| Remember that crazy AFCON final not that long ago… 21:47 - Mar 17 with 1910 views | SitfcB |
It’s just got crazier 
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| Remember that crazy AFCON final not that long ago… on 22:11 - Mar 17 with 1655 views | FrimleyBlue |
Would lost bets now become winners? |  |
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| Remember that crazy AFCON final not that long ago… on 22:16 - Mar 17 with 1635 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Remember that crazy AFCON final not that long ago… on 22:11 - Mar 17 by FrimleyBlue |
Would lost bets now become winners? |
Can we get the Leicester and Stoke results overturned? |  |
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| Remember that crazy AFCON final not that long ago… on 22:19 - Mar 17 with 1603 views | Dubtractor |
What an absolute farce. |  |
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| Remember that crazy AFCON final not that long ago… on 22:19 - Mar 17 with 1603 views | SitfcB |
| Remember that crazy AFCON final not that long ago… on 22:11 - Mar 17 by FrimleyBlue |
Would lost bets now become winners? |
Probably not.
Can only imagine Paddy Power may do their justice pay out gimmick thing. | |
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| Remember that crazy AFCON final not that long ago… on 22:28 - Mar 17 with 1538 views | rkc123 |
I thought this at the time, I felt for Senegal given those refereeing decisions, but you can't just leave the pitch for over 15 minutes and then come back and carry on. As I said I think the vast majority of people watching would have agreed those two decisions towards the end were harsh, but ultimately they were just dubious refereeing decisions, which as we've found recently do happen from time to time. So to set a precedent that a team can leave the pitch like that and then just come back when they fancy would be pretty bad for world football. [Post edited 17 Mar 22:29]
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| Remember that crazy AFCON final not that long ago… on 22:35 - Mar 17 with 1456 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Remember that crazy AFCON final not that long ago… on 22:28 - Mar 17 by rkc123 |
I thought this at the time, I felt for Senegal given those refereeing decisions, but you can't just leave the pitch for over 15 minutes and then come back and carry on. As I said I think the vast majority of people watching would have agreed those two decisions towards the end were harsh, but ultimately they were just dubious refereeing decisions, which as we've found recently do happen from time to time. So to set a precedent that a team can leave the pitch like that and then just come back when they fancy would be pretty bad for world football. [Post edited 17 Mar 22:29]
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| Remember that crazy AFCON final not that long ago… on 22:50 - Mar 17 with 1412 views | rkc123 |
| Remember that crazy AFCON final not that long ago… on 22:35 - Mar 17 by Cafe_Newman |
Is there anything worse for world football than FIFA? |
Well no, this decision wasn't made by FIFA though. I more mean the basic idea of leaving the pitch because you disagree with decisions can't be acceptable at any level of football | | | |
| Remember that crazy AFCON final not that long ago… on 05:26 - Mar 18 with 1126 views | mellowblue |
| Remember that crazy AFCON final not that long ago… on 22:28 - Mar 17 by rkc123 |
I thought this at the time, I felt for Senegal given those refereeing decisions, but you can't just leave the pitch for over 15 minutes and then come back and carry on. As I said I think the vast majority of people watching would have agreed those two decisions towards the end were harsh, but ultimately they were just dubious refereeing decisions, which as we've found recently do happen from time to time. So to set a precedent that a team can leave the pitch like that and then just come back when they fancy would be pretty bad for world football. [Post edited 17 Mar 22:29]
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It was purely a tactical trick so is a correct decision. You would get away with it if the cause was something like violence or racism related. I suppose Senegal would say they were trying to de-fuse a situation by dragging the players off to cool off, as it had rather got out of hand. | | | |
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| Remember that crazy AFCON final not that long ago… on 07:44 - Mar 18 with 976 views | Keno |
| Remember that crazy AFCON final not that long ago… on 22:16 - Mar 17 by GlasgowBlue |
Can we get the Leicester and Stoke results overturned? |
what about the 1975 cup semi final replay? |  |
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| Remember that crazy AFCON final not that long ago… on 08:01 - Mar 18 with 954 views | Guthrum |
The Ref should have put an ultimatum on it at the time, if they didn't return within X minutes, the match would be forfeit.
I feel a bit for the one Senegal player - think it was Mane - who did remain on the pitch furiously trying to get his team back out.
But the blame has primarily to lie on the Senegalese Manager who, instead of imposing discipline and renewing the fight, threw a tantrum and made made the situation ten times worse. |  |
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| Remember that crazy AFCON final not that long ago… on 08:50 - Mar 18 with 886 views | SitfcB |
| Remember that crazy AFCON final not that long ago… on 22:28 - Mar 17 by rkc123 |
I thought this at the time, I felt for Senegal given those refereeing decisions, but you can't just leave the pitch for over 15 minutes and then come back and carry on. As I said I think the vast majority of people watching would have agreed those two decisions towards the end were harsh, but ultimately they were just dubious refereeing decisions, which as we've found recently do happen from time to time. So to set a precedent that a team can leave the pitch like that and then just come back when they fancy would be pretty bad for world football. [Post edited 17 Mar 22:29]
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But if that were the case the ref shouldn’t abandoned the game. As it were they did come back out at the game was completed. Can’t go changing it now IMO. Had the game been abandoned then there would be a case. | |
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| Remember that crazy AFCON final not that long ago… on 09:37 - Mar 18 with 805 views | BseaBlue |
| Remember that crazy AFCON final not that long ago… on 08:50 - Mar 18 by SitfcB |
But if that were the case the ref shouldn’t abandoned the game. As it were they did come back out at the game was completed. Can’t go changing it now IMO. Had the game been abandoned then there would be a case. |
It sets a very dangerous precedent if you let a team get away with something like that so I kind of get the thinking behind the decision.
The whole thing was a complete sh1t show though and the ref probably should have just called it when they walked off in the first instance. |  | | |
| Remember that crazy AFCON final not that long ago… on 10:02 - Mar 18 with 761 views | wischip |
They should get Busby to look at that AFCON game again. See if there's something more he can pin on Ipswich. |  | | |
| Remember that crazy AFCON final not that long ago… on 10:19 - Mar 18 with 725 views | Libero |
I guess now FIFA are out here associating with fascists in the open, they've no problem just doing a bit of corruption in plain sight. |  | | |
| Remember that crazy AFCON final not that long ago… on 10:54 - Mar 18 with 666 views | HighgateBlue |
| Remember that crazy AFCON final not that long ago… on 22:28 - Mar 17 by rkc123 |
I thought this at the time, I felt for Senegal given those refereeing decisions, but you can't just leave the pitch for over 15 minutes and then come back and carry on. As I said I think the vast majority of people watching would have agreed those two decisions towards the end were harsh, but ultimately they were just dubious refereeing decisions, which as we've found recently do happen from time to time. So to set a precedent that a team can leave the pitch like that and then just come back when they fancy would be pretty bad for world football. [Post edited 17 Mar 22:29]
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I agree entirely. Much sympathy with Senegal for the refereeing decisions, but the regulations of the tournament are clear. Reg 82 says that if the team leaves the field and refuses to play, it is eliminated, and reg 84 says that it loses the game 3-0 in those circumstances. If those rules had been criticised in this forum before the tournament, I would think most people would support them. You have to abide by decisions of the ref even if you think they suck.
I don't know whether they have any kind of racism protocol which allows a team to leave the field in certain circumstances with permission, but even if so, there has to be an arbiter of such situations, and it has to be the ref (or some other appointed official who is there in person).
It seems pretty clear that they did leave the field and refuse to play, they did so without the referee's permission, and accordingly the consequences under the regulations seem unavoidable.
What I do not know is whether reg 82 is a matter on which the ref has jurisdiction to rule at the time of the match, or not. If it is, and the ref missed the point, then we're into the territory of reversing referees' decisions, and one might ask where it ends - do we get our penalty back that we were denied? etc etc.
But ultimately I don't think reg 82 is a silly rule, and it's clearly been applied accurately. The mistakes appear to be (i) the referee making harsh or erroneous on pitch decisions (it happens), (ii) Senegal refusing to play the game (perhaps in ignorance of reg 82), and (iii) the ref letting them carry on again after they were eliminated by reg 82 (assuming that was a matter in respect of which the ref had jurisdiction at the time).
In cricket, if you're given out, you walk. Even if it's a dodgy call. You mutter whatever you like. But your team refusing to play is not the right way to deal with it, and when the rules create clear and seemingly non-discretionary outcomes, it's best to know the rules. |  | | |
| Remember that crazy AFCON final not that long ago… on 10:57 - Mar 18 with 649 views | DanTheMan |
I know VAR can take a while but this is taking the piss. |  |
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| Remember that crazy AFCON final not that long ago… on 11:06 - Mar 18 with 634 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Remember that crazy AFCON final not that long ago… on 10:57 - Mar 18 by DanTheMan |
I know VAR can take a while but this is taking the piss. |
All back to Portman Road in May to watch Jack Clarke score the penalty against Leicester that we are eventually awarded. | |
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| Remember that crazy AFCON final not that long ago… on 11:48 - Mar 18 with 575 views | rkc123 |
| Remember that crazy AFCON final not that long ago… on 08:50 - Mar 18 by SitfcB |
But if that were the case the ref shouldn’t abandoned the game. As it were they did come back out at the game was completed. Can’t go changing it now IMO. Had the game been abandoned then there would be a case. |
Yes I agree with that, I couldn't believe they continued the game at the time. I imagine they thought the farce of having a team forfeit the final of the tournament was too much to bare, but obviously changing the result a couple of months later is far far worse. | | | |
| Remember that crazy AFCON final not that long ago… on 13:37 - Mar 18 with 481 views | LeoMuff |
| Remember that crazy AFCON final not that long ago… on 10:54 - Mar 18 by HighgateBlue |
I agree entirely. Much sympathy with Senegal for the refereeing decisions, but the regulations of the tournament are clear. Reg 82 says that if the team leaves the field and refuses to play, it is eliminated, and reg 84 says that it loses the game 3-0 in those circumstances. If those rules had been criticised in this forum before the tournament, I would think most people would support them. You have to abide by decisions of the ref even if you think they suck.
I don't know whether they have any kind of racism protocol which allows a team to leave the field in certain circumstances with permission, but even if so, there has to be an arbiter of such situations, and it has to be the ref (or some other appointed official who is there in person).
It seems pretty clear that they did leave the field and refuse to play, they did so without the referee's permission, and accordingly the consequences under the regulations seem unavoidable.
What I do not know is whether reg 82 is a matter on which the ref has jurisdiction to rule at the time of the match, or not. If it is, and the ref missed the point, then we're into the territory of reversing referees' decisions, and one might ask where it ends - do we get our penalty back that we were denied? etc etc.
But ultimately I don't think reg 82 is a silly rule, and it's clearly been applied accurately. The mistakes appear to be (i) the referee making harsh or erroneous on pitch decisions (it happens), (ii) Senegal refusing to play the game (perhaps in ignorance of reg 82), and (iii) the ref letting them carry on again after they were eliminated by reg 82 (assuming that was a matter in respect of which the ref had jurisdiction at the time).
In cricket, if you're given out, you walk. Even if it's a dodgy call. You mutter whatever you like. But your team refusing to play is not the right way to deal with it, and when the rules create clear and seemingly non-discretionary outcomes, it's best to know the rules. |
It’s still dodgy ground firstly did they leave and refuse to play ? Secondly not all of there players did leave the field, thirdly there are other precedents where teams have left and not forfeited the game.
Sounds like there were other things at play apparently the Senegal second keeper was wrestled to the ground by three ball boys when trying to stop them taking the keepers towel to dry the ball during the game. It’s a shambles no doubt |  |
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| Remember that crazy AFCON final not that long ago… on 16:15 - Mar 18 with 365 views | MK1 |
The correct decision. Should have been made the minute they walked off. Glad it was overturned, but should have been done the second they walked off. Better late than never. |  |
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| Remember that crazy AFCON final not that long ago… on 17:03 - Mar 18 with 323 views | Radlett_blue |
| Remember that crazy AFCON final not that long ago… on 22:11 - Mar 17 by FrimleyBlue |
Would lost bets now become winners? |
Good luck with collecting from your bookmaker. |  |
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| Remember that crazy AFCON final not that long ago… on 17:08 - Mar 18 with 304 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Remember that crazy AFCON final not that long ago… on 10:02 - Mar 18 by wischip |
They should get Busby to look at that AFCON game again. See if there's something more he can pin on Ipswich. |
I reckon we deserve at least a 6 points deduction just for discussing it. In line with other transgressions, like Chelsea…oh |  |
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| Remember that crazy AFCON final not that long ago… on 17:17 - Mar 18 with 291 views | Crock |
| Remember that crazy AFCON final not that long ago… on 10:19 - Mar 18 by Libero |
I guess now FIFA are out here associating with fascists in the open, they've no problem just doing a bit of corruption in plain sight. |
This is CAF not FIFA though. |  |
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