| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) 11:29 - Apr 5 with 3583 views | Ipswich_Crazy |
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| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 11:33 - Apr 5 with 2789 views | LA_Tractor_Boy |
Hope not. Back the team. |  | | |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 11:36 - Apr 5 with 2760 views | Ipswich_Crazy |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 11:33 - Apr 5 by LA_Tractor_Boy |
Hope not. Back the team. |
I hope not either, if they do, I won't be impressed | |
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| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 12:50 - Apr 5 with 2605 views | BlacknGoldnBlue |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 11:33 - Apr 5 by LA_Tractor_Boy |
Hope not. Back the team. |
You can back the team and protest Ashton - they're not mutually connected! |  |
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| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 12:52 - Apr 5 with 2589 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 11:36 - Apr 5 by Ipswich_Crazy |
I hope not either, if they do, I won't be impressed |
Oh no. |  |
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| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 14:09 - Apr 5 with 2416 views | stuyarmouthblue |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 12:50 - Apr 5 by BlacknGoldnBlue |
You can back the team and protest Ashton - they're not mutually connected! |
In fact, I think some of the players would welcome both. | | | |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 14:15 - Apr 5 with 2383 views | boysof1981 |
Good. Ashton is the sort of narcissist that would love it if there was a protest against him, hopefully the owners will boot him come the end of the season. We have a great chance which is in our hands to get promotion, last thing we need is a protest. | | | |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 14:16 - Apr 5 with 2378 views | jas0999 |
Support the team tomorrow. Promotion is in our hands, but we need a win. Protesting against Ashton is counter productive. | | | |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 14:18 - Apr 5 with 2359 views | StokieBlue |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 11:33 - Apr 5 by LA_Tractor_Boy |
Hope not. Back the team. |
It's possible to back the team and protest.
Sheffield Wednesday fans did it basically every week.
Doesn't mean there should be a protest, just the narrative that it's not backing the team is a bit simplistic.
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| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 14:26 - Apr 5 with 2329 views | GlasgowBlue |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 14:18 - Apr 5 by StokieBlue |
It's possible to back the team and protest.
Sheffield Wednesday fans did it basically every week.
Doesn't mean there should be a protest, just the narrative that it's not backing the team is a bit simplistic.
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You are comparing apples with oranges. Sheffield Wednesday are bottom of the league and lose nearly every game. Any distractions going on during the game won't make any difference to their results.
McKenna always talks about the crowd being the 12th man. We need everybody behind the team from the minute they get into the ground to the minute they leave. |  |
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| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 14:26 - Apr 5 with 2341 views | andyblue231 |
Success without integrity won't make you happy.
Go and read the Manchester City or Chelsea forums.
They'll try and take your club away from you at every step. It would have been good to lay down a marker. | | | |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 15:15 - Apr 5 with 2193 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 14:26 - Apr 5 by andyblue231 |
Success without integrity won't make you happy.
Go and read the Manchester City or Chelsea forums.
They'll try and take your club away from you at every step. It would have been good to lay down a marker. |
This × 1000. |  |
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| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 15:25 - Apr 5 with 2157 views | witchdoctor |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 14:09 - Apr 5 by stuyarmouthblue |
In fact, I think some of the players would welcome both. |
have any players actually indicated their dissatisfaction with Ashton?..or is this just hopeful speculation from the haters? |  | | |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 15:38 - Apr 5 with 2106 views | andyblue231 |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 15:25 - Apr 5 by witchdoctor |
have any players actually indicated their dissatisfaction with Ashton?..or is this just hopeful speculation from the haters? |
The Athletic article referenced unhappiness amongst the players. They are know for having very well sourced articles. And the club has been unable to refute any other part of it.
But it’s not proof so everyone can choose what they believe. | | | |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 15:42 - Apr 5 with 2080 views | StokieBlue |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 15:25 - Apr 5 by witchdoctor |
have any players actually indicated their dissatisfaction with Ashton?..or is this just hopeful speculation from the haters? |
I believe Phil said both some players and sponsors were unhappy.
He's also said internal discussions with the ownership group were still ongoing on the subject.
"Haters".
Good to see you want to have a sensible debate on the subject.
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| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 15:51 - Apr 5 with 2040 views | grow_our_own |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 15:25 - Apr 5 by witchdoctor |
have any players actually indicated their dissatisfaction with Ashton?..or is this just hopeful speculation from the haters? |
"Players were and probably still are furious about all this"
Protest by PhilTWTD 29 Mar 14:56The players were and probably still are furious about all this, as you'd imagine they'd be having had shirts with their names on appearing in videos promoting Reform without their knowledge. And it's certainly not about 'left-wing views', plenty of people who would put themselves on the right on here and elsewhere are unhappy with the association of their club with Reform.
Also from Phil: "clearly been a breakdown in trust between the larger part of the fanbase, players, sponsors, staff and the wider community"
Phil's usually got his finger on the pulse. But "haters" and "players won't like us supporting them AND calling for Ashton to go". Righto. [Post edited 5 Apr 15:51]
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| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 16:48 - Apr 5 with 1862 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 15:51 - Apr 5 by grow_our_own |
"Players were and probably still are furious about all this"
Protest by PhilTWTD 29 Mar 14:56The players were and probably still are furious about all this, as you'd imagine they'd be having had shirts with their names on appearing in videos promoting Reform without their knowledge. And it's certainly not about 'left-wing views', plenty of people who would put themselves on the right on here and elsewhere are unhappy with the association of their club with Reform.
Also from Phil: "clearly been a breakdown in trust between the larger part of the fanbase, players, sponsors, staff and the wider community"
Phil's usually got his finger on the pulse. But "haters" and "players won't like us supporting them AND calling for Ashton to go". Righto. [Post edited 5 Apr 15:51]
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You're conflating the available information into a conclusion that you cannot be certain of. Both sides of the Ashton in/out debate repeatedly do this. We have no idea what has been said or agreed internally since it all took place, and the leaks were reported (which is a large part of the problem).
Yes, it's been reliably reported at the time that the players were unhappy about what took place, but that cannot and doesn't confirm that they (all or some) want Ashton gone. Therefore you have no way to know how they would react to chants for him to go. It may be well received, or it may well be seen as an unwelcome distraction. If people want to do that, it's their prerogative, but I fear it will be counterproductive. Focus on the game and a positive atmosphere tomorrow imho. | | | |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 16:51 - Apr 5 with 1837 views | grow_our_own |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 16:48 - Apr 5 by SuffolkPunchFC |
You're conflating the available information into a conclusion that you cannot be certain of. Both sides of the Ashton in/out debate repeatedly do this. We have no idea what has been said or agreed internally since it all took place, and the leaks were reported (which is a large part of the problem).
Yes, it's been reliably reported at the time that the players were unhappy about what took place, but that cannot and doesn't confirm that they (all or some) want Ashton gone. Therefore you have no way to know how they would react to chants for him to go. It may be well received, or it may well be seen as an unwelcome distraction. If people want to do that, it's their prerogative, but I fear it will be counterproductive. Focus on the game and a positive atmosphere tomorrow imho. |
So players are "furious" and happy to let it slide is your theory? Ie what has happened until now? I think that's less likely than furious and wanting some consequences. We must assume there will be no further consequences unless we make them happen.
Focus on the game, a positive atmosphere, and calling for Ashton to go. [Post edited 5 Apr 17:05]
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| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 16:54 - Apr 5 with 1803 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 14:18 - Apr 5 by StokieBlue |
It's possible to back the team and protest.
Sheffield Wednesday fans did it basically every week.
Doesn't mean there should be a protest, just the narrative that it's not backing the team is a bit simplistic.
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Hardly the same. |  |
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| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 17:00 - Apr 5 with 1773 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 16:51 - Apr 5 by grow_our_own |
So players are "furious" and happy to let it slide is your theory? Ie what has happened until now? I think that's less likely than furious and wanting some consequences. We must assume there will be no further consequences unless we make them happen.
Focus on the game, a positive atmosphere, and calling for Ashton to go. [Post edited 5 Apr 17:05]
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I just pointed out that the conclusion that you're trying to draw are unsound - you have nowhere near enough facts. It's about as reliable as your flawed conclusions from the TWTD polls. Both are built on very unsound foundations. [Post edited 5 Apr 17:01]
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| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 17:05 - Apr 5 with 1730 views | ernie |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 14:18 - Apr 5 by StokieBlue |
It's possible to back the team and protest.
Sheffield Wednesday fans did it basically every week.
Doesn't mean there should be a protest, just the narrative that it's not backing the team is a bit simplistic.
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Your point is a bit simplistic. Sheff Weds protested against their owner, not the CEO. | | | |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 17:30 - Apr 5 with 1616 views | grow_our_own |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 17:00 - Apr 5 by SuffolkPunchFC |
I just pointed out that the conclusion that you're trying to draw are unsound - you have nowhere near enough facts. It's about as reliable as your flawed conclusions from the TWTD polls. Both are built on very unsound foundations. [Post edited 5 Apr 17:01]
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Not sure how polling is relevant to this topic, but since you mention, let's recap. You are saying the six polls showing around two-thirds of Town fans want Ashton gone are worthless because:
- "Poll respondees are active TWTD-posters, not representative of the wider TWTD community". Problem with that theory is there are over 200 poll respondees. Far more than there are TWTD posters. That's not my opinion, that's counting.
- "TWTD doesn't represent Ipswich fans" - Problem there is both TWTD and Ipswich are roughly equally right and left. Hence no reason to think TWTDers would have an axe to grind in any one political direction. No other theory as to why TWTDers don't represent Ipswich fans has been posited.
- "Not a significant sample size" despite statistics showing polls with that quantity of respondees are only 7-10% inaccurate in a population size of 28k. I can show my workings if you need the maths. Even if the max 10% inaccuracy favoured Ashton entirely (vanishingly unlikely), we'd still want him out by a big majority.
- "polls use leading questions" - This criticism was given without examples. If true at all, certainly doesn't apply to all six questions.
- "poll respondees were lying about what they really think" - The author of that theory didn't explain how they arrived at it, nor why the quantity of liars saying Ashton out should be greater than liars saying Ashton in.
- "poll respondees were sock puppets" - no evidence TWTD has a multiple-account problem. Can prob be confirmed by TWTD admins.
Sure YouGov would do a better job, but until then, those six polls are the best of our knowledge. [Post edited 5 Apr 17:47]
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| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 17:57 - Apr 5 with 1527 views | witchdoctor |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 17:30 - Apr 5 by grow_our_own |
Not sure how polling is relevant to this topic, but since you mention, let's recap. You are saying the six polls showing around two-thirds of Town fans want Ashton gone are worthless because:
- "Poll respondees are active TWTD-posters, not representative of the wider TWTD community". Problem with that theory is there are over 200 poll respondees. Far more than there are TWTD posters. That's not my opinion, that's counting.
- "TWTD doesn't represent Ipswich fans" - Problem there is both TWTD and Ipswich are roughly equally right and left. Hence no reason to think TWTDers would have an axe to grind in any one political direction. No other theory as to why TWTDers don't represent Ipswich fans has been posited.
- "Not a significant sample size" despite statistics showing polls with that quantity of respondees are only 7-10% inaccurate in a population size of 28k. I can show my workings if you need the maths. Even if the max 10% inaccuracy favoured Ashton entirely (vanishingly unlikely), we'd still want him out by a big majority.
- "polls use leading questions" - This criticism was given without examples. If true at all, certainly doesn't apply to all six questions.
- "poll respondees were lying about what they really think" - The author of that theory didn't explain how they arrived at it, nor why the quantity of liars saying Ashton out should be greater than liars saying Ashton in.
- "poll respondees were sock puppets" - no evidence TWTD has a multiple-account problem. Can prob be confirmed by TWTD admins.
Sure YouGov would do a better job, but until then, those six polls are the best of our knowledge. [Post edited 5 Apr 17:47]
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are you going to be leading the Ashton out chants tomorrow?..should have the majority of the crowd joining in if your stats are correct… | | | |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 18:16 - Apr 5 with 1472 views | Dubtractor |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 17:57 - Apr 5 by witchdoctor |
are you going to be leading the Ashton out chants tomorrow?..should have the majority of the crowd joining in if your stats are correct… |
My guess, based purely on my gut instinct from living and working in Ipswich for 30 years, and having a decent understanding of it's residents and our fanbase is as follows:
One third fuming about the whole affair
One third think that Ashton did nothing wrong/probably think Farage is a good egg anyway
One third just hugely indifferent.
Of those first 2 groups, a much smaller subsection will be inclined to make a noise in public about it, and probably won't take too much winding up tomorrow if the atmosphere gets moody.
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| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 18:24 - Apr 5 with 1421 views | OldFart71 |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 11:36 - Apr 5 by Ipswich_Crazy |
I hope not either, if they do, I won't be impressed |
I totally agree. The two aren't linked. The players need your support any hint of being unsupportive of the team can only work against the aim of getting them promoted.
Hopefully both the team show what they can offer and the supporters do the same. | | | |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 18:34 - Apr 5 with 1376 views | StokieBlue |
| So no Blue Action Ashton protest then? (n/t) on 17:05 - Apr 5 by ernie |
Your point is a bit simplistic. Sheff Weds protested against their owner, not the CEO. |
Does the direct target make any difference?
My point was that they both supported the team wholeheartedly but also protested against something they were unhappy with.
In reality, the target is irrelevant to my point which is that both things are possible, plenty are going after posters saying they aren't
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