| Kanye West 14:28 - Mar 31 with 5675 views | GlasgowBlue |
is set to headline all three nights of Wireless festival this year, here in the UK.
I assume every anti racist will be boycotting these concerts. |  |
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| Kanye West on 10:51 - Apr 6 with 1041 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Kanye West on 18:56 - Mar 31 by GlasgowBlue |
My point is that Ye shouldn't be anywhere near a music festival in this country. Let alone headlining it. The people who organise Wireless should hang their heads in shame and imo Melvin Benn, the managing director of Festival Republic, should resign or be sacked. |
A holiday with Ashton perhaps! |  |
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| Kanye West on 11:13 - Apr 6 with 1004 views | DJR |
| Kanye West on 10:41 - Apr 6 by tcblue |
I don't disagree with any of that.
But it's still strange that we (well, society) are ready to set bars. Proud Rihanna beater Chris Brown is on tour in the UK this year, for example. Haven't heard much about that.
My point is, I guess, much like Glassers pointed out (but perhaps not the same perspective) in the OP, where do we draw these lines, without knowing (or unknowing) hypocrisy? |
I imagine these judgment calls are an art rather than a science but Chris Brown was refused entry to the UK in 2010 over what he did to Rhianna.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tv
"Chris Brown takes to stage at Wireless Festival 12 years after he was 'banned from the UK' following his 2009 assault of ex-girlfriend Rihanna"
As regards West, I hadn't realised that he supports Trump, so I suppose this could be a factor in the Government preferring not to take action itself. |  | | |
| Kanye West on 12:35 - Apr 6 with 939 views | GlasgowBlue |
Paypal dropped Wireless now. | |
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| Kanye West on 13:20 - Apr 6 with 893 views | DJR |
| Kanye West on 12:35 - Apr 6 by GlasgowBlue |
Paypal dropped Wireless now. |
If Wireless don't drop him (as I suspect they will), my suggestion of banning him from entering the UK appears to be building up a head of steam.
https://www.theguardian.com/ne [Post edited 6 Apr 13:20]
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| Kanye West on 13:44 - Apr 7 with 814 views | SitfcB |
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| Kanye West on 13:47 - Apr 7 with 801 views | DJR |
| Kanye West on 13:44 - Apr 7 by SitfcB |
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They took my advice.  | | | |
| Kanye West on 13:54 - Apr 7 with 781 views | Churchman |
| Kanye West on 13:47 - Apr 7 by DJR |
They took my advice. |
And quite right too! |  | | |
| Kanye West on 14:28 - Apr 7 with 755 views | SitfcB |
They’ve cancelled the whole event.
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| Kanye West on 14:38 - Apr 7 with 734 views | baxterbasics |
| Kanye West on 14:28 - Apr 7 by SitfcB |
They’ve cancelled the whole event.
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I'm not sure how I feel about this.
It basically allows the festival to put all onus and responsibility on a government ruling, and avoid having to put their hands up and say "yeah we probably shouldn't have booked him" - would have preferred they just listened to sponsors and public and found a replacement headliner.
Also, as batso as Kanye is, I am not convinced that he meets a threshold where government should be intervening to ban an individual from travel. Unless he's posing some kind of physical or mass disorder threat, feels like overreach to me. |  |
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| Kanye West on 14:55 - Apr 7 with 693 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Kanye West on 14:28 - Apr 7 by SitfcB |
They’ve cancelled the whole event.
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Complete get out for the organisers. | |
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| Kanye West on 14:58 - Apr 7 with 678 views | J2BLUE |
| Kanye West on 14:55 - Apr 7 by GlasgowBlue |
Complete get out for the organisers. |
Unbelievable stupidity from the organisers. |  |
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| Kanye West on 15:32 - Apr 7 with 637 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Kanye West on 14:58 - Apr 7 by J2BLUE |
Unbelievable stupidity from the organisers. |
Their statement over the weekend was awful.
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| Kanye West on 15:37 - Apr 7 with 621 views | Dubtractor |
| Kanye West on 14:38 - Apr 7 by baxterbasics |
I'm not sure how I feel about this.
It basically allows the festival to put all onus and responsibility on a government ruling, and avoid having to put their hands up and say "yeah we probably shouldn't have booked him" - would have preferred they just listened to sponsors and public and found a replacement headliner.
Also, as batso as Kanye is, I am not convinced that he meets a threshold where government should be intervening to ban an individual from travel. Unless he's posing some kind of physical or mass disorder threat, feels like overreach to me. |
Thing is, having got as involved as they did for both Kneecap and Bob Vylan, neither of whom said anything even remotely as offensive as West, the government couldn't leave this alone.
Fwiw, my view is that West's offences warrant government censure, whereas I think government getting involved with the other 2 was serious overreach. |  |
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| Kanye West on 15:45 - Apr 7 with 612 views | baxterbasics |
| Kanye West on 15:37 - Apr 7 by Dubtractor |
Thing is, having got as involved as they did for both Kneecap and Bob Vylan, neither of whom said anything even remotely as offensive as West, the government couldn't leave this alone.
Fwiw, my view is that West's offences warrant government censure, whereas I think government getting involved with the other 2 was serious overreach. |
For consistency in my personal view: Whilst I have no love for either those artists, I consider it overreach in both those examples too. Unless there's a real threat of harm or disorder (and people being offended over words does not count as harm in my book), government should stay out of it. It's between the organisers, sponsors, and ticket buying public to decide. | |
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| Kanye West on 16:18 - Apr 7 with 564 views | DJR |
| Kanye West on 15:45 - Apr 7 by baxterbasics |
For consistency in my personal view: Whilst I have no love for either those artists, I consider it overreach in both those examples too. Unless there's a real threat of harm or disorder (and people being offended over words does not count as harm in my book), government should stay out of it. It's between the organisers, sponsors, and ticket buying public to decide. |
The difference is that the first two are British/Irish citizens who have a right to be here.
West is an American citizen, and it is up to any government to decide who can legally enter its country.
People have in the past between refused entry to the UK for having antisemitic, anti-Muslim or homophobic views, and given what I posted earlier I think West's barring is justified on the basis that his presence here is not conducive to the public good, which is the ground which the government have used.. [Post edited 7 Apr 17:33]
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| Kanye West on 17:52 - Apr 7 with 510 views | tcblue |
| Kanye West on 14:58 - Apr 7 by J2BLUE |
Unbelievable stupidity from the organisers. |
It does make one wonder exactly how deep the negotiations on other line up acts was... |  | | |
| Kanye West on 20:56 - Apr 7 with 451 views | chantryblueboy |
Punishing a man for the things he said and did in manic episodes caused by mental illnesses he has, which he has since apologised for, doesn’t sit right with me | | | |
| Kanye West on 21:22 - Apr 7 with 413 views | buoyant |
| Kanye West on 20:56 - Apr 7 by chantryblueboy |
Punishing a man for the things he said and did in manic episodes caused by mental illnesses he has, which he has since apologised for, doesn’t sit right with me |
He apologises when he wants another pay day.
He's obviously not well however, he's sane enough to know right from wrong and he's definitely wrong and has been consistently so for many years.
Stop apologising for antisemitism! |  |
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| Kanye West on 21:32 - Apr 7 with 395 views | chantryblueboy |
| Kanye West on 21:22 - Apr 7 by buoyant |
He apologises when he wants another pay day.
He's obviously not well however, he's sane enough to know right from wrong and he's definitely wrong and has been consistently so for many years.
Stop apologising for antisemitism! |
I am sure next time he will plan his manic episodes so that they don’t have consequences, because people with bipolar can do that can’t they | | | |
| Kanye West on 21:33 - Apr 7 with 393 views | NedPlimpton |
| Kanye West on 20:56 - Apr 7 by chantryblueboy |
Punishing a man for the things he said and did in manic episodes caused by mental illnesses he has, which he has since apologised for, doesn’t sit right with me |
Multiple "manic episodes" over a prolonged period of time. Including producing swastika merch as the only merch available on his website and releasing a song called "HH" (Heil Hitler).
I can see how manic episodes could cause a few twitter outbursts but not a prolonged spell of vile anti-Semitism |  | | |
| Kanye West on 21:38 - Apr 7 with 382 views | chantryblueboy |
| Kanye West on 21:33 - Apr 7 by NedPlimpton |
Multiple "manic episodes" over a prolonged period of time. Including producing swastika merch as the only merch available on his website and releasing a song called "HH" (Heil Hitler).
I can see how manic episodes could cause a few twitter outbursts but not a prolonged spell of vile anti-Semitism |
I was following it at the time, and was obviously horrified but he just kept doubling down on it. It wasn’t like the first thing he did was that - he lost his Adidas deal (and $2bn in 1 day), which led to more deranged rants about being cancelled and then published these things.
I’m not excusing him for what he did, it’s wrong - but I would say his case is more similar to John Davidson at the Brits than it is to a genuine Nazi, and it seems wrong to marginalise people with mental health issues for outbursts caused by said issues. Is what he did a criminal offence under UK law? | | | |
| Kanye West on 21:49 - Apr 7 with 364 views | Ryorry |
| Kanye West on 21:33 - Apr 7 by NedPlimpton |
Multiple "manic episodes" over a prolonged period of time. Including producing swastika merch as the only merch available on his website and releasing a song called "HH" (Heil Hitler).
I can see how manic episodes could cause a few twitter outbursts but not a prolonged spell of vile anti-Semitism |
Quite, and things like the printing of a T-shirt run require planning - and can be stopped, or withdrawn from long-term sale, which as far as I’m aware didn’t happen.
Trying to play the disability card just highlights his gross behaviour even further imho. |  |
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| Kanye West on 22:00 - Apr 7 with 347 views | NedPlimpton |
| Kanye West on 21:38 - Apr 7 by chantryblueboy |
I was following it at the time, and was obviously horrified but he just kept doubling down on it. It wasn’t like the first thing he did was that - he lost his Adidas deal (and $2bn in 1 day), which led to more deranged rants about being cancelled and then published these things.
I’m not excusing him for what he did, it’s wrong - but I would say his case is more similar to John Davidson at the Brits than it is to a genuine Nazi, and it seems wrong to marginalise people with mental health issues for outbursts caused by said issues. Is what he did a criminal offence under UK law? |
I'm sorry but comparing Kanye's prolonged period of anti-Semitism to John Davidson's unfortunate tourettes tick at the Brits has got to be one of the most wild takes I've ever seen on here | | | |
| Kanye West on 22:25 - Apr 7 with 308 views | chantryblueboy |
| Kanye West on 22:00 - Apr 7 by NedPlimpton |
I'm sorry but comparing Kanye's prolonged period of anti-Semitism to John Davidson's unfortunate tourettes tick at the Brits has got to be one of the most wild takes I've ever seen on here |
I said more comparable to that than the actions of a genuine Nazi, I didn’t say that they were the same | | | |
| Kanye West on 22:26 - Apr 7 with 304 views | chantryblueboy |
| Kanye West on 21:49 - Apr 7 by Ryorry |
Quite, and things like the printing of a T-shirt run require planning - and can be stopped, or withdrawn from long-term sale, which as far as I’m aware didn’t happen.
Trying to play the disability card just highlights his gross behaviour even further imho. |
I think this is where it gets difficult. Most people with bipolar can be sectioned or equivalent if they are in a manic episode - he has millions of Twitter followers at his fingertips and people around him that will do whatever he says and not challenge him | | | |
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