| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 23:32 - Apr 30 with 691 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 12:07 - Apr 30 by GlasgowBlue |
The people on those marches are the Jewish equivalent of "Blacks for Trump".
Tokens that are weaponised by people. Polanski is their latest poster boy. |
Wow
So Jewish people protesting about Israel's grand scale murdering are the same as black people endorsing Trump?
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| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 23:41 - Apr 30 with 670 views | StokieBlue |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 19:28 - Apr 30 by GlasgowBlue |
Sorry for the delay. I've been in transit.
You have every right to push back on the views posted regarding the Jew hate on the pro Palestinian marches. That is the topic being discussed and is relevent to the subject matter of this thread.
What isn't relevant is the far right marches. That is simple whatabouttery.
The next time the far right gather outside a travel lodge, rather than unequivocally condemning their anti islam racism along with everyone else, I'll throw in the Jew hate and calls to violence at pro Palestinian marches and await you telling me that it's a very good comparison and point well made. [Post edited 30 Apr 20:23]
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No worries, I certainly don't demand or require an immediate response and thanks for taking the time to reply. I don't fully agree but then debate is good for everyone.
Are you going to address the points made by NthQldITFC and Bluechev about your other post? You've posted many times since but totally ignored it and I think it was a pretty dubious post and they deserve some form of response.
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| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 00:21 - May 1 with 619 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 23:29 - Apr 30 by reusersfreekicks |
So what about waving Israeli flags given their genocidaln acts murdering 70,000 people? |
Exactly. Don't look over there where there's a genocide going on, there's a far bigger story here.
There's no excuse for ANY form of racism, but when normal people are disempowered from doing anything to prevent large scale human suffering they sometimes lash out in very inappropriate ways. It's as poorly targeted as governments imposing sanctions on innocent people because of the actions of their leaders.
Both are wrong and unforgivable and both should be condemned equally. Accepting one and not the other is pure racism. [Post edited 1 May 0:35]
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| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 04:48 - May 1 with 550 views | Benters |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 20:37 - Apr 30 by BlueSmoke |
He needs to grow a pair of tits and apologise. |
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| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 07:03 - May 1 with 502 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 23:29 - Apr 30 by reusersfreekicks |
So what about waving Israeli flags given their genocidaln acts murdering 70,000 people? |
Are loads of people taking to the streets with Israeli flags in large marches? Iām not aware but that would also be wrong (albeit not illegal, neither would waving a Russian flag). It does sound like whataboutary though- thereās no documented issues with Palestinian communities in the UK coming under frequent attack.
Plus as you know, many Jewish people in the UK have literally no links to Israel- they are simply British people who have been here for generations, who happen to be Jewish. Part of the problem is people like you constantly making the connection between Jewish people in the UK and Israel. No British Muslim, likewise should be blamed for the crimes of the Iranian state, or the likes of ISIS. |  | | |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 07:05 - May 1 with 495 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 23:29 - Apr 30 by reusersfreekicks |
So what about waving Israeli flags given their genocidaln acts murdering 70,000 people? |
More Whatabouttery. |  |
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| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 07:25 - May 1 with 451 views | StokieBlue |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 07:03 - May 1 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Are loads of people taking to the streets with Israeli flags in large marches? Iām not aware but that would also be wrong (albeit not illegal, neither would waving a Russian flag). It does sound like whataboutary though- thereās no documented issues with Palestinian communities in the UK coming under frequent attack.
Plus as you know, many Jewish people in the UK have literally no links to Israel- they are simply British people who have been here for generations, who happen to be Jewish. Part of the problem is people like you constantly making the connection between Jewish people in the UK and Israel. No British Muslim, likewise should be blamed for the crimes of the Iranian state, or the likes of ISIS. |
As far as I know you're correct, I don't think there has been large pro-Israeli matches. There are pro-Israeli counter protestors at a the marches and they do sometimes cause issues but it's a small number as you point out.
Your final paragraph is of course, spot on.
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| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 07:31 - May 1 with 443 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 07:03 - May 1 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Are loads of people taking to the streets with Israeli flags in large marches? Iām not aware but that would also be wrong (albeit not illegal, neither would waving a Russian flag). It does sound like whataboutary though- thereās no documented issues with Palestinian communities in the UK coming under frequent attack.
Plus as you know, many Jewish people in the UK have literally no links to Israel- they are simply British people who have been here for generations, who happen to be Jewish. Part of the problem is people like you constantly making the connection between Jewish people in the UK and Israel. No British Muslim, likewise should be blamed for the crimes of the Iranian state, or the likes of ISIS. |
Itās funny that the same people who bleat āanti-Zionism is nothing to do with antisemitismā seem incapable of discussing the recent rise in antisemitic attacks without mentioning Israel. | |
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| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 07:54 - May 1 with 414 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 07:03 - May 1 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Are loads of people taking to the streets with Israeli flags in large marches? Iām not aware but that would also be wrong (albeit not illegal, neither would waving a Russian flag). It does sound like whataboutary though- thereās no documented issues with Palestinian communities in the UK coming under frequent attack.
Plus as you know, many Jewish people in the UK have literally no links to Israel- they are simply British people who have been here for generations, who happen to be Jewish. Part of the problem is people like you constantly making the connection between Jewish people in the UK and Israel. No British Muslim, likewise should be blamed for the crimes of the Iranian state, or the likes of ISIS. |
You are interpreting my post incorrectly.
I haven't said anything to the effect of Jewish people in the UK being accountable for the actions of Israel. Not a syllable.
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| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 07:56 - May 1 with 412 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 07:25 - May 1 by StokieBlue |
As far as I know you're correct, I don't think there has been large pro-Israeli matches. There are pro-Israeli counter protestors at a the marches and they do sometimes cause issues but it's a small number as you point out.
Your final paragraph is of course, spot on.
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He's not spot on as he accused me of doing that but I didn't.
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| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 08:08 - May 1 with 376 views | StokieBlue |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 07:56 - May 1 by reusersfreekicks |
He's not spot on as he accused me of doing that but I didn't.
Wont hold my breath for an apology |
Yes to be clear, I don't feel the accusation towards you is spot on but the parts about British people being held accountable for the actions of non-linked foreign entities.
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| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 08:09 - May 1 with 377 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 07:31 - May 1 by GlasgowBlue |
Itās funny that the same people who bleat āanti-Zionism is nothing to do with antisemitismā seem incapable of discussing the recent rise in antisemitic attacks without mentioning Israel. |
Yeah, although Iām not comfortable with the Governmentās approach of broadening laws to criminalise people peacefully protesting against genocide. We do need to push back on attempts to silence people who wish to speak out and peacefully protest against Israelās actions. I donāt know how we do that without (a) facilitating a high energy protest environment that makes it easier for antisemites to be active or (b) wrongly labelling people as antisemites when theyāre not (or even arresting them in some cases for simply holding a sign saying āI oppose genocideā). |  |
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| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 08:27 - May 1 with 340 views | NthQldITFC |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 08:09 - May 1 by Swansea_Blue |
Yeah, although Iām not comfortable with the Governmentās approach of broadening laws to criminalise people peacefully protesting against genocide. We do need to push back on attempts to silence people who wish to speak out and peacefully protest against Israelās actions. I donāt know how we do that without (a) facilitating a high energy protest environment that makes it easier for antisemites to be active or (b) wrongly labelling people as antisemites when theyāre not (or even arresting them in some cases for simply holding a sign saying āI oppose genocideā). |
...or indeed having a discussion on a football forum where most of us probably agree with 95% of what the other is saying but it's the 5% where the fire always starts, or where the embers always flare up from again next time around.
We find it very hard to separate the issues we are at loggerheads on from the issues we agree on, and the coppers find it very hard to separate the arseholes at the protests from the vast majority of decent, well-intentioned people of all faiths, colours and backgrounds.
Whether on the emotionally charged atmospheres of the streets of TWTD or the pun-infested web pages of London, understandably high emotions get in the way of constructive compromise and so on ad infinitum. |  |
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| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 09:19 - May 1 with 278 views | DJR |
Blaming diaspora Jews for the actions of the state of Israel is wrong, pure and simple, and especially so when you consider that recent polling found that 60% of US Jews think Israel has committed war crimes and 40% think it has committed genocide. Indeed, another poll found that only 34% of US Jews identify as Zionists.
https://www.jpost.com/diaspora
https://www.jta.org/2026/02/05
For my own part, I think it would be nice to see a large, spontaneous demonstration of support for the Jewish community, but I rather doubt that would get off the ground, or not turn out to be political in the way that the demonstration in Paris a couple of years ago was.
The question arises as to how to reduce antisemitism: sadly, it will never be eliminated.
Leaving aside the civil liberties' aspect, I am not convinced that the banning of pro-Palestine marches would achieve anything in that regard, and might even end up counter-productive, although it would presumably be of comfort to many British Jews. Such a ban would not prevent online or in person abuse etc. Nor would it prevent recent high profile attacks which may well have been influence by overseas actors.
The suggestion is that Iran has been involved in recent attacks. It could be said to be surprising that it is only Jewish people, interests and property in this country which have been attacked since the war against Iran given the US was just as heavily involved, and indeed killed 120 school girls. But then again maybe it isn't surprising! I might add that proscribing the IRGC seems to me to be unlikely to reduce the threat from Iran.
Maybe one solution is education because I do think there is a general lack of understanding of the history and meaning of antisemitism, especially the aspect that blames Jews for bad things that go on in the World.
In this regard, it strikes me that the following initiative could be brought forward.
https://www.thejc.com/family-a
"Curriculum overhaul to prioritise antisemitism awareness"
Having said this, false claims of antisemitism do muddy the waters, and perhaps add to the difficulties of trying to educate.
Maybe we just need a powerful public information campaign which stresses that Jews in this country are not responsible for the actions of the state of Israel. [Post edited 1 May 9:46]
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| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 09:21 - May 1 with 273 views | Ryorry |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 07:54 - May 1 by reusersfreekicks |
You are interpreting my post incorrectly.
I haven't said anything to the effect of Jewish people in the UK being accountable for the actions of Israel. Not a syllable.
But you go for it |
So why did you bring Israeli flags into a discussion about British Jews being stabbed on their home streets of Golders Green in London then? |  |
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| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 10:07 - May 1 with 182 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 09:21 - May 1 by Ryorry |
So why did you bring Israeli flags into a discussion about British Jews being stabbed on their home streets of Golders Green in London then? |
I assume he's referring to the fact that Israeli flags are frequently flown at antisemitism rallies. Below is an image from today's protests at Whitehall.
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| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 10:16 - May 1 with 156 views | NthQldITFC |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 10:07 - May 1 by Clapham_Junction |
I assume he's referring to the fact that Israeli flags are frequently flown at antisemitism rallies. Below is an image from today's protests at Whitehall.
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People really ought to stick flags up their arse!
All flags, I mean, but most especially if they cause division.
World would be a better place if it was just people, who are all part of a continuum of appearance and voice, rather than having flags which break up the continuum of rectangles of fabric of an infinite range of colour into discrete, fixed, trouble-making patterns and points of conflict.
#FkAllFlags! | |
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| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 10:44 - May 1 with 107 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 10:16 - May 1 by NthQldITFC |
People really ought to stick flags up their arse!
All flags, I mean, but most especially if they cause division.
World would be a better place if it was just people, who are all part of a continuum of appearance and voice, rather than having flags which break up the continuum of rectangles of fabric of an infinite range of colour into discrete, fixed, trouble-making patterns and points of conflict.
#FkAllFlags! |
Especially green and yellow ones! | | | |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 10:49 - May 1 with 95 views | giant_stow |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 19:40 - Apr 30 by GlasgowBlue |
Zack really is shitting the bed lately. No wonder all the Corbyn fan boys are drinking his cool aid.
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I see many are up in arms over this message, seeing it as police meddling in politics.
Personally, I think it comes to something when it takes the police to remind everyone about their responsibilities to society and social cohesion. |  |
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| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 10:55 - May 1 with 73 views | positivity |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 10:16 - May 1 by NthQldITFC |
People really ought to stick flags up their arse!
All flags, I mean, but most especially if they cause division.
World would be a better place if it was just people, who are all part of a continuum of appearance and voice, rather than having flags which break up the continuum of rectangles of fabric of an infinite range of colour into discrete, fixed, trouble-making patterns and points of conflict.
#FkAllFlags! |
there was a lot of israeli flags flying at the far right divide the kingdom march, which is very weird considering the antisemitism on display and the past records of the organisers and speakers.
can only assume they hate jews, but love the israeli government? | |
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| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 11:01 - May 1 with 45 views | bartyg |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 10:49 - May 1 by giant_stow |
I see many are up in arms over this message, seeing it as police meddling in politics.
Personally, I think it comes to something when it takes the police to remind everyone about their responsibilities to society and social cohesion. |
Never met a PCSO? |  |
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