| MP resigning so Burnham can stand 17:21 - May 14 with 11591 views | NthQldITFC |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/liv
Labour MP says he's resigning so Andy Burnham can stand
Labour MP Josh Simons has just issued a statement: "Today, I am putting the people I represent and the country I love first and will be resigning as MP for Makerfield.
I am standing aside so that Andy Burnham can return to his home." |  |
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| MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 09:14 - May 21 with 816 views | GlasgowBlue |
Zack and Owen Jones putting the boot into Burnham now.
Meet the new boss. |  |
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| MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 09:21 - May 21 with 783 views | Radlett_blue |
| MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 09:14 - May 21 by GlasgowBlue |
Zack and Owen Jones putting the boot into Burnham now.
Meet the new boss. |
Whoever leads Labour is going to have a huge problem. They have a big majority, they are unpopular so many in the party - MPs, members etc - are baying for them to move to the left. But if they do so, they are more likely to lose their traditional supporters to Reform, while they are still challenged on the left by the Greens. |  |
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| MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 09:29 - May 21 with 764 views | Herbivore |
| MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 09:14 - May 21 by GlasgowBlue |
Zack and Owen Jones putting the boot into Burnham now.
Meet the new boss. |
The way immigration has been weaponised has made it very difficult for any of the leadership candidates to change tack and say they'll be less draconian when it comes to immigration. For Burnham trying to appeal to northern Labour voters who have been attracted to Reform, this is very much an area where he has to be seen to be backing action. It's a shame this is where we are as a society right now. |  |
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| MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 10:44 - May 21 with 702 views | DJR |
| MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 09:29 - May 21 by Herbivore |
The way immigration has been weaponised has made it very difficult for any of the leadership candidates to change tack and say they'll be less draconian when it comes to immigration. For Burnham trying to appeal to northern Labour voters who have been attracted to Reform, this is very much an area where he has to be seen to be backing action. It's a shame this is where we are as a society right now. |
Rather surprisingly, YouGov polling yesterday showed that only 26 per cent of Labour members want the government to adopt a more liberal approach to immigration. Meanwhile, 44 per cent want to see Shabana Mahmood’s reforms implemented, and 18 per cent want them to go further. |  | | |
| MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 10:57 - May 21 with 690 views | Herbivore |
| MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 10:44 - May 21 by DJR |
Rather surprisingly, YouGov polling yesterday showed that only 26 per cent of Labour members want the government to adopt a more liberal approach to immigration. Meanwhile, 44 per cent want to see Shabana Mahmood’s reforms implemented, and 18 per cent want them to go further. |
We've normalised the demonisation of immigration and immigrants. It's very sad to see but is the inevitable end point of more than a decade of the press and political discourse seeking to blame many of societies problems on immigration rather than on a broken late capitalist system that is now only really benefiting those at the very top of the food chain. | |
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| MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 12:25 - May 21 with 632 views | GlasgowBlue |
| MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 09:29 - May 21 by Herbivore |
The way immigration has been weaponised has made it very difficult for any of the leadership candidates to change tack and say they'll be less draconian when it comes to immigration. For Burnham trying to appeal to northern Labour voters who have been attracted to Reform, this is very much an area where he has to be seen to be backing action. It's a shame this is where we are as a society right now. |
Well in less than a week Burnham has rowed back on rejoining the EU, ditched PR, will continue Shabana Mahmoods immigration policies, and will stick to Rachel Reeves fiscal rules.
Where is the change? What is the point of this vanity project, which will either cost Labour the seat of the Mayoralty?
As for your last point, you and others have been arguing that Labour is failing by trying to win over reform voters. [Post edited 21 May 12:27]
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| MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 12:34 - May 21 with 599 views | lowhouseblue |
| MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 09:29 - May 21 by Herbivore |
The way immigration has been weaponised has made it very difficult for any of the leadership candidates to change tack and say they'll be less draconian when it comes to immigration. For Burnham trying to appeal to northern Labour voters who have been attracted to Reform, this is very much an area where he has to be seen to be backing action. It's a shame this is where we are as a society right now. |
when net immigration was running at five times todays level, people in power simply didn't want to know. they didn't want to engage with the issue or acknowledge that the public opposed it by a big majority. the tories were the worst offenders but much of the left was just as bad. when you talk (yet again) about 'weaponisation' you ignore the fact that the main political impact has been much of the public being systematically ignored and belittled. pretending that unsustainable net immigration wasn't an important issue has contributed the loss of trust in politics. the current numbers for the first time show that the government has listened. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 13:56 - May 21 with 516 views | Herbivore |
| MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 12:25 - May 21 by GlasgowBlue |
Well in less than a week Burnham has rowed back on rejoining the EU, ditched PR, will continue Shabana Mahmoods immigration policies, and will stick to Rachel Reeves fiscal rules.
Where is the change? What is the point of this vanity project, which will either cost Labour the seat of the Mayoralty?
As for your last point, you and others have been arguing that Labour is failing by trying to win over reform voters. [Post edited 21 May 12:27]
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I'm no fan of Burnham but Labour are toast at the next election if they stick with Starmer. And effectively what you're saying is that Burnham is going to stick to policies that Labour have implemented and isn't going to do anything radical that wasn't in their manifesto. Given he's not vying to be president but to be leader of the Labour Party, none of that should be particularly surprising. | |
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| MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 14:13 - May 21 with 482 views | ElderGrizzly |
| MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 12:25 - May 21 by GlasgowBlue |
Well in less than a week Burnham has rowed back on rejoining the EU, ditched PR, will continue Shabana Mahmoods immigration policies, and will stick to Rachel Reeves fiscal rules.
Where is the change? What is the point of this vanity project, which will either cost Labour the seat of the Mayoralty?
As for your last point, you and others have been arguing that Labour is failing by trying to win over reform voters. [Post edited 21 May 12:27]
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Ditched PR? He's just said today he supports electoral reform
https://www.theguardian.com/po |  | | |
| MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 14:13 - May 21 with 480 views | DJR |
| MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 12:25 - May 21 by GlasgowBlue |
Well in less than a week Burnham has rowed back on rejoining the EU, ditched PR, will continue Shabana Mahmoods immigration policies, and will stick to Rachel Reeves fiscal rules.
Where is the change? What is the point of this vanity project, which will either cost Labour the seat of the Mayoralty?
As for your last point, you and others have been arguing that Labour is failing by trying to win over reform voters. [Post edited 21 May 12:27]
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It doesn't look like he has rowed back on PR.
https://www.theguardian.com/po
Of course, he will have a battle in the party to get it through, and given it wasn't in the manifesto it probably isn't something that could be done in this Parliament, but for me (particularly in a seat where my vote doesn't count) it would be good to have the first leader of one of the two main parties who believes in PR. | | | |
| MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 14:15 - May 21 with 465 views | ElderGrizzly |
| MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 13:56 - May 21 by Herbivore |
I'm no fan of Burnham but Labour are toast at the next election if they stick with Starmer. And effectively what you're saying is that Burnham is going to stick to policies that Labour have implemented and isn't going to do anything radical that wasn't in their manifesto. Given he's not vying to be president but to be leader of the Labour Party, none of that should be particularly surprising. |
Agree. Certain types would then be screaming "that wasn't in the manifesto. We want a General Election etc etc"
Burnham will have to make subtle changes of direction, or as you say, Labour are toast. | | | |
| MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 14:18 - May 21 with 437 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 14:13 - May 21 by DJR |
It doesn't look like he has rowed back on PR.
https://www.theguardian.com/po
Of course, he will have a battle in the party to get it through, and given it wasn't in the manifesto it probably isn't something that could be done in this Parliament, but for me (particularly in a seat where my vote doesn't count) it would be good to have the first leader of one of the two main parties who believes in PR. |
Glassers smearing and outright making stuff up?
Here we go again... |  |
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| MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 14:47 - May 21 with 403 views | itfcjoe |
| MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 12:25 - May 21 by GlasgowBlue |
Well in less than a week Burnham has rowed back on rejoining the EU, ditched PR, will continue Shabana Mahmoods immigration policies, and will stick to Rachel Reeves fiscal rules.
Where is the change? What is the point of this vanity project, which will either cost Labour the seat of the Mayoralty?
As for your last point, you and others have been arguing that Labour is failing by trying to win over reform voters. [Post edited 21 May 12:27]
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What is the point of this vanity project?
Because Keir Starmer is just so unpopular, he is hated irrationally by so many people despite being just a boring safe guy the RW press and social media has managed to turn him into someone about as unpopular as Hitler.
If Andy Burnham can win the by election, vs Reform, it is proof of concept that someone in Labour can beat Reform. If this was a normal by election, with AN Other Labour candidate standing, under Starmer, they would get 10% of the vote |  |
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| MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 15:42 - May 21 with 366 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 14:47 - May 21 by itfcjoe |
What is the point of this vanity project?
Because Keir Starmer is just so unpopular, he is hated irrationally by so many people despite being just a boring safe guy the RW press and social media has managed to turn him into someone about as unpopular as Hitler.
If Andy Burnham can win the by election, vs Reform, it is proof of concept that someone in Labour can beat Reform. If this was a normal by election, with AN Other Labour candidate standing, under Starmer, they would get 10% of the vote |
Yep, it's not difficult. | |
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| MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 20:30 - May 21 with 288 views | reusersfreekicks |
| MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 14:47 - May 21 by itfcjoe |
What is the point of this vanity project?
Because Keir Starmer is just so unpopular, he is hated irrationally by so many people despite being just a boring safe guy the RW press and social media has managed to turn him into someone about as unpopular as Hitler.
If Andy Burnham can win the by election, vs Reform, it is proof of concept that someone in Labour can beat Reform. If this was a normal by election, with AN Other Labour candidate standing, under Starmer, they would get 10% of the vote |
Quite the irrational hate for Starmer a la Benters is perplexing to say the least.
A real job has been done on him by r wing media Inc social media.
Crazy times |  | | |
| MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 21:18 - May 21 with 271 views | DJR |
This from John Crace in the Guardian made me laugh.
It must be exhausting being the king of the north. Just watching Andy Burnham’s four-minute campaign video released this week leaves you in need of a lie down. Andy can’t step outside his front door without people throwing themselves at his feet. Men throw palm leaves across the pavement and openly weep with joy. They can’t imagine a life without him and insist on buying him a pint. Women grab his hand and ask him to be the father of their babies. Shopkeepers beg him to come inside and cut the ribbon to open their new freezer cabinet.
Being the messiah is a very demanding occupation. But I guess someone’s got to do it. It must be annoying though to have to live your life to a soundtrack of Oasis playing in the background. Still, at least the sun is always shining. Which is not how I remember the city. When my daughter was at university there 15 years ago, I never went out without a coat. But maybe Andy is even in control of the weather. Saves him the bother of walking on water. | | | |
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