| Can we talk about Egeli? 08:23 - Mar 15 with 6826 views | franz_tyson | I really feel for the lad and I appreciate he's scored a couple of important goals lately, but, surely, McAteer offers more down that right hand side. It's painful when we get on the front foot and the ball goes right. And then all momentum stops because Egeli has to stop and transfer the ball to his left. I'm sure confidence is part of it and he looks as if he's carrying a lot on his shoulders, but he's got to offer more as a wide man. Being taken off at HT isn't really in the McKenna playbook. Think it's time for McAteer to step up and we've got to look after Egeli a bit and take him out of the firing line. I've seen him play for Norway u21's and think he scored a hattrick and looked a worldbeater, but looks so ineffective at this level. Having said that, got 4 goals when he's not playing well so there could be a genuine goal-scorer in there.... but just looks a real weakness and so easy to defend against. |  | | |  |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 15:45 - Mar 15 with 833 views | Herbivore |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 15:41 - Mar 15 by FrimleyBlue | Sure A mixture depending on fixture Burns. Doesn't need explaining. Mcateer. Has created more opportunities and created more clear cut chances and won more duels on the air. Lower goal stat of course. Clarke.. hit and miss out right but we still know what we get with him Mehmeti can go left if needed now we have jayden back too. Further back up Johnson... actually looked solid enough on the right as an outside option. Nothing fancy but got down the line and got balls in. But thats a back up back up choice Egeli... to come on after 70 minutes when defence tired and his inside runs might ne affective if games opened up. Mendel give the fella 20 minutes. If he's sht he never gets another shot and time to let go as at 21 hes not a 'youngster' anymore and should be eitber loaned out next year or sold. But if someone is getting stats like he is against some top quality prem 2 players he deserves a shot at senior level.. whats the worst that can happen. He comes on, hes sht we take him off. If the rightside option is between egeli and mcateer imo it needs to be mcateer start and egeli comes on. Personally. Altho we tried to get another of the championships top stat players this time from millwall... we should have definitely signed a rw in january. That was a bit of a fail as much as the non striker was. |
I've defended McAteer a lot but he's managed one goal contribution all season and I'm not sure he's had one genuinely good game when starting for us. Burns is starting ahead of Walle Egeli but he can't start every week right now. You have a weird obsession with Mendel so nothing more to say on that one really. Johnson and Furlong on the right really isn't going to do much for us as an attacking force. And Clarke on the right is wasted there and hasn't offered anything when played there. [Post edited 15 Mar 15:53]
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 15:53 - Mar 15 with 789 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 15:35 - Mar 15 by Churchman | Second para - that isn’t true. He just stopped developing as a player. He was not good enough for anything more than L1 level in my view and having seen him live in just about all his home appearances and some away. His highlight was the hat trick v Watford. What he Egeli cost is totally irrelevant. If you believe that then you clearly believe Ashton picks the team and McKenna does what he’s told. I completely disagree. There’s no sinister conspiracy theory here. Just a manager who picks what he thinks is best to win a game. You said this is not about the U21s but want him bunged into them. So it is about the U21s isn’t it. He is far too good for that level. I’ve watched him up close. He’s going to be a good player and has contributed this season. His goals have come against Coventry, Blackburn, Watford and Leicester. Without them we might be worse off points wise than we are. He’s just picked on because of a fee that had nothing to do with him. We used to be supportive of young players. Those days have clearly gone. Sad really. Give the guy a break. |
Having known bowditch i can confirm he didnt just stop developing. Injuries fked him. Watching him as much as you did you'd have seen how his acceleration etc reduced drastically. What do you deem supportive? Ive staked my case with egeli of the attributes I do see and wjat I feel he will become isnt that supportive? Since day 1 I said the same thing about him and what I felt about him. ( kane role etc ) that imo is supportive. I think as.a rw hes been terrible. Thats criticism for sure but doesnt mean I dont support him as an individual. Just think hes been ill used. |  |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 15:57 - Mar 15 with 772 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 15:45 - Mar 15 by Herbivore | I've defended McAteer a lot but he's managed one goal contribution all season and I'm not sure he's had one genuinely good game when starting for us. Burns is starting ahead of Walle Egeli but he can't start every week right now. You have a weird obsession with Mendel so nothing more to say on that one really. Johnson and Furlong on the right really isn't going to do much for us as an attacking force. And Clarke on the right is wasted there and hasn't offered anything when played there. [Post edited 15 Mar 15:53]
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Yeah I mentioned the goal thing herbz. And if our strikers scored more of the chances he set up im sure you'd be saying hed had some good games. Esp his goal contribution considering hes actually provided more clear cut chances than even jayden. BTW im not saying mcateer is is good I dont rate him either. But hes better in this comparison imo. Mendel is the u21s best rw so yes I will mention him. As did someone else in this thread and im a firm believer in the u21s getting opportunities [Post edited 15 Mar 16:01]
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 16:04 - Mar 15 with 759 views | franz_tyson |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 15:35 - Mar 15 by Churchman | Second para - that isn’t true. He just stopped developing as a player. He was not good enough for anything more than L1 level in my view and having seen him live in just about all his home appearances and some away. His highlight was the hat trick v Watford. What he Egeli cost is totally irrelevant. If you believe that then you clearly believe Ashton picks the team and McKenna does what he’s told. I completely disagree. There’s no sinister conspiracy theory here. Just a manager who picks what he thinks is best to win a game. You said this is not about the U21s but want him bunged into them. So it is about the U21s isn’t it. He is far too good for that level. I’ve watched him up close. He’s going to be a good player and has contributed this season. His goals have come against Coventry, Blackburn, Watford and Leicester. Without them we might be worse off points wise than we are. He’s just picked on because of a fee that had nothing to do with him. We used to be supportive of young players. Those days have clearly gone. Sad really. Give the guy a break. |
That's really not right. So many are desperate for him to succeed. And he's not being picked on. We've pretty much all lowered the bar for him so that he put in a shift and just do the basics. This kid is struggling to do that and we didn't hook him af HT ... Kieran did. Sorry, but blaming fans who are correctly pointing out the obvious isn't an argument winner. Neither are we being mean to the kid. Love it if he scores, but I'd also love it if he skinned a full back just once or put in a great defensive shift. I've never heard one fan complain about him not scoring enough or not being a world beater.... but we're more concerned about him not doing the basics. Exaggerating his performances aren't being supportive. |  | |  |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 16:08 - Mar 15 with 743 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 16:04 - Mar 15 by franz_tyson | That's really not right. So many are desperate for him to succeed. And he's not being picked on. We've pretty much all lowered the bar for him so that he put in a shift and just do the basics. This kid is struggling to do that and we didn't hook him af HT ... Kieran did. Sorry, but blaming fans who are correctly pointing out the obvious isn't an argument winner. Neither are we being mean to the kid. Love it if he scores, but I'd also love it if he skinned a full back just once or put in a great defensive shift. I've never heard one fan complain about him not scoring enough or not being a world beater.... but we're more concerned about him not doing the basics. Exaggerating his performances aren't being supportive. |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 16:23 - Mar 15 with 726 views | SheffordBlue |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 16:04 - Mar 15 by franz_tyson | That's really not right. So many are desperate for him to succeed. And he's not being picked on. We've pretty much all lowered the bar for him so that he put in a shift and just do the basics. This kid is struggling to do that and we didn't hook him af HT ... Kieran did. Sorry, but blaming fans who are correctly pointing out the obvious isn't an argument winner. Neither are we being mean to the kid. Love it if he scores, but I'd also love it if he skinned a full back just once or put in a great defensive shift. I've never heard one fan complain about him not scoring enough or not being a world beater.... but we're more concerned about him not doing the basics. Exaggerating his performances aren't being supportive. |
I think there are lots of areas of his game where he needs to improve but his goal scoring rate is pretty much where Burns has been in his seasons with us. There's more to the game than that (and there's a clear gap in assists at the minute) but Goals Per 90: Walle Egeli - Goals 0.25 Assists 0.06 Burns 22/23 - Goals 0.22 Assists 0.33 Burns 23/24 - Goals 0.23 Assists 0.15 Burns 24/25 - Goals 0.00 Assists 0.10 Burns 25/26 - Goals 0.14 Assists 0.14 (If he'd been credited with his goal at Stoke his Goals would be 0.28) |  |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 16:26 - Mar 15 with 723 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 09:56 - Mar 15 by Churchman | I don’t think he’s anything like Steve Whitton apart from the position he is being asked to play. Whitton was 31 when he rocked up, experienced and joined a settled side. He had a reasonable degree of pace, was right footed, big and rumbustious. His control was often not that great but he piled up that side and caused mayhem. Could hit a ball too. He fitted the bill at the time. Egeli does not have the physical strength of an experienced player and does a job out wide without really ‘getting’ it. As you’d expect given age, experience, new to the country, playing in a team that plays a totally different way to Lyall’s with squad rotation. People keep raising the fee paid. What on earth has it got to do with him or the people raising it? Did they pay it? The club paid the market rate for a good prospect. I see him playing more centrally in the future. He has good vision and can pick a pass in addition to knowing where the goal is. I don’t think he’s anything like lacks confidence particularly. He doesn’t hide but his demeanour is quite deadpan, as Scandinavians sometimes are. Time, games and encouragement is all he needs. |
Absolutely this. Plus he was a key player in getting us to win the Championship. If Egeli is a Steve Whitton at 19, he will be a Ronaldo come 21! As for the idea what would £17M have bought us in a number 9? No one. I am certain that if we could have signed a £17M number 9 we would have done. It wasn't because we signed Walle Egeli that we didn't. The idea of making it an either or and then using that as a stick to beat the 19-year-old with is just crass! |  |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 16:30 - Mar 15 with 709 views | Churchman |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 16:04 - Mar 15 by franz_tyson | That's really not right. So many are desperate for him to succeed. And he's not being picked on. We've pretty much all lowered the bar for him so that he put in a shift and just do the basics. This kid is struggling to do that and we didn't hook him af HT ... Kieran did. Sorry, but blaming fans who are correctly pointing out the obvious isn't an argument winner. Neither are we being mean to the kid. Love it if he scores, but I'd also love it if he skinned a full back just once or put in a great defensive shift. I've never heard one fan complain about him not scoring enough or not being a world beater.... but we're more concerned about him not doing the basics. Exaggerating his performances aren't being supportive. |
There are those that want him to fail so they can be in their odd world proved right. Nobody has lowered any bar for anyone. And if anyone thinks that McKenna would make allowances because of age, fee, Ashton making demands or anything else that person has probably had a beer too many. He did little wrong yesterday. No he didn’t tear down the wing like JP can. He doesn’t have the pace and he’s not a winger so he’s never going to what a traditional winger does. What he can do is pick passes, control the ball, has good awareness and knows where the goal is. If he didn’t offer that he wouldn’t be in the team. Doing the basics? Depends what you define as basics. Yes, he was replaced at half time. Has McKenna said why? Defensively he has a lot to learn. He will get stronger with age and experience. He is learning but if McKenna thinks he is the best option any particular week, he probably will be. I don’t do FM25 so tend to go with the manager’s preferences. As for pointing out the obvious, if it’s obvious, why point it out? The only thing obvious is that the club paid a fee for him and I suspect that is why he is this week’s chart topper on the hate list. It wasn’t too long ago that Burns’ father asked the supporters to lay off his son. What supporters do does matter and they know it. We won yesterday. 2-0. |  | |  | Login to get fewer ads
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 16:49 - Mar 15 with 674 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 16:30 - Mar 15 by Churchman | There are those that want him to fail so they can be in their odd world proved right. Nobody has lowered any bar for anyone. And if anyone thinks that McKenna would make allowances because of age, fee, Ashton making demands or anything else that person has probably had a beer too many. He did little wrong yesterday. No he didn’t tear down the wing like JP can. He doesn’t have the pace and he’s not a winger so he’s never going to what a traditional winger does. What he can do is pick passes, control the ball, has good awareness and knows where the goal is. If he didn’t offer that he wouldn’t be in the team. Doing the basics? Depends what you define as basics. Yes, he was replaced at half time. Has McKenna said why? Defensively he has a lot to learn. He will get stronger with age and experience. He is learning but if McKenna thinks he is the best option any particular week, he probably will be. I don’t do FM25 so tend to go with the manager’s preferences. As for pointing out the obvious, if it’s obvious, why point it out? The only thing obvious is that the club paid a fee for him and I suspect that is why he is this week’s chart topper on the hate list. It wasn’t too long ago that Burns’ father asked the supporters to lay off his son. What supporters do does matter and they know it. We won yesterday. 2-0. |
Loathe, hate, game changer should sell up, you don’t half exaggerate lol. |  |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 16:54 - Mar 15 with 676 views | BlacknGoldnBlue | I can't understand why we haven't given him a run out in the 10 position or on the left just to mix things up. I think he's struggled this season with the kove and expectation but think he'll eventually settle and he a confident, effective 10 - but cant guarantee it will be with us. |  |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 16:57 - Mar 15 with 656 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 16:30 - Mar 15 by Churchman | There are those that want him to fail so they can be in their odd world proved right. Nobody has lowered any bar for anyone. And if anyone thinks that McKenna would make allowances because of age, fee, Ashton making demands or anything else that person has probably had a beer too many. He did little wrong yesterday. No he didn’t tear down the wing like JP can. He doesn’t have the pace and he’s not a winger so he’s never going to what a traditional winger does. What he can do is pick passes, control the ball, has good awareness and knows where the goal is. If he didn’t offer that he wouldn’t be in the team. Doing the basics? Depends what you define as basics. Yes, he was replaced at half time. Has McKenna said why? Defensively he has a lot to learn. He will get stronger with age and experience. He is learning but if McKenna thinks he is the best option any particular week, he probably will be. I don’t do FM25 so tend to go with the manager’s preferences. As for pointing out the obvious, if it’s obvious, why point it out? The only thing obvious is that the club paid a fee for him and I suspect that is why he is this week’s chart topper on the hate list. It wasn’t too long ago that Burns’ father asked the supporters to lay off his son. What supporters do does matter and they know it. We won yesterday. 2-0. |
It wasn’t too long ago that Burns’ father asked the supporters to lay off his son. What supporters do does matter and they know it. What they were wanting were the idiots on instagram and x to stop @ing wes directly on socials. I wouldn't call them fans. Me, i was an idiot on this forum, but mainly because i didn't think anyone related to a town player or a player himself would look at a football forum which has always since it's creation been a place people share views. Reason I mention is because it wasn't twtd that was the MAIN issue, it was a bit part of which i took responsibility and all is good there. But other socials and people tagging players in was disgusting and should never happen. There seems to be risk that you HAVE to like and rate every player. No one imo has been direct to Egeli, 99% of the posts believe he will go onto have a wonderful career. All that is being said is, we're not seeing the performances that you seem to see No one imo is waiting for him to fail. |  |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 17:29 - Mar 15 with 623 views | TIB | Arrived to the toughest league in the world as a young lad, at a club with already big expectations, those expectations raised even further with his price tag…a really tough move but no doubt (despite the hit and miss performances) he will be a better player for it in seasons to come. Still think he could end up wide left or in the 10. I’m excited to see how he develops with the club. |  |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 17:33 - Mar 15 with 610 views | pointofblue |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 14:24 - Mar 15 by FrimleyBlue | Give over wirh your full frinmers stuff herbz im allowed a personal view of the sport even if you dont agree with it, im not asking you too. https://www.fotmob.com/en-GB/p That is not a player who should be having starts in a team going for top two. You tell me If we hadn't paid what we did for him. Would you see him playing or being put into the under 21s or out on loan? BTW. As ive said before tho. I think he will end up playing the kane role in the future . He has a lot of attributes but rightside in the efl isnt suited to him imo. |
Well, I wouldn't have thought I'd see a day where you are basically agreeing with Woolfenden. |  |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 17:36 - Mar 15 with 594 views | Radlett_blue |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 16:30 - Mar 15 by Churchman | There are those that want him to fail so they can be in their odd world proved right. Nobody has lowered any bar for anyone. And if anyone thinks that McKenna would make allowances because of age, fee, Ashton making demands or anything else that person has probably had a beer too many. He did little wrong yesterday. No he didn’t tear down the wing like JP can. He doesn’t have the pace and he’s not a winger so he’s never going to what a traditional winger does. What he can do is pick passes, control the ball, has good awareness and knows where the goal is. If he didn’t offer that he wouldn’t be in the team. Doing the basics? Depends what you define as basics. Yes, he was replaced at half time. Has McKenna said why? Defensively he has a lot to learn. He will get stronger with age and experience. He is learning but if McKenna thinks he is the best option any particular week, he probably will be. I don’t do FM25 so tend to go with the manager’s preferences. As for pointing out the obvious, if it’s obvious, why point it out? The only thing obvious is that the club paid a fee for him and I suspect that is why he is this week’s chart topper on the hate list. It wasn’t too long ago that Burns’ father asked the supporters to lay off his son. What supporters do does matter and they know it. We won yesterday. 2-0. |
The relevant question to ask why we paid £17.5m for a player who currently doesn't justify a starting place in a Championship team, especially not as a right winger. Walle may make a player, but we aren't Chelsea, squandering fortunes on "store" players. If that money had been spent on a decent striker, we wouldn't be having this conversation. |  |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 17:39 - Mar 15 with 582 views | pointofblue |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 17:36 - Mar 15 by Radlett_blue | The relevant question to ask why we paid £17.5m for a player who currently doesn't justify a starting place in a Championship team, especially not as a right winger. Walle may make a player, but we aren't Chelsea, squandering fortunes on "store" players. If that money had been spent on a decent striker, we wouldn't be having this conversation. |
Because it was an attempt at buying (relatively) cheap, selling high. It may still pay off, but it's been a tough season for him, not helped by other recruitment choices made by the club. |  |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 17:40 - Mar 15 with 576 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 17:36 - Mar 15 by Radlett_blue | The relevant question to ask why we paid £17.5m for a player who currently doesn't justify a starting place in a Championship team, especially not as a right winger. Walle may make a player, but we aren't Chelsea, squandering fortunes on "store" players. If that money had been spent on a decent striker, we wouldn't be having this conversation. |
Which striker did we turn down signing because we no longer had £17M left in our transfer budget to sign them? The link Frimley shared above shows Egeli has increased in value, averaged a 6.71 performance rating, is in the top 5 percentile for taking shots for players in his position, and scores more than the average number of goals for them too. He clearly wasn't signed to start regularly for us - he has made a total of 18 starts partly because of injuries to others and the fact he is consistently fit. Defensively he is solid for a player in his position and that isn't to be ignored either. This constant narrative that his fee stopped us signing some mystery number 9 is tedious. |  |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 17:42 - Mar 15 with 562 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 17:40 - Mar 15 by Nthsuffolkblue | Which striker did we turn down signing because we no longer had £17M left in our transfer budget to sign them? The link Frimley shared above shows Egeli has increased in value, averaged a 6.71 performance rating, is in the top 5 percentile for taking shots for players in his position, and scores more than the average number of goals for them too. He clearly wasn't signed to start regularly for us - he has made a total of 18 starts partly because of injuries to others and the fact he is consistently fit. Defensively he is solid for a player in his position and that isn't to be ignored either. This constant narrative that his fee stopped us signing some mystery number 9 is tedious. |
We put a huge bid in for Azeez so it didn’t stop any other bids. |  |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 17:42 - Mar 15 with 567 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 17:39 - Mar 15 by pointofblue | Because it was an attempt at buying (relatively) cheap, selling high. It may still pay off, but it's been a tough season for him, not helped by other recruitment choices made by the club. |
Has it been any tougher than last season was for Clarke and Philogene? Why did people seem to think he was going to be the finished article at 19? And, if they did, why did they think he was signing for us and not Man City? |  |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 17:44 - Mar 15 with 556 views | Blue_Heath | Where does he play for U21, not sure we are playing him in his best or favoured position are we? |  |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 17:46 - Mar 15 with 541 views | pointofblue |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 17:42 - Mar 15 by Nthsuffolkblue | Has it been any tougher than last season was for Clarke and Philogene? Why did people seem to think he was going to be the finished article at 19? And, if they did, why did they think he was signing for us and not Man City? |
And I still think Clarke and Philogene blow hot and cold when starting this season. Particularly Clarke. Both of these have far more experience at this level, and what is expected from McKenna, than Egeli. |  |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 10:28 - Mar 16 with 400 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 17:46 - Mar 15 by pointofblue | And I still think Clarke and Philogene blow hot and cold when starting this season. Particularly Clarke. Both of these have far more experience at this level, and what is expected from McKenna, than Egeli. |
I've been surprised by his lack of dynamism I have to say. I thought we were signing a fairly pacey ball carrier, a strong runner that could go past players but that really doesn't look to be his game. In fact he's the opposite of that. He's very languid in style. I am not sure what he is learning playing on that right side either when McKenna himself says he will be a 10 eventually. [Post edited 16 Mar 10:31]
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 10:35 - Mar 16 with 384 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 17:42 - Mar 15 by Nthsuffolkblue | Has it been any tougher than last season was for Clarke and Philogene? Why did people seem to think he was going to be the finished article at 19? And, if they did, why did they think he was signing for us and not Man City? |
Don't think anyone feels he should be a finished article. But think it's fair to expect better than he's put in considering he keeps getting selected and hasn't looked like he's improved through the season. That's the issue really tbh that I think most people feel. People compare him to omari, yet omari started off raw, but you saw him develop as the season progressed, he ended up being a big part of why we got promoted. Egeli hasn't really improved, there hasn't really been any games where people have come on and said.. that was a good overall performance. |  |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 11:26 - Mar 16 with 346 views | Herbivore |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 10:35 - Mar 16 by FrimleyBlue | Don't think anyone feels he should be a finished article. But think it's fair to expect better than he's put in considering he keeps getting selected and hasn't looked like he's improved through the season. That's the issue really tbh that I think most people feel. People compare him to omari, yet omari started off raw, but you saw him develop as the season progressed, he ended up being a big part of why we got promoted. Egeli hasn't really improved, there hasn't really been any games where people have come on and said.. that was a good overall performance. |
People were saying he had a good game a week and a half ago after he scored against Leicester and put in a good performance. |  |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 11:38 - Mar 16 with 322 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 11:26 - Mar 16 by Herbivore | People were saying he had a good game a week and a half ago after he scored against Leicester and put in a good performance. |
Did they?, i've seen he played ok when coming on ( not starting which was my main point remember) can't recall any threads being made to point how good he was. Was a nice goal though. well hit and reminded me of omaris v ( west brom? ) might have been preston can't quite remember what team. [Post edited 16 Mar 11:39]
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 11:47 - Mar 16 with 308 views | BseaBlue |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 11:26 - Mar 16 by Herbivore | People were saying he had a good game a week and a half ago after he scored against Leicester and put in a good performance. |
I think it is fair to accept inconsistency from a young lad learning his trade in an incredibly tough division. Having said that, there are genuine concerns for me about his overall game. I find the cutting in very predictable and I'm not sure he has put many performances in where I have thought, wow.....This is what we paid £17 million quid for. He appears to lack pace to be able to get at his man. I don't think he is suited to a wide role at all and think he will end up as a 9, but we still persist in trying to play him there. I suppose we have to remember that we didn't pay the record fee just for the here and now, but it is a little concerning not to be seeing too many signs of what the future might hold. |  | |  |
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