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Not sure I've seen this covered yet. Today's EDP/EEN covers yesterday's Reform rally up here in Norwich, and covers Führage discussing why he was at Portman Road:
"He revealed he had travelled to Portman Road to discuss Reform's opposition to the government's independent football regulator, which was introduced last year to oversee clubs' financial conduct and test the suitability of owners."
I'm not too well-versed in the proposals for a regulator - is it a fairly defined 'Pro Money' vs 'Pro Fans' divide, or is it more nuanced than that, with decent arguments for and against?
Given the nature of the visit, and how it was used by Reform, would it be fair to assume that Ashton is against the introduction of a regulator?
Making the name sound like a Nazi does you no favours. Nor does the fact you say you don’t know much about the regulator issue - but make assumptions anyway. Just getting boring. Think I will give the site a miss for a week or do. Time all this stuff was taken out of the football filter.
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Why Ashton met Führage on 20:27 - Apr 1 with 765 views
Why Ashton met Führage on 20:17 - Apr 1 by braveblue
Making the name sound like a Nazi does you no favours. Nor does the fact you say you don’t know much about the regulator issue - but make assumptions anyway. Just getting boring. Think I will give the site a miss for a week or do. Time all this stuff was taken out of the football filter.
Or simply don’t open up a thread which is quite clear what the subject is.
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Why Ashton met Führage on 20:30 - Apr 1 with 744 views
Why Ashton met Führage on 20:17 - Apr 1 by braveblue
Making the name sound like a Nazi does you no favours. Nor does the fact you say you don’t know much about the regulator issue - but make assumptions anyway. Just getting boring. Think I will give the site a miss for a week or do. Time all this stuff was taken out of the football filter.
I agree with your first sentence.
I agree with your last sentence in the full knowledge that will only happen once Ashton has gone.
Why Ashton met Führage on 12:21 - Apr 1 by bluebud
"I went to Ipswich because Mark Ashton wanted to meet me to talk about football regulations" Farage
..is the quote today in the Star
If that was the case, Id assume that the club/Ashton would have been very quick to point out that they had also met with the existing government to talk about the exact same proposed football regulator at an earlier point. Which would feel like a key point to mention.
Unless they prioritised meeting the leader of Reform to discuss it ahead of anyone in actual government who are actually going to be the ones implementing it. Which surely would be even more incompetent.
Not to mention the obvious issues with the shirts, photo opps, PR video etc etc on top of it.
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Why Ashton met Führage on 21:35 - Apr 1 with 616 views
If that was the case, Id assume that the club/Ashton would have been very quick to point out that they had also met with the existing government to talk about the exact same proposed football regulator at an earlier point. Which would feel like a key point to mention.
Unless they prioritised meeting the leader of Reform to discuss it ahead of anyone in actual government who are actually going to be the ones implementing it. Which surely would be even more incompetent.
Not to mention the obvious issues with the shirts, photo opps, PR video etc etc on top of it.
Farage is trying to change the narrative to make it sound like he is being treated as PM in waiting (which is, of course, what Ashton was promoting by gifting him the Number 10 shirts). For Farage, it is nothing to do with trying get Ashton off the hook and everything to do with trying to make political gain from it.
The third of the leaflets he sent out this week campaigning for the local elections stated that Reform councils have already saved 10s of millions on immigration. I would love to know how he has come up with that figure. What immigration spending is under the control of local councils? Cut spending, yes. On potholes, libraries, bin collections etc. Not on immigrants! Unless he means their councils' residents are the immigrants!
Saying Ashton is against the football regulator may be presuming his personal opinion rather than his views as CEO of ITFC. His position at the November Fans Forum is @33:52 of the YouTube feed. It is a reality, but one where clubs / fans should be consulted on how best to implement it.
His comments about not getting communication right all the time seem pertinent!
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Those align with his comments no in fairness. In short: it’s a done deal so we need to work with the regulator, but we want a say in what comes in.
Why Ashton met Führage on 21:35 - Apr 1 by Nthsuffolkblue
Farage is trying to change the narrative to make it sound like he is being treated as PM in waiting (which is, of course, what Ashton was promoting by gifting him the Number 10 shirts). For Farage, it is nothing to do with trying get Ashton off the hook and everything to do with trying to make political gain from it.
The third of the leaflets he sent out this week campaigning for the local elections stated that Reform councils have already saved 10s of millions on immigration. I would love to know how he has come up with that figure. What immigration spending is under the control of local councils? Cut spending, yes. On potholes, libraries, bin collections etc. Not on immigrants! Unless he means their councils' residents are the immigrants!
I dont even really see why Farage aligning himself against the Regulator bill is a particularly good position for Reform either tbh. Id imagine that the vast majority of the EFL and probably quite a few PL clubs are in favour of it. The pattern of clubs who are against it are essentially those who want to be able to spend as much as they possibly can. There are many provincial towns which Id assume would be right in Reforms radar who will be one-club towns who would be all-in on the regulator bill.
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Why Ashton met Führage on 23:32 - Apr 1 with 507 views
I dont even really see why Farage aligning himself against the Regulator bill is a particularly good position for Reform either tbh. Id imagine that the vast majority of the EFL and probably quite a few PL clubs are in favour of it. The pattern of clubs who are against it are essentially those who want to be able to spend as much as they possibly can. There are many provincial towns which Id assume would be right in Reforms radar who will be one-club towns who would be all-in on the regulator bill.
That'r exacty what I was wondering. Surely it's only the very richest clubs that have fans that are against the regulator bill, claiming it will reduce their ability to 'compete' against Madrid and PSG.
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Why Ashton met Führage on 08:11 - Apr 2 with 440 views
Edit: Started a new thread on this - as this thread has a few different branches... ------------------- Where's my head at ref a football regulator...
There are a number of issues where without regulation, the clubs collectively and individually continue the pursuit of profit ahead of the fans.
Take a step back and think about the influence of sky on football. When it started it was one game a week, now we regularly get weekends with 2 or 3 Saturday 3pm kick offs. Had that been proposed 20 years ago the fans would have organised and kicked off, but it's always small steps until we are now where we are.
And where's it going? No one has a crystal ball but a few things to worry about it. Majority American ownership in the Prem could lead to a like minded voting block taking football away from where the fans want it.
European super league already muted by at least 6 English club owners, no relegation, how convenient for some (That's you Spurs)
One game overseas thingy. Starts at one and how do you decide where? Cities bidding for hosting rights, globally. Look at how F1 works, the circus travels around the world and maximises audiences locally and in TV. You are say a Venture Capitalist owner looking at maximising revenue why wouldn't you support it?
The whole direction of travel of football for the 40 years I've been watching has been from a spectator led business to a TV led business. The figures from our season in the Prem highlight that.
And who ever listens to the fans. You got 6k on your waiting list for STs you can happily ignore dissenting voices knowing isolating traditional fans matters not a bit.
So do we need proper regulation, absolutely. That Ashton doesn't support it worries me not because I care for his insights (he's gone soon enough) but i cant see Ashton's views not having been discussed with the ownership.
So if we have owners aligned to lobbying against the football regulator I'd start to be more concerned about where they might want us to go. For now being little Ipswich probably protects us from over ambition but ultimately our owners only care about one thing, money. They are investors first and foremost and will see future value in the club.
If the game continues to chase revenues over the fans then we all lose our yet more.
Someone needs to share that clip from Wembley of the lovely Dad and son moment. Wonderful touching stuff but the light show is an abhorrence to any right minded traditional football fan (or grumpy bastard dependent on your views)
Bit of a ramble, but almost as if our voices (the traditional fan) needs to be heard..
Why Ashton met Führage on 08:11 - Apr 2 by bluelagos
Edit: Started a new thread on this - as this thread has a few different branches... ------------------- Where's my head at ref a football regulator...
There are a number of issues where without regulation, the clubs collectively and individually continue the pursuit of profit ahead of the fans.
Take a step back and think about the influence of sky on football. When it started it was one game a week, now we regularly get weekends with 2 or 3 Saturday 3pm kick offs. Had that been proposed 20 years ago the fans would have organised and kicked off, but it's always small steps until we are now where we are.
And where's it going? No one has a crystal ball but a few things to worry about it. Majority American ownership in the Prem could lead to a like minded voting block taking football away from where the fans want it.
European super league already muted by at least 6 English club owners, no relegation, how convenient for some (That's you Spurs)
One game overseas thingy. Starts at one and how do you decide where? Cities bidding for hosting rights, globally. Look at how F1 works, the circus travels around the world and maximises audiences locally and in TV. You are say a Venture Capitalist owner looking at maximising revenue why wouldn't you support it?
The whole direction of travel of football for the 40 years I've been watching has been from a spectator led business to a TV led business. The figures from our season in the Prem highlight that.
And who ever listens to the fans. You got 6k on your waiting list for STs you can happily ignore dissenting voices knowing isolating traditional fans matters not a bit.
So do we need proper regulation, absolutely. That Ashton doesn't support it worries me not because I care for his insights (he's gone soon enough) but i cant see Ashton's views not having been discussed with the ownership.
So if we have owners aligned to lobbying against the football regulator I'd start to be more concerned about where they might want us to go. For now being little Ipswich probably protects us from over ambition but ultimately our owners only care about one thing, money. They are investors first and foremost and will see future value in the club.
If the game continues to chase revenues over the fans then we all lose our yet more.
Someone needs to share that clip from Wembley of the lovely Dad and son moment. Wonderful touching stuff but the light show is an abhorrence to any right minded traditional football fan (or grumpy bastard dependent on your views)
Bit of a ramble, but almost as if our voices (the traditional fan) needs to be heard..
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A lot of measures aimed at financial stability have, in effect, ossified the pyramid in recent years. The clearest example is Newcastle who could theoretically spend a lot more but are restricted and so struggle to compete for talent with the regular Champions League teams. I suspect the Ipswich owners, and Mark Ashton along with this, would like to be able to ignore such restrictions, at least for now until they can maximise the club's valuation by establishing us at a higher level. Then they would be as self-interested as anyone else in preventing others from doing the same and would support more regulation...
A lot of measures aimed at financial stability have, in effect, ossified the pyramid in recent years. The clearest example is Newcastle who could theoretically spend a lot more but are restricted and so struggle to compete for talent with the regular Champions League teams. I suspect the Ipswich owners, and Mark Ashton along with this, would like to be able to ignore such restrictions, at least for now until they can maximise the club's valuation by establishing us at a higher level. Then they would be as self-interested as anyone else in preventing others from doing the same and would support more regulation...
Who knows how they see it playing out - but I for one think the fans should have more of a voice in how football (and Ipswich) evolves.
The football regulator feels like a step in the right direction though it does feel like the horse has bolted on so many issues...
There is an interview today in Inside Housing with Reform UK’s housing spokesperson, Simon Dudley. It touches on Reform's approach to regulation:
"I ask, was Grenfell not an awful warning about insufficient regulation?
“That was a tragedy. It was a failure,” Mr Dudley says. But he doesn’t believe the current regulatory regime is proportionate. “Sadly, you know, everyone dies in the end. It’s just how you go, right?” he says."
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Why Ashton met Führage on 09:08 - Apr 2 with 323 views
Why Ashton met Führage on 08:45 - Apr 2 by bluelagos
Who knows how they see it playing out - but I for one think the fans should have more of a voice in how football (and Ipswich) evolves.
The football regulator feels like a step in the right direction though it does feel like the horse has bolted on so many issues...
But, but, all that television money...look at how Serie A became such an important league, I mean Italy must be one of the favourites for this year's World Cup, right ?
Why Ashton met Führage on 08:58 - Apr 2 by urbanpenguin
There is an interview today in Inside Housing with Reform UK’s housing spokesperson, Simon Dudley. It touches on Reform's approach to regulation:
"I ask, was Grenfell not an awful warning about insufficient regulation?
“That was a tragedy. It was a failure,” Mr Dudley says. But he doesn’t believe the current regulatory regime is proportionate. “Sadly, you know, everyone dies in the end. It’s just how you go, right?” he says."
Oh, that went well for him.
Reform UK’s housing spokesperson has been sacked from his role after he described the Grenfell Tower fire as a “tragedy” but said that “everyone dies in the end”.
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