| We are incredibly well run club..... 14:25 - Apr 18 with 2691 views | Pippin1970 |
We could easily be in Leicester situation but we are not. Whatever happens this season its progression in the right path. |  | | |  |
| We are incredibly well run club..... on 14:27 - Apr 18 with 2137 views | Mullet |
Really? I'm not saying we are badly run, but "not being Leicester" is hardly the position anyone is likely to find themselves in. Hence why it's such a story. |  |
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| We are incredibly well run club..... on 14:29 - Apr 18 with 2120 views | FrimleyBlue |
Its not really progression unless we do go up
If we stay down we still have to replace a large number of players before we try again in a much more difficult league next season |  |
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| We are incredibly well run club..... on 14:30 - Apr 18 with 2114 views | brazil1982 |
So far we are yes. Let's see how it continues if we have a number of seasons in the top flight and start paying even more outrageous fees on players and agents. |  | | |
| We are incredibly well run club..... on 14:31 - Apr 18 with 2100 views | ITFC1977 |
| We are incredibly well run club..... on 14:27 - Apr 18 by Mullet |
Really? I'm not saying we are badly run, but "not being Leicester" is hardly the position anyone is likely to find themselves in. Hence why it's such a story. |
Ok, we could be where Ipswich have been for 20 years + | | | |
| We are incredibly well run club..... on 14:31 - Apr 18 with 2087 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Lmao celebrating not being Leicester, odd behavior.
This season needs to end with promotion or it’s been a massive failure, the league is pish and we would have blown a major opportunity financially if we mess it up now. |  |
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| We are incredibly well run club..... on 14:33 - Apr 18 with 2064 views | BouncebackIpswich |
The key is to make sure the right people are in the management positions.
Managers come and go as do players but ultimately the club will live and die by the footballing decisions made by the CEO, Chairman, Head of Operations, CFO, head if Recruitment etc etc
And you need accountability not a group of mates at the top watching each others backs. |  |
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| We are incredibly well run club..... on 14:34 - Apr 18 with 2054 views | Pippin1970 |
| We are incredibly well run club..... on 14:29 - Apr 18 by FrimleyBlue |
Its not really progression unless we do go up
If we stay down we still have to replace a large number of players before we try again in a much more difficult league next season |
Marcus Evans era versus Gamechanger. Without it we be another Bolton etc. | | | |
| We are incredibly well run club..... on 14:36 - Apr 18 with 2016 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| We are incredibly well run club..... on 14:29 - Apr 18 by FrimleyBlue |
Its not really progression unless we do go up
If we stay down we still have to replace a large number of players before we try again in a much more difficult league next season |
It’s step back if we don’t go up with the fees we’ve spent and how the squad will look. The championship will be a different animal next year. Coventry really aren’t even that good in my opinion. We got to get it done over these next few weeks. | |
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| We are incredibly well run club..... on 14:39 - Apr 18 with 1990 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| We are incredibly well run club..... on 14:34 - Apr 18 by Pippin1970 |
Marcus Evans era versus Gamechanger. Without it we be another Bolton etc. |
The ownership group need to make sure they have the right people on the ground in the UK, making the appointments and spending the money.
That needs to be evaluated but discussions best saved for the off-season anyway. | |
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| We are incredibly well run club..... on 14:39 - Apr 18 with 1989 views | FrimleyBlue |
| We are incredibly well run club..... on 14:34 - Apr 18 by Pippin1970 |
Marcus Evans era versus Gamechanger. Without it we be another Bolton etc. |
Depends what happens from next season.
Evans was fine until promotion wasnt happening and then he pulled the plug on things
Game changer via km have had things move quicker than planned. But now we have the funds where promotion is required to meet the costs associated with this plahing squad.
If we dont get promoted this season. Next season is even harder without a doubt.
What is different is after Evans we had 3 lions and a pension pot. Now we have a load of investors who wont put up with championship football. | |
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| We are incredibly well run club..... on 14:42 - Apr 18 with 1923 views | FrimleyBlue |
| We are incredibly well run club..... on 14:39 - Apr 18 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
The ownership group need to make sure they have the right people on the ground in the UK, making the appointments and spending the money.
That needs to be evaluated but discussions best saved for the off-season anyway. |
Its ok having someone in place who has experience on project managing and overseeing training ground creations etc
But based on the level of success of £ for £ transfers.. the owners need to reallt look into who they trust to use the clubs finances. | |
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| We are incredibly well run club..... on 14:46 - Apr 18 with 1884 views | Tonytown |
| We are incredibly well run club..... on 14:33 - Apr 18 by BouncebackIpswich |
The key is to make sure the right people are in the management positions.
Managers come and go as do players but ultimately the club will live and die by the footballing decisions made by the CEO, Chairman, Head of Operations, CFO, head if Recruitment etc etc
And you need accountability not a group of mates at the top watching each others backs. |
Brentford/Brighton are the model. Managers come and go, but they have plans for that in place.
Recruitment at that level is key and we have a long way to go to achieve that.
A huge week coming up, but if we can somehow pick up 7 points that leaves us Saints away & QPR at home to get the other 3.
Could do with Saints finally dropping points mind today or in the week. | | | |
| We are incredibly well run club..... on 14:51 - Apr 18 with 1821 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| We are incredibly well run club..... on 14:42 - Apr 18 by FrimleyBlue |
Its ok having someone in place who has experience on project managing and overseeing training ground creations etc
But based on the level of success of £ for £ transfers.. the owners need to reallt look into who they trust to use the clubs finances. |
Our recruitment obviously has had a few hits but has overall been pretty chaotic and crap since PL promotion for the money spent. Still baffled with our striking options as a year 1 parachute club at this level, not to mention quite a few signings that don’t even fit the system.
If Southampton got their current appointment in the summer they’d have walked the league with 110 point with that squad. I’m still shocked how low our return has been with all the stability and money we’ve thrown around.
Just praying we can find a way to get over the line now and go from there. | |
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| We are incredibly well run club..... on 14:51 - Apr 18 with 1818 views | BouncebackIpswich |
| We are incredibly well run club..... on 14:46 - Apr 18 by Tonytown |
Brentford/Brighton are the model. Managers come and go, but they have plans for that in place.
Recruitment at that level is key and we have a long way to go to achieve that.
A huge week coming up, but if we can somehow pick up 7 points that leaves us Saints away & QPR at home to get the other 3.
Could do with Saints finally dropping points mind today or in the week. |
I think that to be fair the club did go up so quickly that we found Ipswich back in the PL with still some legacy issues from the Evans underfunding lingering.
Recruitment department, network and probably infrastructure being a huge one
I'd like to think if Town can seal the deal we'll be much better prepared to compete this time.
It does seem vital to go up though, I do worry this may be our golden chance, next year will be much more of a level playing field and then you run the risk of regression with diminishing returns back to the mid table of the Champ year after year.
See - Stoke, West Brom, Watford, even Norwich. [Post edited 18 Apr 14:52]
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| We are incredibly well run club..... on 14:53 - Apr 18 with 1793 views | Blue_Heath |
| We are incredibly well run club..... on 14:29 - Apr 18 by FrimleyBlue |
Its not really progression unless we do go up
If we stay down we still have to replace a large number of players before we try again in a much more difficult league next season |
Will have to replace a large number of players if somehow we go up too! | |
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| We are incredibly well run club..... on 19:17 - Apr 18 with 1578 views | armchaircritic59 |
| We are incredibly well run club..... on 14:31 - Apr 18 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Lmao celebrating not being Leicester, odd behavior.
This season needs to end with promotion or it’s been a massive failure, the league is pish and we would have blown a major opportunity financially if we mess it up now. |
Spot on |  | | |
| We are incredibly well run club..... on 19:38 - Apr 18 with 1518 views | TheBoyBlue |
| We are incredibly well run club..... on 14:31 - Apr 18 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Lmao celebrating not being Leicester, odd behavior.
This season needs to end with promotion or it’s been a massive failure, the league is pish and we would have blown a major opportunity financially if we mess it up now. |
I think the point of the OP was that it isn't as simple as just having money and going back up.
Personally from the position we're in right now, with games in hand and everything in our hands, especially from after the Norwich game would be a failure. However, overall, it wouldn't be a disaster. We still have the parachute fallback for next season and we should enter the season more stable than we have done in the last couple of seasons. | |
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| We are incredibly well run club..... on 19:58 - Apr 18 with 1456 views | rkc123 |
| We are incredibly well run club..... on 14:31 - Apr 18 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Lmao celebrating not being Leicester, odd behavior.
This season needs to end with promotion or it’s been a massive failure, the league is pish and we would have blown a major opportunity financially if we mess it up now. |
Exactly, this season is an absolute outlier in terms of the usual relentless competitiveness of The Championship. With the players we held onto coming down and the resources we had to improve the squad I think it is probably fair to say we haven't had a 'good season' even if we do go up, and certainly don't seem to have been building a squad ready for the Premier League in the way I hoped we would after coming down last year. | | | |
| We are incredibly well run club..... on 20:38 - Apr 18 with 1359 views | Swansea_Blue |
We’re a lot better than we were, that’s for sure. There are a few cracks showing. Recruitment has been a bit iffy (but it’s hard). The politicisation of us wasn’t great either, but worse than that was Ashton treating the fans as fools by lying to us. And now they’ve hardly covered themselves with glory in how they’ve handled the ST price increase. We can argue over how much of an increase would be reasonable, but there’s no doubt the comms has been poor and they’ve not been fair with their timelines. There’s a creep of corporate greed and contempt towards the fans creeping in.
Maybe this could have all been avoided if we’d not consolidated two leadership roles into one, so that’s not a great way to run a club.
But overall, yes there are a lot worse out there. |  |
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| We are incredibly well run club..... on 20:39 - Apr 18 with 1346 views | darkhorse28 |
This type of post terrifies me - we are EXACTLY where they and Leeds were when they had the liabilities and parachute money started to run out.
Leeds lost £49 million last season. We ARE NOT viable with a £70 million in wages, a manger paid more that our TV revenue (in the EFL) and revenue (in the EFL) that leaves us with £40 million a year losses when the parachute money runs out - which has a year left if we don’t go up.
For the love of god go and taking a basic accounting course.
It’s sliding doors…, IF we go up the cracks are papered over. If we don’t, we could easily be where they are and clubs like Leeds if they hadn’t been promoted would have needed shed shed huge player inventory.
We have amortised liabilities running through years after parachute payments stop.
It’s not unusual - but it’s not better or worse than those clubs either. Time will tell if wasting £80 million plus on really poor buys will a) not be instructive financially with premier league revenue, and just be a worry over how we are run. Or b) we genuinely end up without a pot to pee in and selling anything that moves!!!
Both seem possible, fine margins.
You’ve gone early on ‘well run’ we’ve spent a fortune this last two years…, that might be a legacy that lasts decades and yes DECADES. | | | |
| We are incredibly well run club..... on 20:44 - Apr 18 with 1335 views | Swansea_Blue |
| We are incredibly well run club..... on 20:39 - Apr 18 by darkhorse28 |
This type of post terrifies me - we are EXACTLY where they and Leeds were when they had the liabilities and parachute money started to run out.
Leeds lost £49 million last season. We ARE NOT viable with a £70 million in wages, a manger paid more that our TV revenue (in the EFL) and revenue (in the EFL) that leaves us with £40 million a year losses when the parachute money runs out - which has a year left if we don’t go up.
For the love of god go and taking a basic accounting course.
It’s sliding doors…, IF we go up the cracks are papered over. If we don’t, we could easily be where they are and clubs like Leeds if they hadn’t been promoted would have needed shed shed huge player inventory.
We have amortised liabilities running through years after parachute payments stop.
It’s not unusual - but it’s not better or worse than those clubs either. Time will tell if wasting £80 million plus on really poor buys will a) not be instructive financially with premier league revenue, and just be a worry over how we are run. Or b) we genuinely end up without a pot to pee in and selling anything that moves!!!
Both seem possible, fine margins.
You’ve gone early on ‘well run’ we’ve spent a fortune this last two years…, that might be a legacy that lasts decades and yes DECADES. |
You’ve just described the football financial model. That’s the same for everyone coming down. You’ll always have up to 2-3 years of unsustainable costs. Scary? Yes. But also normal, even if it shouldn’t be. The clock is ticking though, so we do need to go up this year or next or we’ll have a very different looking team and club the year after. | |
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| We are incredibly well run club..... on 20:48 - Apr 18 with 1318 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| We are incredibly well run club..... on 20:39 - Apr 18 by darkhorse28 |
This type of post terrifies me - we are EXACTLY where they and Leeds were when they had the liabilities and parachute money started to run out.
Leeds lost £49 million last season. We ARE NOT viable with a £70 million in wages, a manger paid more that our TV revenue (in the EFL) and revenue (in the EFL) that leaves us with £40 million a year losses when the parachute money runs out - which has a year left if we don’t go up.
For the love of god go and taking a basic accounting course.
It’s sliding doors…, IF we go up the cracks are papered over. If we don’t, we could easily be where they are and clubs like Leeds if they hadn’t been promoted would have needed shed shed huge player inventory.
We have amortised liabilities running through years after parachute payments stop.
It’s not unusual - but it’s not better or worse than those clubs either. Time will tell if wasting £80 million plus on really poor buys will a) not be instructive financially with premier league revenue, and just be a worry over how we are run. Or b) we genuinely end up without a pot to pee in and selling anything that moves!!!
Both seem possible, fine margins.
You’ve gone early on ‘well run’ we’ve spent a fortune this last two years…, that might be a legacy that lasts decades and yes DECADES. |
Provide your references if you want anyone to take your wild calculations seriously.
In 23/24 championship promotion season we received £10M+ from TV. It has been reported in the press that the manager’s wages for this season is £1M. See the flaw in your numbers. It’s clear who needs to take a basic accounting and factual foundation course, and it’s not me.
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You never bothered to answer my previous reply debunking your forecast future losses for the club, asking you to show your workings rather than making unsubstantiated claims. Come on, here’s your chance to put forward some credible references, and detailed workings, just as I did.
Wages to turnover. by SuffolkPunchFC 2 Apr 12:20You don't explain - you claim, with no substance or references.
Will we make a loss through 25/26? Most certainly - as will almost every Championship club and PL club. For clubs that have announced 24/25 accounts, Hull lost £40M, Coventry £20M, Norwich £40M, Bristol/Derby/QPR all over £20M
In 23/24 the 24 Championship clubs lost a combined £411M, averaging close to £20M. 24/25 will be higher (look at growing transfer costs in the Championship alone).
Now that you've switched from you fictitious wages to turnover claims, let's look at a projection for our 25/26 losses USING the published accounts, and some declared assumptions. You always go on about Ashton's lack of transparency - you should try to be a little more transparent with how you come up with your figures, but you won't because you know they won't stand up to scrutiny.
23/24 losses - (£40M)
Player amortisation in the most recent accounts - (£25M)
- Players off the books / sold £10M
- Players added / bought (£12M)
Estimated player amortisation costs for 25/26 therefore (£27M)
Wages difference (£15M)
23/24 (£45M)
25/26 (£60M) - may be lower; we don't know how much relegation clauses reduced PL levels
Where does that leave us?
23/24 losses (£40M)
Player amortisation change (£27M)
Turnover change £60M
Wages change (£15M)
Total loss (£22M)
So our loss will be lower than our 23/24 promotion season, inline with the 23/24 Championship average, likely much lower than the estimated 24/25 Championship average (which will no doubt be even higher for 25/26 which is what these would be for), and way below the worst losses in the 24/25 Championship including Norwich.
These level of losses keep us well within FFP rules with a £32M buffer.
If we get promoted, there will be exceptional / promotion bonus costs to be added. If we assume these are similar to 23/24, that increases the loss to (£38M) - still a reduction compared to 23/24, so a healthy direction.
So over to you - come on, really explain IN DETAIL how you arrive at you claimed financial catastrophe.
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| We are incredibly well run club..... on 20:48 - Apr 18 with 1319 views | itfcsuth |
We’re not badly run, we are not incredibly well run.
You can’t have 2 years of such poor transfer business and be deemed to be well run like us. We should be in a much healthier position than we are off the back of the financial influx over the past 2 years.
Unfortunately we have pisšed a lot of that away. |  | | |
| We are incredibly well run club..... on 21:34 - Apr 18 with 1165 views | TheBoyBlue |
| We are incredibly well run club..... on 20:48 - Apr 18 by itfcsuth |
We’re not badly run, we are not incredibly well run.
You can’t have 2 years of such poor transfer business and be deemed to be well run like us. We should be in a much healthier position than we are off the back of the financial influx over the past 2 years.
Unfortunately we have pisšed a lot of that away. |
This narrative that we have been poor in the transfer market over the last two years is really harsh. We went up to the Premier League without the structure or network to source strong Premier League players who would come to us, so we did the next best thing which seems eminently sensible - buy players who could get us back up if we went down and/or have a strong sell-on value. And here we are with players like Philogene, Clarke and Nunez who we could never have dreamt of signing even just a couple of years ago with a third promotion in 4 seasons still in our hands with 5 games to go. [Post edited 18 Apr 21:43]
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| We are incredibly well run club..... on 22:52 - Apr 18 with 1042 views | itfcsuth |
| We are incredibly well run club..... on 21:34 - Apr 18 by TheBoyBlue |
This narrative that we have been poor in the transfer market over the last two years is really harsh. We went up to the Premier League without the structure or network to source strong Premier League players who would come to us, so we did the next best thing which seems eminently sensible - buy players who could get us back up if we went down and/or have a strong sell-on value. And here we are with players like Philogene, Clarke and Nunez who we could never have dreamt of signing even just a couple of years ago with a third promotion in 4 seasons still in our hands with 5 games to go. [Post edited 18 Apr 21:43]
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I think the whole scouting network having no structure or capability for the PL is massively overplayed, really as a professional football club at the top end of the English pyramid could and should have a strong base on that front, with all the software and data available there is no excuse really.
Sunderland have somewhat blown that narrative out the water to be honest anyway, they’ve shown, actually it can be done, and the fact we weren’t able to build a strong enough squad was a failure.
The reality is we’ve built a good Championship squad, to replace what was already a good championship squad, whilst losing the mentality and culture of what was a really special group, and all for the cost of over £125m.
Whichever way you dress it up, we’ve been woefully poor in the transfer market since we hit the jackpot. Like a lottery winner who blew his fortunes on any shining item in sight. [Post edited 18 Apr 22:53]
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