| That's a bit of luck for us. 21:04 - May 19 with 2152 views | ITFC_Essex |
Coventry will, much like we did in 24/25, be playing catch up, and Hull and Boro will both be in similar boats when it comes to being Premier League ready. The last time we came up, alongside Leicester and Southampton, we were at a bit of a disadvantage, as they both had come off of a long tenure of being top flight teams.
I know on occasion you do get a Sunderland who come up and are bit of a wildcard, as they had to get their sht together fast for this season, but they could end up in Europe. Whereas Burnley are just following to Norwich model, come up and cash in. Leeds staying up isn't a surprise to me have been a Premier League prepared club for a few years now.
Wolves and West Ham were due a drop, and there's a couple of others up there who might have a crumby season too. Palace, Forest, even the likes of Everton could be in the relegation mix next season. We need a couple of established teams to do really badly, and for Leeds/Sunderland to suffer second season syndrome and we could well scraped staying up this time. |  |
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| That's a bit of luck for us. on 04:11 - May 20 with 1807 views | ArchiRob |
Just like Sunderland did last year. Good recruitment with a pinch of luck is required. |  |
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| That's a bit of luck for us. on 06:33 - May 20 with 1637 views | Blue_Heath |
Except Palace and Forest both very experienced at beating the drop.
Make no mistake next year will be incredibly difficult, look at what the Burnley team did in the champ and how they performed this season.
40 points looking like the new norm to stay up, that's a big ask. |  |
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| That's a bit of luck for us. on 06:37 - May 20 with 1625 views | RetroBlue |
I think for us to stand a chance of staying up next seasin, McKenna needs to focus on strong, quick defenders, andva string defensive midfielder. If we don't conceed so easily, thats a point per game youre starting with.
Arsenal have just become champions on the back of having one of the best defensive records in Europe. The very strong Liverpool sides in the 70'/80's rarely conceded. If they scord first against you, you knew the game was pretty much done.
Im not sure was being strong defensively is a dirty word or associated with being negative. Its an art form, to be able to defend well. If McKenna can achieve a string defensive side to our squad, we'd have a helluva chance. |  |
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| That's a bit of luck for us. on 07:07 - May 20 with 1534 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| That's a bit of luck for us. on 06:33 - May 20 by Blue_Heath |
Except Palace and Forest both very experienced at beating the drop.
Make no mistake next year will be incredibly difficult, look at what the Burnley team did in the champ and how they performed this season.
40 points looking like the new norm to stay up, that's a big ask. |
Your last line has no real basis. There is a chance it may be required this year, or 37 points. But previously clubs have needed
26
27
35
36
29
It's going to be bloody hard, and I think we'll almost definitely struggle to get a respectable points total, but I don't think there is a new standard of points required. The target will be the usual; low 30s minimum, mid 30s hopefully, high 30s more secure. We'll see. |  | | |
| That's a bit of luck for us. on 09:28 - May 20 with 1305 views | SouperJim |
| That's a bit of luck for us. on 06:37 - May 20 by RetroBlue |
I think for us to stand a chance of staying up next seasin, McKenna needs to focus on strong, quick defenders, andva string defensive midfielder. If we don't conceed so easily, thats a point per game youre starting with.
Arsenal have just become champions on the back of having one of the best defensive records in Europe. The very strong Liverpool sides in the 70'/80's rarely conceded. If they scord first against you, you knew the game was pretty much done.
Im not sure was being strong defensively is a dirty word or associated with being negative. Its an art form, to be able to defend well. If McKenna can achieve a string defensive side to our squad, we'd have a helluva chance. |
Absolutely spot on for me. We need a highly mobile back 5 who give very little away. We have one or two who can be a part of that picture, O'Shea, Greaves, Furlong. But we really need reinforcements, defensive mid, left back, centre half at a minimum for me. |  |
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| That's a bit of luck for us. on 09:37 - May 20 with 1266 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
I think you’ve overegged the disadvantage here.
The main reason we were at a disadvantage is because of the bounce from L1.
Although we will be better prepared than Cov and Hull or Boro, all three of those will be better prepared than we were last time, especially for recruitment.
Not only were we dealing with the Evans legacy in our recruitment department, we were trying to recruit premier league standard players when just over a year earlier, we were a L1 club, that’s quite the sell.
It’s also worth noting the disadvantage we had against Southampton and Leicester and their tenure in the Prem, it’s also worth remembering that they also came straight back down.
We’re in a better place, but the disadvantage of the other two, is nowhere near ours in 2024. |  |
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| That's a bit of luck for us. on 09:38 - May 20 with 1266 views | squiz |
You'd think we'd be more attractive for signings than Cov and Boro/Hull as presumably we'll be fighting for the same small pool of players. You'd think Lampard would be a draw for some players though. |  | | |
| That's a bit of luck for us. on 10:04 - May 20 with 1162 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| That's a bit of luck for us. on 09:38 - May 20 by squiz |
You'd think we'd be more attractive for signings than Cov and Boro/Hull as presumably we'll be fighting for the same small pool of players. You'd think Lampard would be a draw for some players though. |
I think our pool will be a little bit wider than Cov or Hull/Boro literally owing to the quality already in the squad. I would expect us to be fighting with Leeds, Fulham, Forest and Palace too this season.
Obviously, if its doing to come down to a wages shoot out, the likelihood is we lose, but if those clubs are looking at players in the 20-30m bracket, I would expect us to be in there too. | |
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| That's a bit of luck for us. on 10:21 - May 20 with 1106 views | gainsboroughblue |
Other than ourselves, it's been a proper car crash season for the parachutees.
Sheff Utd- Languished in mid table no mans land, hired a manager they sacked months before.
Leicester- Points deduction, relegated.
Soton- This. |  |
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| That's a bit of luck for us. on 10:55 - May 20 with 987 views | Dennyx4 |
| That's a bit of luck for us. on 07:07 - May 20 by Axeldalai_lama |
Your last line has no real basis. There is a chance it may be required this year, or 37 points. But previously clubs have needed
26
27
35
36
29
It's going to be bloody hard, and I think we'll almost definitely struggle to get a respectable points total, but I don't think there is a new standard of points required. The target will be the usual; low 30s minimum, mid 30s hopefully, high 30s more secure. We'll see. |
This is a good debate, I think you should always look at how many points 4th bottom got, to determine how many you need to stay up.
Last season Tottenham finished 4th bottom on 38 points, meaning we would have needed that many points to avoid relegation, not one more point than 3rd bottom, as we would still have been in the bottom three with 26 points.
All we would have done is trade 2nd bottom for 3rd bottom, for anything from 26 points to 37 points. |  | | |
| That's a bit of luck for us. on 10:59 - May 20 with 970 views | JammyDodgerrr |
Realistically it should work out that we are fighting for 18th, along with a group of teams that I assume would include:
Leeds
Sunderland
Forest
West Ham/Spurs
Palace - Dependent on appointment
Fulham - If Silva leaves
Even if Spurs stay up, they've been loitering around the bottom three for two seasons so i don't think it's as easy to say they will just sort themselves out.
I don't think Everton will be near it with Moyes in charge, he's too good of a manager. It's a real opportunity for us and let's hope we grab it. |  |
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| That's a bit of luck for us. on 11:18 - May 20 with 876 views | jayessess |
That yo-yo clubs should be in a better position feels true but unfortunately isn't in practice.
The last 12 seasons have seen 17 yo-yo clubs go back up with parachute payments versus 19 going up as "freshers". Of the latter 12/19 (63%) stayed up in their first season, of the former 5/17 stayed up (29%).
So on that specific basis (and it's not the only thing obviously), Coventry, Hull or Middlesbrough would be more than twice as likely as us to stay up. [Post edited 20 May 17:14]
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| That's a bit of luck for us. on 11:18 - May 20 with 874 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| That's a bit of luck for us. on 10:55 - May 20 by Dennyx4 |
This is a good debate, I think you should always look at how many points 4th bottom got, to determine how many you need to stay up.
Last season Tottenham finished 4th bottom on 38 points, meaning we would have needed that many points to avoid relegation, not one more point than 3rd bottom, as we would still have been in the bottom three with 26 points.
All we would have done is trade 2nd bottom for 3rd bottom, for anything from 26 points to 37 points. |
Hmmm, not sure I see the logic of that. That's only because WE were one of those relegated teams. If there are 3 teams in the bottom 3 that get a high points total of 26 you need 27. Yes, last season WE, as one of the clubs within the relegation zone needed to get 38, but what about the 15 seasons before?!! Any 3 teams below you, get one more point and stay up.
All hypothetical, obviously and makes no real impact on the reality of a relegation battle. | | | |
| That's a bit of luck for us. on 11:45 - May 20 with 769 views | Dennyx4 |
| That's a bit of luck for us. on 11:18 - May 20 by Axeldalai_lama |
Hmmm, not sure I see the logic of that. That's only because WE were one of those relegated teams. If there are 3 teams in the bottom 3 that get a high points total of 26 you need 27. Yes, last season WE, as one of the clubs within the relegation zone needed to get 38, but what about the 15 seasons before?!! Any 3 teams below you, get one more point and stay up.
All hypothetical, obviously and makes no real impact on the reality of a relegation battle. |
The logic is that it was very unlikely that four teams will have that poor of a season. Don’t believe it has ever happened.
27 points would not have been enough for us to stay up in any season.
As I say you should look at how many points it takes to finish fourth bottom, not one point ahead of third bottom. | | | |
| That's a bit of luck for us. on 11:52 - May 20 with 718 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| That's a bit of luck for us. on 11:45 - May 20 by Dennyx4 |
The logic is that it was very unlikely that four teams will have that poor of a season. Don’t believe it has ever happened.
27 points would not have been enough for us to stay up in any season.
As I say you should look at how many points it takes to finish fourth bottom, not one point ahead of third bottom. |
Good luck to you, but that's not how maths or logic works. Anyway, it's all hypothetical and means precisely nothing. | | | |
| That's a bit of luck for us. on 11:53 - May 20 with 716 views | Dennyx4 |
| That's a bit of luck for us. on 11:18 - May 20 by Axeldalai_lama |
Hmmm, not sure I see the logic of that. That's only because WE were one of those relegated teams. If there are 3 teams in the bottom 3 that get a high points total of 26 you need 27. Yes, last season WE, as one of the clubs within the relegation zone needed to get 38, but what about the 15 seasons before?!! Any 3 teams below you, get one more point and stay up.
All hypothetical, obviously and makes no real impact on the reality of a relegation battle. |
The lowest points tally for a club to not be relegated from the Premier League is 32 by Nottingham Forest, but that included a points deduction. | | | |
| That's a bit of luck for us. on 12:06 - May 20 with 658 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| That's a bit of luck for us. on 11:53 - May 20 by Dennyx4 |
The lowest points tally for a club to not be relegated from the Premier League is 32 by Nottingham Forest, but that included a points deduction. |
I don't think we're disagreeing really! It's hard to not get relegated. The only difference is the specifics of what it might take vs what it theoretically COULD take. | | | |
| That's a bit of luck for us. on 12:50 - May 20 with 547 views | Vic |
| That's a bit of luck for us. on 10:55 - May 20 by Dennyx4 |
This is a good debate, I think you should always look at how many points 4th bottom got, to determine how many you need to stay up.
Last season Tottenham finished 4th bottom on 38 points, meaning we would have needed that many points to avoid relegation, not one more point than 3rd bottom, as we would still have been in the bottom three with 26 points.
All we would have done is trade 2nd bottom for 3rd bottom, for anything from 26 points to 37 points. |
I'd completely forgotten that Spurs finished 4th bottom last year. This year really isn't a blip for them is it! Shocking for a club their size. |  |
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| That's a bit of luck for us. on 14:33 - May 20 with 396 views | Rimsy |
Don't suppose we will, but a back 5 is in order, especially when leif plays. We shipped too many last time to give ourselves a chance. |  |
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| That's a bit of luck for us. on 17:35 - May 20 with 213 views | muccletonjoe |
| That's a bit of luck for us. on 06:33 - May 20 by Blue_Heath |
Except Palace and Forest both very experienced at beating the drop.
Make no mistake next year will be incredibly difficult, look at what the Burnley team did in the champ and how they performed this season.
40 points looking like the new norm to stay up, that's a big ask. |
So important to get 3 or 4 wins from the first 10 games. Leaves us with roughly 30 points to gets from the rest of season, which is doable |  | | |
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