monarchy as a whole. He was part of the monarchy because of who he plopped out of, which was the only thing that Epstein etc cared about, the fact that he was a royal. And somehow now, after enabling him for a bit they've cut him loose and he's not 'one of them' any more, so it's now nothing to do with the royals.
So he's privileged and pampered and above us all because of him being born that way and that's all hunky dory, begging your pardon sir doff my cap and bow. Right until such time as he becomes a problem for them and then they can absolutely cut him loose and walk away and make him a normal pleb and that's also all good and nothing they can do and nothing to do with the royals thank you very much.
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You are on very unstable ground here.
While your cap doffing and bowing will be noted, your complete and utter failure to tug your forelock will have serious ramifications for you, your children, and your children's children.
Debrett’s New Guide to Etiquette and Modern Manners has it all very clearly explained. Hopefully all TWTDers have read and understood this tremendously helpful primer that enables us to navigate our relationship with our betters without impinging upon their effortless gracefulness. | | | |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 21:02 - Feb 19 with 167 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 13:02 - Feb 19 by Illinoisblue |
Not sure launch of a phone is quite up there with 9/11. |
The OP's is a truly bizarre list.
It did seem surreal to see that someone who was once about 4th in line to the throne is not above the law. It is also notable what he has been arrested for. It shows how our justice system is far more effective than that in many other countries (especially the US right now). Although, none of them is anything like perfect. |  |
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| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 21:09 - Feb 19 with 148 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 14:03 - Feb 19 by Guthrum |
Not all that highly, IMO.
Moderate levels of polling lauded by Republic notwithstanding, there is little real appetite - especially at Parliamentary level - for the upheaval and political fights which would be required to abolish the monarchy from outside. And they are unlikely to go of their own accord, with William evidently most keen on succeeding his father.
Who today remembers the royal crisis of 1861-72, which saw strong republican feelings, protests and mass demonstrations? The monarchy was genuinely on the brink, before Disraeli pulled Queen Victoria out of her self-imposed seclusion and, a few years later, made her Empress of India.
There is strong, if perhaps still politically unpalatable, precedent for this arrest, with the detention, trial and execution of Charles I in 1646-49 (on much more serious charges, of levying war against his subjects). |
The arrest of Charles I was a literal revolution. The seizing of the Head of State!
This is merely the application of the theoretical principle that "No one is above the law" and is merely the arrest (not being charged, prosecuted or found Guilty, yet) under Common Law, of somebody who has already had his Royal status removed.
A closer parallel is the then Prince Charles, now the King, being found guilty of speeding, although this is a more significant crime and also has the added frisson of "sharing of State secrets" and the odious stench of Epstein. | | | |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 21:10 - Feb 19 with 143 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 20:55 - Feb 19 by ArnoldMoorhen |
You are on very unstable ground here.
While your cap doffing and bowing will be noted, your complete and utter failure to tug your forelock will have serious ramifications for you, your children, and your children's children.
Debrett’s New Guide to Etiquette and Modern Manners has it all very clearly explained. Hopefully all TWTDers have read and understood this tremendously helpful primer that enables us to navigate our relationship with our betters without impinging upon their effortless gracefulness. |
True story, but I know one of the late Queen’s former butlers. Serious manners. I don’t think you can even begin to understand etiquette guides until you’ve seen them in practice. |  |
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| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 21:20 - Feb 19 with 135 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 21:10 - Feb 19 by Swansea_Blue |
True story, but I know one of the late Queen’s former butlers. Serious manners. I don’t think you can even begin to understand etiquette guides until you’ve seen them in practice. |
I have up close experience with another branch of the Establishment, and the sheer love for pettiness and posturing of some people within it never ceases to amaze me. | | | |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 21:40 - Feb 19 with 110 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 20:55 - Feb 19 by ArnoldMoorhen |
You are on very unstable ground here.
While your cap doffing and bowing will be noted, your complete and utter failure to tug your forelock will have serious ramifications for you, your children, and your children's children.
Debrett’s New Guide to Etiquette and Modern Manners has it all very clearly explained. Hopefully all TWTDers have read and understood this tremendously helpful primer that enables us to navigate our relationship with our betters without impinging upon their effortless gracefulness. |
Begging your pardon sir, I am but a humble pleb what didn't know no better. I leaves the thinking to my betters who were of the correct more noble breeding which meant they was quite rightly born above us and with our millions to spend in them there big houses what we pay for but don't own. I just thank my lucky stars that we have these people of better breeding than us in place, over some crazy system that might involve choice or us plebs having a say. How mental and wrong would that be? |  | | |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 23:24 - Feb 19 with 60 views | Guthrum |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 21:09 - Feb 19 by ArnoldMoorhen |
The arrest of Charles I was a literal revolution. The seizing of the Head of State!
This is merely the application of the theoretical principle that "No one is above the law" and is merely the arrest (not being charged, prosecuted or found Guilty, yet) under Common Law, of somebody who has already had his Royal status removed.
A closer parallel is the then Prince Charles, now the King, being found guilty of speeding, although this is a more significant crime and also has the added frisson of "sharing of State secrets" and the odious stench of Epstein. |
However, the arrest of the Head of State was far from unprecedented in England. I can think of five examples, off the top of my head - tho most of them related to dynastic struggles. The accusations in some cases* were broadly the same as thse thrown at Charles I, indeed were cited during his trial.
* Breaking the contract between ruler and subjects, by oppressing or making war upon them. | |
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| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 23:33 - Feb 19 with 52 views | Mullet |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 23:24 - Feb 19 by Guthrum |
However, the arrest of the Head of State was far from unprecedented in England. I can think of five examples, off the top of my head - tho most of them related to dynastic struggles. The accusations in some cases* were broadly the same as thse thrown at Charles I, indeed were cited during his trial.
* Breaking the contract between ruler and subjects, by oppressing or making war upon them. |
Still think we should dot a few guillotines around London for a bit. Send a message. |  |
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