| Can we talk about Egeli? 08:23 - Mar 15 with 6513 views | franz_tyson |
I really feel for the lad and I appreciate he's scored a couple of important goals lately, but, surely, McAteer offers more down that right hand side. It's painful when we get on the front foot and the ball goes right. And then all momentum stops because Egeli has to stop and transfer the ball to his left. I'm sure confidence is part of it and he looks as if he's carrying a lot on his shoulders, but he's got to offer more as a wide man.
Being taken off at HT isn't really in the McKenna playbook. Think it's time for McAteer to step up and we've got to look after Egeli a bit and take him out of the firing line.
I've seen him play for Norway u21's and think he scored a hattrick and looked a worldbeater, but looks so ineffective at this level. Having said that, got 4 goals when he's not playing well so there could be a genuine goal-scorer in there.... but just looks a real weakness and so easy to defend against. |  | | |  |
| Great point about Furlong and mirroring the left side on 10:12 - Mar 15 with 682 views | Dyland |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 10:05 - Mar 15 by Guthrum |
It's more a tactical thing than a problem with the player. Walle Egeli is meant to be the counterpart of Clarke/Philogene on the other wing. Cutting inside to unleash shots, while the Fullback bombs past down the line to draw defenders away and give an option to get the ball to the byline for a cross if the route to goal is blocked off.
Works very well on the left. But the two on that side have a lot more experience and understanding, thus greater threat when they do cut in, while Davis is more dangerous in his part of the combination than Furlong.
Walle Egeli is young and still learning the game at senior level. He will get increasingly effective and fluent the more matches he plays. At some point he will master cutting inside without having to stop, keeping the defender wrong-footed when he does have to pause, plus variations involving the fullback (it's not a decoy if defenders know he is unlikely to pass to Furlong). These things that Clarke and Philogene do all the time that Walle Egeli is still learning. |
Presumably McKenna can see this too. If not I demand Guthers gets a job on the coaching staff :) |  |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 10:15 - Mar 15 with 666 views | grow_our_own |
"why does he keep getting starts." - because the alternative is Kasey McAteer. If Millwall had allowed us to sign Azeez in Jan, he wouldn't be. [Post edited 15 Mar 10:16]
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 10:16 - Mar 15 with 668 views | Herbivore |
Worth remembering it's only a week since he bagged the equaliser against Leicester and put in a very effective performance that helped swing the game decisively in our favour. One poor game later and some are writing him off. For me his potential is clear, he's got bags of technical ability and looks to be good in front of goal. His passing is very decent and he's hit some lovely cross field passes that have shown both technique and vision. His crossing isn't great and he lacks the confidence and nous to consistently go past his full back but he's not helped out there by Furlong being quite limited as an attacking foil for him. Burns manages that by having the straight line speed to knock it past the full back and go but Egeli maybe doesn't have that or isn't used to playing that way. He will get better, he's 19 and this league is a huge step up for him, but he's made some really important contributions, some of them coming at key moments and against very decent sides. He's one who'd benefit from fans not overanalyzing every single performance, he's going to be inconsistent. |  |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 10:17 - Mar 15 with 658 views | billlm |
In the heat of this battle with ten to go he shouldn't start any games business end of the season,
He has potential for sure but not a winger that's up to McKenna to find his true position he's 19 has another 16 years left playing football, |  | | |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 10:20 - Mar 15 with 620 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 10:16 - Mar 15 by Herbivore |
Worth remembering it's only a week since he bagged the equaliser against Leicester and put in a very effective performance that helped swing the game decisively in our favour. One poor game later and some are writing him off. For me his potential is clear, he's got bags of technical ability and looks to be good in front of goal. His passing is very decent and he's hit some lovely cross field passes that have shown both technique and vision. His crossing isn't great and he lacks the confidence and nous to consistently go past his full back but he's not helped out there by Furlong being quite limited as an attacking foil for him. Burns manages that by having the straight line speed to knock it past the full back and go but Egeli maybe doesn't have that or isn't used to playing that way. He will get better, he's 19 and this league is a huge step up for him, but he's made some really important contributions, some of them coming at key moments and against very decent sides. He's one who'd benefit from fans not overanalyzing every single performance, he's going to be inconsistent. |
So youve downvoted my post where I say I dont see him a starter yet you go on about how hes done things coming on as a sub. Which i alluded to.
Hes done nothing to warrant starts herbz. When he does hes been poor.
You may have downvoted because of the u21 line.. but lets be honest. Good performing youngsters arent getting a look in but the expensive signing one does. [Post edited 15 Mar 10:23]
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| Great point about Furlong and mirroring the left side on 10:23 - Mar 15 with 621 views | Guthrum |
| Great point about Furlong and mirroring the left side on 10:12 - Mar 15 by Dyland |
Presumably McKenna can see this too. If not I demand Guthers gets a job on the coaching staff :) |
I'm sure it's deliberate on McKenna's part. The effectiveness imbalance (to coin a phrase) is why we send attacks down the left more often than the right.
But if Walle Egeli does not get the chance to learn - in the full heat of competitive action - he will never improve and become the player we want. |  |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 10:29 - Mar 15 with 607 views | grow_our_own |
"One poor game later and some are writing him off" - I'm not writing him off. I'm saying there's a strong chance he'll never have a right-foot or pace. Hence will never be a Prem right-10, which is what we hoped we were buying. I think Egeli can make a decent Championship-level attacker if he develops some of his natural attributes. But those natural attributes don't include a right-foot or pace.
I accept that assertions as to his ceiling as a central-10 are just conjecture. He's barely played there. The squeaky-bum end of the season isn't the time to find out. Perhaps the Premier League isn't either. Question is, will we have the ability to swallow our pride, and loan-out our record signing for another team to do our experimentation for us? Can we withstand the embarrassment? With the recent personnel changes in our recruitment team, maybe we can (old guy's fault). [Post edited 15 Mar 10:37]
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| Of course on 10:31 - Mar 15 with 601 views | Dyland |
| Great point about Furlong and mirroring the left side on 10:23 - Mar 15 by Guthrum |
I'm sure it's deliberate on McKenna's part. The effectiveness imbalance (to coin a phrase) is why we send attacks down the left more often than the right.
But if Walle Egeli does not get the chance to learn - in the full heat of competitive action - he will never improve and become the player we want. |
He's no mug innit ;)
Baptism of fire for Wallers though (Egeli not our Wallers).
Even i can see a very talented footballer there, and I hope it comes good for him at Town rather than elsewhere. | |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 10:32 - Mar 15 with 597 views | Herbivore |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 10:20 - Mar 15 by FrimleyBlue |
So youve downvoted my post where I say I dont see him a starter yet you go on about how hes done things coming on as a sub. Which i alluded to.
Hes done nothing to warrant starts herbz. When he does hes been poor.
You may have downvoted because of the u21 line.. but lets be honest. Good performing youngsters arent getting a look in but the expensive signing one does. [Post edited 15 Mar 10:23]
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Egeli scored vital opening goals against Watford and Coventry when starting so the idea that he absolutely can't start games is nonsense. He's starting games because Burns can't play every single game and McAteer has offered less than any of our other attacking options. He's had games where he's been underwhelming but he's also made important contributions in others.
And comparing him to youngsters who have yet to play any senior football is just daft. He's in the first team squad because he's good enough to be, as the other youngsters would be if they were good enough. | |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 10:34 - Mar 15 with 595 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 10:16 - Mar 15 by Herbivore |
Worth remembering it's only a week since he bagged the equaliser against Leicester and put in a very effective performance that helped swing the game decisively in our favour. One poor game later and some are writing him off. For me his potential is clear, he's got bags of technical ability and looks to be good in front of goal. His passing is very decent and he's hit some lovely cross field passes that have shown both technique and vision. His crossing isn't great and he lacks the confidence and nous to consistently go past his full back but he's not helped out there by Furlong being quite limited as an attacking foil for him. Burns manages that by having the straight line speed to knock it past the full back and go but Egeli maybe doesn't have that or isn't used to playing that way. He will get better, he's 19 and this league is a huge step up for him, but he's made some really important contributions, some of them coming at key moments and against very decent sides. He's one who'd benefit from fans not overanalyzing every single performance, he's going to be inconsistent. |
I don’t think anyone is judging him on 1 game. I don’t think Mehmeti played very well yesterday either but it’s too knee jerk to judge anyone on 45 minutes of football.
We have a decent sample size on Egeli, I don’t think he’s added a huge amount to us for the most part when he’s played. He’s had his moments, certainly, but on balance I’m not sure it’s really worked.
He certainly needs time though, it’s a massive adjustment for him and a breakthrough season, literally all players of his age run hot and cold. The bigger question for me is what the next 9 games looks like right now with Wes (potentially) out. [Post edited 15 Mar 10:35]
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 10:41 - Mar 15 with 569 views | Matt_Netherlands |
Love to know the thoughts if Tudor Mendel. Same position two years older. Tearing the U21 league apart. Top of that division. Can’t even get a spot on the bench whilst a £17m lad in his position struggles to get going….
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 10:45 - Mar 15 with 561 views | grow_our_own |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 10:41 - Mar 15 by Matt_Netherlands |
Love to know the thoughts if Tudor Mendel. Same position two years older. Tearing the U21 league apart. Top of that division. Can’t even get a spot on the bench whilst a £17m lad in his position struggles to get going….
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Terrible that it's come to this, after having spent 40m on right-10s in the past 18 months, but I think Tudor could be worth minutes, at least while Burns is injured. He's certainly not short of confidence. Sadly, his absence from the FA Cup squad makes me think he's too far from KM's consciousness right now. [Post edited 15 Mar 10:47]
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 10:45 - Mar 15 with 557 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
There is a thread about Egeli every time we play. He's a young lad, getting his first test outside of Scandinavia in one of, if not THE most competitive leagues in the world totally away from his family and everything he knows.
He's done really well to adapt so far, showed enormous strength at times yesterday, and is clearly loved by the squad who, judging by their reactions to him when he scores or assists all act as father figures to him.
We know that the squad, and the management of the club read these pages, so, although not a pop at the OP specifically, I fail to see with Egeli specifically how these constant posts each week help him, and therefore the club in anyway whatsoever. We really don't need to be repeating the same thing about a young lad each and every week. [Post edited 15 Mar 10:52]
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| "... more takes than Spielberg." on 10:45 - Mar 15 with 560 views | Dyland |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 09:07 - Mar 15 by Linners |
We can't seem to *stop* talking about Egeli. We've had more takes than Spielberg. |
Doesn't really work buh. Spielberg, especially in the earlier days, is famous for planning so meticulously to a budget they'd get it in the can quick. E.g. Duel, Jaws, and even Raiders where every shot was story-boarded (he did that with George Lucas).
More takes than, say, Kubrick, would work better.
Just saying. | |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 10:46 - Mar 15 with 535 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 10:32 - Mar 15 by Herbivore |
Egeli scored vital opening goals against Watford and Coventry when starting so the idea that he absolutely can't start games is nonsense. He's starting games because Burns can't play every single game and McAteer has offered less than any of our other attacking options. He's had games where he's been underwhelming but he's also made important contributions in others.
And comparing him to youngsters who have yet to play any senior football is just daft. He's in the first team squad because he's good enough to be, as the other youngsters would be if they were good enough. |
Hes involved because ashton forked out a sht load of money on him herbz.
We have u21s that have played against players turning out for prem first teams who dont get a sniff in all positions.
Under KM baggot who lets be honest no long academy lad.. has had bit part cup appearenfes. Humphreys got binned off on loan again. We show 0 trust in youngsters.. but not those with big fees against them. You mention 0 senior appearences. Correct. Not their fault the pathway doesnt exist.
I know youve mentioned Watford but apart from his goal. Well taken mind you from a set piece standing position. His overall contribution was poor. | |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 10:49 - Mar 15 with 554 views | GreenEye |
I think he needs to take a ball, find a wall and kick the ball against it with his right foot for an hour every day.
Also think our midfield needs to play the ball in front of our wingers to give them something to run onto | | | |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 10:54 - Mar 15 with 534 views | Guthrum |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 09:15 - Mar 15 by cbower |
I also cannot stop the thoughts of what 17 million quid might well have got us in the Number 9 position. |
I don't think spending £17m on Walle Egeli would have prevented Ipswich paying similar for a striker as well, had we been able to find and persuade the one we wanted. | |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 10:55 - Mar 15 with 538 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 10:49 - Mar 15 by GreenEye |
I think he needs to take a ball, find a wall and kick the ball against it with his right foot for an hour every day.
Also think our midfield needs to play the ball in front of our wingers to give them something to run onto |
Firstly. Bobby Robson called and wants his coaching tips back.
Secondly. How are we meant to do that when the opposition always sit on their 18 yard box and the only real pace we have on our wings hobbled off injured yesterday. | |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 11:05 - Mar 15 with 516 views | Herbivore |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 10:29 - Mar 15 by grow_our_own |
"One poor game later and some are writing him off" - I'm not writing him off. I'm saying there's a strong chance he'll never have a right-foot or pace. Hence will never be a Prem right-10, which is what we hoped we were buying. I think Egeli can make a decent Championship-level attacker if he develops some of his natural attributes. But those natural attributes don't include a right-foot or pace.
I accept that assertions as to his ceiling as a central-10 are just conjecture. He's barely played there. The squeaky-bum end of the season isn't the time to find out. Perhaps the Premier League isn't either. Question is, will we have the ability to swallow our pride, and loan-out our record signing for another team to do our experimentation for us? Can we withstand the embarrassment? With the recent personnel changes in our recruitment team, maybe we can (old guy's fault). [Post edited 15 Mar 10:37]
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Of course you're writing him off. He's 19 and playing for a promotion chasing team in the Championship and you're saying the best he can hope for is to develop into a decent Championship level players. That's writing him off and it's also plain daft. | |
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| Of course on 11:06 - Mar 15 with 511 views | Guthrum |
| Of course on 10:31 - Mar 15 by Dyland |
He's no mug innit ;)
Baptism of fire for Wallers though (Egeli not our Wallers).
Even i can see a very talented footballer there, and I hope it comes good for him at Town rather than elsewhere. |
The fact he can hold down a frequent starting place in a top-end Championship side at the age of just 19 speaks to his talent. | |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 11:10 - Mar 15 with 491 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 11:05 - Mar 15 by Herbivore |
Of course you're writing him off. He's 19 and playing for a promotion chasing team in the Championship and you're saying the best he can hope for is to develop into a decent Championship level players. That's writing him off and it's also plain daft. |
He hasnt hes saying as a right sided players the champ may be his limit. Thats ok. It may be.
I do think he should be a striker and thats where he may end up. Which is why I wouldnt be developing him in a role which doesnt suit him in English football
You look at any prem wide right players.. how many of them has egelis profile?
Plus KM has also said he doesnt see egeli playing wide in the future. So again not sure why we haven't developed him centrally.
Is that KM writing him off when he says he doesnt seem him as a wide right player? | |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 11:12 - Mar 15 with 503 views | grow_our_own |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 11:05 - Mar 15 by Herbivore |
Of course you're writing him off. He's 19 and playing for a promotion chasing team in the Championship and you're saying the best he can hope for is to develop into a decent Championship level players. That's writing him off and it's also plain daft. |
Ok, as a Prem right-10, then yes, I'm writing him off. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it. Like everyone else, I've no idea how good he can become as a central-10 (or striker for that matter), but I'm sceptical a top Championship or Prem team are in a position to spend time finding out. | | | |
| Can we talk about Egeli? (n/t) on 11:22 - Mar 15 with 482 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 11:12 - Mar 15 by grow_our_own |
Ok, as a Prem right-10, then yes, I'm writing him off. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it. Like everyone else, I've no idea how good he can become as a central-10 (or striker for that matter), but I'm sceptical a top Championship or Prem team are in a position to spend time finding out. |
Take a look at our squad, and tell me who is 'Prem', genuinely.
You'll have to ignore anyone under 22, as our whole model is developing players for trading.
Saying Sindre is 'not Prem' whilst at the same time ignoring the rest of the squad is hilarious.
We will look to get someone more 'Prem' in every position, I suspect except down our left, and Sidre will get minutes from the bench to, you know, develop him.
Edit: Just noticed your user name. That whilst putting the boot into our youngest squad player is peak irony. [Post edited 15 Mar 11:31]
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 11:30 - Mar 15 with 472 views | pointofblue |
Oh good - the weekly Egeli is crap thread (even if it wasn't the intention, it's what it invariably turns into). He gets criticism yet other players, who are older and have far more experience in English football, get nothing despite their own issues.
I said in the match day thread, and may have mentioned it on the forum before, I think the key issue is we he hasn't had a chance to grow and adapt. We probably wanted to use him like Hutchinson a couple of years ago - use him in cameos, allow him to adapt to the pace of the league slowly, then bring him in more in the new year. Unfortunately bad recruitment decisions (McAteer seemed a bad signing at the time, we may as well have kept Ogbene) means he's been pushed front and centre far earlier than we would have wanted. This, in turn, has hurt his confidence.
It sounds like Egeli was subbed at half time for tactical reasons yesterday, as there has been no mention of injury from what I've seen. For a manager who very rarely makes half time changes - even after the bad first performances against Leicester and especially Stoke when practically anyone could have hooked - that isn't going to help either. Especially now we may be relying him even more with Burns out. | |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? (n/t) on 11:35 - Mar 15 with 449 views | grow_our_own |
| Can we talk about Egeli? (n/t) on 11:22 - Mar 15 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Take a look at our squad, and tell me who is 'Prem', genuinely.
You'll have to ignore anyone under 22, as our whole model is developing players for trading.
Saying Sindre is 'not Prem' whilst at the same time ignoring the rest of the squad is hilarious.
We will look to get someone more 'Prem' in every position, I suspect except down our left, and Sidre will get minutes from the bench to, you know, develop him.
Edit: Just noticed your user name. That whilst putting the boot into our youngest squad player is peak irony. [Post edited 15 Mar 11:31]
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Like I say, I hope you're right, and I'm wrong. | | | |
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