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Spot on from Palace fan... on 20:01 - Mar 16 by jasondozzell
Nine years ago
I watched the second half of Liverpool Spurs yesterday afternoon on TV. Anfield used to be a seething cauldron of noise back in the day. You could have heard a moth fart at 50 yards there yesterday. Cameras panning in on gaggles of football tourists with their mobile phones with inane grins. Feckin depressing. I replied on a different thread the other day that I’m rapidly falling out of love with football. A little bit more died yesterday.
We have no village green, or a shop.
It's very, very quiet.
I can walk to the pub.
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Spot on from Palace fan... on 20:27 - Mar 16 with 1265 views
I watched the second half of Liverpool Spurs yesterday afternoon on TV. Anfield used to be a seething cauldron of noise back in the day. You could have heard a moth fart at 50 yards there yesterday. Cameras panning in on gaggles of football tourists with their mobile phones with inane grins. Feckin depressing. I replied on a different thread the other day that I’m rapidly falling out of love with football. A little bit more died yesterday.
Yeah. It's really hard to take when you remember how things used to be.
The saturation of coverage doesn't help either.
I remember watching Champions League on ITV in the 90s/early 00s and it was so exciting.
Games like United Arsenal were huge - atmosphere came crashing out of the TV.
Now as much as they try and hype things it's obvious it's faltering.
Real Madrid v City...meh.
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Spot on from Palace fan... on 20:32 - Mar 16 with 1240 views
I watched the second half of Liverpool Spurs yesterday afternoon on TV. Anfield used to be a seething cauldron of noise back in the day. You could have heard a moth fart at 50 yards there yesterday. Cameras panning in on gaggles of football tourists with their mobile phones with inane grins. Feckin depressing. I replied on a different thread the other day that I’m rapidly falling out of love with football. A little bit more died yesterday.
That said, I don’t think it’s true that grounds were louder back in the day, certainly if you watch any old match of the days from the 70s and 80s the fans weren’t constantly singing. I think part of the issue is changing demographics of crowds: what was once male working class dominated has now shifted to more middle class and more women going. Add in tourists and it dilutes the atmosphere.
And the other issue is there are now more live TV games than ever before. It’s way beyond saturation point. We’ve gone from twice a week hour-long highlights show to multiple games live 7 days a week. Football doesn’t seem magical or special any more. Add in the cancer of social media and vloggers and endless juvenile bantering and it’s all a bit rubbish.
Spot on from Palace fan... on 20:32 - Mar 16 by Illinoisblue
That said, I don’t think it’s true that grounds were louder back in the day, certainly if you watch any old match of the days from the 70s and 80s the fans weren’t constantly singing. I think part of the issue is changing demographics of crowds: what was once male working class dominated has now shifted to more middle class and more women going. Add in tourists and it dilutes the atmosphere.
And the other issue is there are now more live TV games than ever before. It’s way beyond saturation point. We’ve gone from twice a week hour-long highlights show to multiple games live 7 days a week. Football doesn’t seem magical or special any more. Add in the cancer of social media and vloggers and endless juvenile bantering and it’s all a bit rubbish.
Fa cup final day is a prime example of the changes in football
What a day the cup final used to be. Hours of pre game stuff. The game. Then the celebrations etc.
Spot on from Palace fan... on 19:23 - Mar 16 by bluelagos
Spot on.
And be under no illusions, Towen are on the exact same trajectory with our management seemingly disinterested in engaging with Blue Order but wholly focused on the light shows/ hospitality opportunities / corporate bollox.
Still nothing on safe standing from Ashton whilst he bangs on about elite performance at every opportunity. We are becoming a club detached from traditional football much like the ones described in the post.
Depressing to be honest but with owners who are basically venture capitalists out to maximise their investment with zero understanding of footballs traditions we need to be vocal imho in expressing our views because relying on Ashton to do right by us is unlikely to result in anything more than more of the same.
Hospitality opportunities and corporate bollox drives the revenues that brings in the quality of players we have now.
Do you get all misty eyed at the days under Marcus Evans when the greound was a shit hole and we were shopping around for free transfers?
Football and the experience has evolved over the decades. When I started going to Portman road I stood on a drinks crate at the wall of the west stand. By half time the piss started running down the steps.
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Spot on from Palace fan... on 20:53 - Mar 16 by GlasgowBlue
Hospitality opportunities and corporate bollox drives the revenues that brings in the quality of players we have now.
Do you get all misty eyed at the days under Marcus Evans when the greound was a shit hole and we were shopping around for free transfers?
Football and the experience has evolved over the decades. When I started going to Portman road I stood on a drinks crate at the wall of the west stand. By half time the piss started running down the steps.
I'm not actually advocating removing toilets Glassers, just the club prioritising the match day atmosphere over the tourist model that you seem happy with.
The fans in the 70/80s kept football alive when most of the corporate prawn munchers wouldn't have come near Portman Rd. They'll be following town long after it's no longer fashionable too.
Spot on from Palace fan... on 21:01 - Mar 16 by bluelagos
I'm not actually advocating removing toilets Glassers, just the club prioritising the match day atmosphere over the tourist model that you seem happy with.
The fans in the 70/80s kept football alive when most of the corporate prawn munchers wouldn't have come near Portman Rd. They'll be following town long after it's no longer fashionable too.
There is room for both. I first started going as a young boy in 1974. I'll be going as long as I am healthy to do so.
My son has been going since he was 7. He's 26 now. His match day experience and the facilities are far superior to those that I experienced, even of the football isn't (I had the Robson years).
Without the funding from corporate, Fabio, Sheeran etc we won't be competing and our club wouldn't be attractive to the "venture capitalists".
I don't want to end up like Sheffield Wednesday or Blackpool.
Speaking of Wednesday, I recall 4 years ago going to Hillsborough with my Mrs. We had a couple of beers with Steve M and Mullet. Then when we wnt to the ground we were herded in like animals and I always remember what my Mrs said.
She couldn't square the circle with a cultured man (with apologies to Mullet I'm sure she was talking about Steve M) being herded like cattle to watch a game of football.
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Spot on from Palace fan... on 19:49 - Mar 16 by TRUE_BLUE123
I absolutely loathe the pre match build up for our games. The bloke on the mic is irritating beyond belief, the fire cannons, smoke machines is just ridiculous.
Let's cut all the loud music and have the fans make some noise and get rid of Hey Jude as well please.
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Dave Vant, the stadium announcer has a diamond earring in each ear and drives an Audi Q4. I've often thought I must be in the wrong job.
I watched the second half of Liverpool Spurs yesterday afternoon on TV. Anfield used to be a seething cauldron of noise back in the day. You could have heard a moth fart at 50 yards there yesterday. Cameras panning in on gaggles of football tourists with their mobile phones with inane grins. Feckin depressing. I replied on a different thread the other day that I’m rapidly falling out of love with football. A little bit more died yesterday.
Likewise, as I really am falling out with the 'modern' game as it is. I pay a subscription to paramount + to be able to watch Town and still signed up to Peacock which showed us in the Premier League last season. Already, at least 2 games this season I've chosen another sport over watching Town which I'm still coming to terms with!! First were the Curling games in the Winter Olympics and second were the Six Nations. I was a season ticket holder before leaving the UK almost 25 years ago. My last away game was the Inter Milan, and my first home game in the early 60s. There at Wembley 78 and Amsterdam 82 and the play off final 2001. My point is, that I really don't have any desire to visit Portman Road if I ever made a visit to the Town I grew up in. I'll still be a Town fan from afar though!
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Spot on from Palace fan... on 21:33 - Mar 16 with 1056 views
Spot on from Palace fan... on 21:14 - Mar 16 by GlasgowBlue
There is room for both. I first started going as a young boy in 1974. I'll be going as long as I am healthy to do so.
My son has been going since he was 7. He's 26 now. His match day experience and the facilities are far superior to those that I experienced, even of the football isn't (I had the Robson years).
Without the funding from corporate, Fabio, Sheeran etc we won't be competing and our club wouldn't be attractive to the "venture capitalists".
I don't want to end up like Sheffield Wednesday or Blackpool.
Speaking of Wednesday, I recall 4 years ago going to Hillsborough with my Mrs. We had a couple of beers with Steve M and Mullet. Then when we wnt to the ground we were herded in like animals and I always remember what my Mrs said.
She couldn't square the circle with a cultured man (with apologies to Mullet I'm sure she was talking about Steve M) being herded like cattle to watch a game of football.
So obviously the world has moved on from the 70s and in lots of good ways. But your comment that there is 'room for both' highlights it for me.
I literally see nothing from Ashton, from the owners and from the club in attempting to improve the atmosphere, and everything on moving the club to the tourist model the guy in the OP is refering to.
We have spent millions on the team, on the training facilities, on the stadium, on developing hospitality, on our coaching and our academy....but what have we spent on improving our atmosphere?
Where's the engagement with Blue Action? Youngsters doing all they can and we stick them in a corner of a side stand ffs. We should be engaging with them and doing all we can to get them leading the match day singing etc.
Away days, why can't we have like a block of 200 seats for them all together so they're not spread out? That would take Ashton and co to engage yet all we get is coffee mug montages and still no action.
There was a lot for Ashton and gamechanger to do, I get that and they've done a lot. But they've done so little on the atmosphere and it's really time for them to stop hiding behind the state of the club pre gamechanger and address the sterile match days.
Spot on from Palace fan... on 19:41 - Mar 16 by FrimleyBlue
Even watching on tele its so cringe when that fella starts screaming.
BTW.. can I ask those who go.
Jeremiah brown song. Does it kill the atmosphere as much as it comes across on television?
Before the game the weird mix of that and hey jude just seems a bit pants and the jey jude doesnt sound as loud now.
But after the game it comes on and it just sounds really pants.
Does it feel different in the stands?
I recall when the Jeremiah Brown song first came out, in the late sixties or early seventies it seemed that the club were intent on phasing out "Keep right on to the end of the road". That was also a recorded effort, sung by the Scottish entertainer Harry Lauder from 1926. The crowd would similarly sing along (Birmingham still use it). The reception for Jeremiah was pretty lukewarm, and it was dropped fairly quickly. It seemed inauthentic to me as a kid, and I don't feel much different about it now, except that time has added its own cobwebs in the shape of scarves and rattles etc. The best that can be said about it is that it's our very own naff.
Spot on from Palace fan... on 21:44 - Mar 16 by monty_radio
I recall when the Jeremiah Brown song first came out, in the late sixties or early seventies it seemed that the club were intent on phasing out "Keep right on to the end of the road". That was also a recorded effort, sung by the Scottish entertainer Harry Lauder from 1926. The crowd would similarly sing along (Birmingham still use it). The reception for Jeremiah was pretty lukewarm, and it was dropped fairly quickly. It seemed inauthentic to me as a kid, and I don't feel much different about it now, except that time has added its own cobwebs in the shape of scarves and rattles etc. The best that can be said about it is that it's our very own naff.
Early 70's. But I don't recall ever hearing it when I started going in '74. We had 'Keep Right On To The End Of The Road' and " The Blaydon Races'. With 'Entry of the Gladiators' as the team came on.
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Spot on from Palace fan... on 20:53 - Mar 16 by GlasgowBlue
Hospitality opportunities and corporate bollox drives the revenues that brings in the quality of players we have now.
Do you get all misty eyed at the days under Marcus Evans when the greound was a shit hole and we were shopping around for free transfers?
Football and the experience has evolved over the decades. When I started going to Portman road I stood on a drinks crate at the wall of the west stand. By half time the piss started running down the steps.
Spot on.. some people just don’t like change, with the exception of babies with shit@y nappies .. last season in the championship the atmosphere was electric at times and even a few of the early prem games last season.. and people were still having pies and pints and popping down early for beers at half time. I’d say the brand of football most teams have adopted kills the atmosphere off.
Edit.. also the stupid kick off days and times..
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Spot on from Palace fan... on 22:01 - Mar 16 with 962 views
Spot on from Palace fan... on 21:49 - Mar 16 by GlasgowBlue
Early 70's. But I don't recall ever hearing it when I started going in '74. We had 'Keep Right On To The End Of The Road' and " The Blaydon Races'. With 'Entry of the Gladiators' as the team came on.
I remember being quite surprised as a kid that when the circus came to town they used Entry of the Gladiators for the entry parade. I thought they'd nicked it from us!
It was inevitable the yanks would eventually pile in, sanitise (this word has a red line under it on my computer because it's spelled incorrectly according to the yanks) it all to make money. Free market capitalism innit.
Nothing is sacred and nothing is safe. Literally nothing. Not our national sport, not our institutions, not democracy, not human creativity or even thought.
This is a great book for anyone who gives a fook about sovereignty and self determination.
Spot on from Palace fan... on 19:49 - Mar 16 by TRUE_BLUE123
I absolutely loathe the pre match build up for our games. The bloke on the mic is irritating beyond belief, the fire cannons, smoke machines is just ridiculous.
Let's cut all the loud music and have the fans make some noise and get rid of Hey Jude as well please.
[Post edited 16 Mar 19:49]
Could be worse could have a bubble machine pitch side
Spot on from Palace fan... on 19:39 - Mar 16 by J2BLUE
Yep, 100%.
Not sure what can be done about it. As soon as one team chases an income stream the rest follow.
Maybe in 20-30 years teams will abandon their stadiums for a state of the art arena with 1000 cameras for VAR and a choice of 20 virtual seats to watch with your VR headset.
Robots and AI doing 90% of jobs and the rest of us on UBI. No two games in the league kicking off at the same time as they are staggered for maximum exposure. Massive deals with Budweiser and Doritos as they look to increase sales to viewers at home.
Sky introducing the Full Kit W@nker Superfan package where Tarquin from Weybridge can have a virtual ST at his favourite eight Premier League clubs with a replica shirt for all of them. Built in interactive social media because who doesn't want to see what BigJohn1992 from Aberdeen thinks of the opening 10 minutes of Arsenal vs Chelsea? 'Support both teems, hope itz draw lmfao'.
Like and subscribe to the interactive match stream thread for your chance to win an NFT signed virtually by your clubs e-sports captain.
Similarly this Forest fan. Whilst we of course want to be promoted, I think we've also come to appreciate how the EFL is in many ways a better experience.
Incidentally, Hiltco (the Palace fan from the OP) is sitting to her left.
Spot on from Palace fan... on 22:40 - Mar 16 by ParisBlue
Similarly this Forest fan. Whilst we of course want to be promoted, I think we've also come to appreciate how the EFL is in many ways a better experience.
Incidentally, Hiltco (the Palace fan from the OP) is sitting to her left.
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Her dad used to be my PE teacher in Ipswich, good bloke.
Spot on from Palace fan... on 20:53 - Mar 16 by GlasgowBlue
Hospitality opportunities and corporate bollox drives the revenues that brings in the quality of players we have now.
Do you get all misty eyed at the days under Marcus Evans when the greound was a shit hole and we were shopping around for free transfers?
Football and the experience has evolved over the decades. When I started going to Portman road I stood on a drinks crate at the wall of the west stand. By half time the piss started running down the steps.
Do you ever get anything right!
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
I watched the second half of Liverpool Spurs yesterday afternoon on TV. Anfield used to be a seething cauldron of noise back in the day. You could have heard a moth fart at 50 yards there yesterday. Cameras panning in on gaggles of football tourists with their mobile phones with inane grins. Feckin depressing. I replied on a different thread the other day that I’m rapidly falling out of love with football. A little bit more died yesterday.
Anfield last year was a thoroughly disillusioning experience, once the tourist experience anthem was sung at the start of the game that was it!
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
We don't seem to have the fans forums much anymore to raise issues like this with MA. I think even though we are 3rd, many would also like to talk to KM about style of play etc, but it's like the club don't want him to be questioned in this way. When things were going really well, we had then very often.
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Spot on from Palace fan... on 23:49 - Mar 16 with 685 views
Spot on from Palace fan... on 21:33 - Mar 16 by bluelagos
So obviously the world has moved on from the 70s and in lots of good ways. But your comment that there is 'room for both' highlights it for me.
I literally see nothing from Ashton, from the owners and from the club in attempting to improve the atmosphere, and everything on moving the club to the tourist model the guy in the OP is refering to.
We have spent millions on the team, on the training facilities, on the stadium, on developing hospitality, on our coaching and our academy....but what have we spent on improving our atmosphere?
Where's the engagement with Blue Action? Youngsters doing all they can and we stick them in a corner of a side stand ffs. We should be engaging with them and doing all we can to get them leading the match day singing etc.
Away days, why can't we have like a block of 200 seats for them all together so they're not spread out? That would take Ashton and co to engage yet all we get is coffee mug montages and still no action.
There was a lot for Ashton and gamechanger to do, I get that and they've done a lot. But they've done so little on the atmosphere and it's really time for them to stop hiding behind the state of the club pre gamechanger and address the sterile match days.
[Post edited 16 Mar 21:37]
I was whinging to Steve_M about the state of moden football the the other week, maybe you too.
It's so, well, strange at PR now; there is no incentive to get in the ground early, and, frankly, people have been going down early for beers for pretty much forever. At times under Mick and Lambert, you'd go down after 25 mins and not come back, but that's perhaps another story.
The 'light show' they have before the evening games is *utter* sh1t - is Ashton next to the fusebox flicking all the switches with his big ruler, that he otherwise waves at John Busby?
The flame-throwers, also rubbish. The fact that the ground now looks like an Audi showroom, rubbish; that hyperactive school disco DJ shouting 'BLOOOOO ARMUUUUYYY' after binging on MAOM bars; complete rubbish; the bored lads in their high-viz jackets adding needless minutes into getting into one of the safest football grounds in Europe.... yeah, you get the picture.
It really shouldn't be that difficult to cultivate an atmosphere, and yet all of this Temu-manufactured dross that Ashton forces upon us, does precisely nothing to get the crowd excited.
Get Blue Action on the case, is the obvious answer - but there's no money in that, is there, Mark?
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