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MP resigning so Burnham can stand 17:21 - May 14 with 14352 viewsNthQldITFC

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Labour MP says he's resigning so Andy Burnham can stand

Labour MP Josh Simons has just issued a statement: "Today, I am putting the people I represent and the country I love first and will be resigning as MP for Makerfield.

I am standing aside so that Andy Burnham can return to his home."

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I wouldn't risk more than.... on 17:23 - May 14 with 4432 viewsBloots

....a tenner on Labour holding onto that seat.

Could be funny.

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MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 17:25 - May 14 with 4414 viewsEastTownBlue

A very risky seat that can easily be lost to Reform.
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MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 17:26 - May 14 with 4404 viewsThisIsMyUsername

What are AB's views on overturning Brexit/getting FoM back in some guise ASAP?

ChatGPT suggests:

strongly anti-hard-Brexit, pro-European, and open to rebuilding mobility with Europe — but politically aware that simply restoring 2015-style FoM remains controversial.

The sort of arrangements he appears most politically comfortable with are:

youth mobility schemes,
easier EU work visas,
mutual recognition of qualifications,
regional labour mobility,
student exchanges,
closer single-market alignment,
potentially a Norway/Swiss-style softer border regime eventually.

What he generally hasn’t done is say:

“Britain should immediately restore full EU freedom of movement.”

So if you’re asking:

“Is Burnham philosophically hostile to FoM?”

Probably not anymore.

But if you’re asking:

“Would he openly campaign tomorrow to restore 2015-style EU FoM?”

Also probably no — at least not yet.
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MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 17:26 - May 14 with 4396 viewsLeaky

Be interesting if Reform won the byelection.
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MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 17:27 - May 14 with 4386 viewsGuthrum

So what happens when the central party prevent Burnham from standing (like last time)?

Good Lord! Whatever is it?
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MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 17:28 - May 14 with 4379 viewsredrickstuhaart

MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 17:26 - May 14 by Leaky

Be interesting if Reform won the byelection.


A real prospect I would suggest.

Also, no guarantee that the exec committee allow Burnham on the ballot...

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I wouldn't risk more than.... on 17:28 - May 14 with 4377 viewswrightsrightglove

I wouldn't risk more than.... on 17:23 - May 14 by Bloots

....a tenner on Labour holding onto that seat.

Could be funny.


Yep, every other party will be throwing everything they can at the byelection! I would imagine it’ll be more brutal than Gorton and Denton
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I wouldn't risk more than.... on 17:29 - May 14 with 4360 viewsGlasgowBlue

I wouldn't risk more than.... on 17:23 - May 14 by Bloots

....a tenner on Labour holding onto that seat.

Could be funny.


Majority of just over 5000. Very risky unless the Greens and Liberals stand down. But why would they do that?

Then there is the possibility of losing the Manchester Mayoralty to Reform.

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MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 17:36 - May 14 with 4311 viewsSitfcB

So if Burnham gets it it’ll be him v Streeting to be PM?

Burnham wins that easily surely.

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MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 17:36 - May 14 with 4309 viewsDJR

MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 17:25 - May 14 by EastTownBlue

A very risky seat that can easily be lost to Reform.


Josh Simons is a Labour Together man and thus aligned with Wes Streeting.

In the local elections in the area, Reform won 24 out of 25 seats.

Maybe Simons is offering Burnham a poisoned chalice for a reason.

If not, his letter suggests a Damascene conversion.
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MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 17:40 - May 14 with 4265 viewsSitfcB


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MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 17:42 - May 14 with 4254 viewsPinewoodblue

MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 17:25 - May 14 by EastTownBlue

A very risky seat that can easily be lost to Reform.


They are putting an awful amount of trust in the electorate. If this was happening in your constituency and you had no intention of voting Labour you would presumably vote for the candidate most likely to defeat him.

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MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 17:43 - May 14 with 4225 viewsGlasgowBlue

MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 17:36 - May 14 by DJR

Josh Simons is a Labour Together man and thus aligned with Wes Streeting.

In the local elections in the area, Reform won 24 out of 25 seats.

Maybe Simons is offering Burnham a poisoned chalice for a reason.

If not, his letter suggests a Damascene conversion.
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Streeting’s resignation letter was extremely conciliatory towards Burnham. Perhaps he’s angling for Foreign Secretary or Chancellor of the Exchequer in a Burnham government.

Sometimes I think about the frothing lunatics I’ve put on ignore, who will have kept replying to me again and again, but I don’t even realise they exist.
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MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 17:43 - May 14 with 4221 viewsitfcjoe

Going to be a brutal by election

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MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 17:45 - May 14 with 4185 viewsMullet

MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 17:27 - May 14 by Guthrum

So what happens when the central party prevent Burnham from standing (like last time)?


I don’t think Starmer will allow that to happen this time somehow. He basically has this attitude of step in beat me man to man.

I think the Gorton stuff damaged Labour massively internally and externally, and it gave the greens a huge foothold they might not have without it.

I’ll be sad to lose him as mayor as he’s done a lot here.

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I wouldn't risk more than.... on 17:48 - May 14 with 4100 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

I wouldn't risk more than.... on 17:29 - May 14 by GlasgowBlue

Majority of just over 5000. Very risky unless the Greens and Liberals stand down. But why would they do that?

Then there is the possibility of losing the Manchester Mayoralty to Reform.


I think they probably should stand aside as a gesture of anti Reform unity and in the national interest.....but will they?

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MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 17:48 - May 14 with 4109 viewsGlasgowBlue

MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 17:43 - May 14 by itfcjoe

Going to be a brutal by election


Reform will have to take more care in selecting a candidate than they did Gorton and Denton.

Sometimes I think about the frothing lunatics I’ve put on ignore, who will have kept replying to me again and again, but I don’t even realise they exist.
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MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 17:49 - May 14 with 4088 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 17:36 - May 14 by SitfcB

So if Burnham gets it it’ll be him v Streeting to be PM?

Burnham wins that easily surely.


He wins that in his sleep.

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MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 17:51 - May 14 with 4080 viewsBloomBlue

So... Streeting becomes PM for 3 - 4 months and then Burnham becomes PM?

Labour shooting self in foot.
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MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 17:52 - May 14 with 4059 viewsSitfcB

MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 17:45 - May 14 by Mullet

I don’t think Starmer will allow that to happen this time somehow. He basically has this attitude of step in beat me man to man.

I think the Gorton stuff damaged Labour massively internally and externally, and it gave the greens a huge foothold they might not have without it.

I’ll be sad to lose him as mayor as he’s done a lot here.


Hopefully he can be good for the country, seems decent enough.

What’s his view on immigration…?




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MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 17:52 - May 14 with 4066 viewsBlueBadger

MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 17:48 - May 14 by GlasgowBlue

Reform will have to take more care in selecting a candidate than they did Gorton and Denton.


They'll have to find one who either just dim, wildly bigoted or openly corrupt rather than the usual combination of all 3.
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MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 17:56 - May 14 with 4030 viewsGuthrum

MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 17:45 - May 14 by Mullet

I don’t think Starmer will allow that to happen this time somehow. He basically has this attitude of step in beat me man to man.

I think the Gorton stuff damaged Labour massively internally and externally, and it gave the greens a huge foothold they might not have without it.

I’ll be sad to lose him as mayor as he’s done a lot here.


I don't trust Starmer's authoritarian streak (when it comes to party discipline and conformity).

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MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 17:57 - May 14 with 4026 viewsoldbeardy

I don't like it that Burnham is only doing this to be PM - he isn't interested in anything other than that. So he uses Makerfield to become an MP (assuming he's allowed, and wins) then what if he doesn't win the PM job - he'll be off again at the earliest opportunity I imagine. Doesn't fill me with confidence that he's the right person whatever his other qualities.
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MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 18:03 - May 14 with 3968 viewssurreyblue

MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 17:42 - May 14 by Pinewoodblue

They are putting an awful amount of trust in the electorate. If this was happening in your constituency and you had no intention of voting Labour you would presumably vote for the candidate most likely to defeat him.


This is my concern. It feels like a staggering gamble, not just for Burnham but for the Labour Party and the whole of the country.

If Burnham gets elected the path is pretty clear. If he doesn’t, streeting vs Starmer vs Rayner is a bloodbath that rips the governing party in three and probably leaves whoever ends up in power with a barely functioning government. Cue votes of no confidence and early elections, with a cast of candidates for our next Pm that is horrifying across every level.

The country and its people are not your plaything. We do not exist for your power or to boost your ego and bank balance. Grow up and do the job you were elected to do.
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MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 18:10 - May 14 with 3910 viewsvapour_trail

MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 17:26 - May 14 by Leaky

Be interesting if Reform won the byelection.


Got to be the most likely outcome.

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