| Two-tier policing? 20:06 - Jun 4 with 4739 views | StokieBlue |
As the investigation into the conduct of Hampshire police rightly continues after the horrible policing around the death of Nowak, some other things are coming to light which don't look great for the narrative pushed by Farage in his emergency speech and in the HoC.
"For the last year data was available, Hampshire’s officers were 5.1 times more likely to stop and search someone black than a white person. The average disproportionality rate in England and Wales was 3.8 times."
"The racial disparity has increased in recent years in Hampshire, with black people 4.8 times more likely to be stopped than a white person in 2024-5, up from 4.1 times in 2023-4. The force has also increased its use of stop and search, up from 12,000 two years earlier."
https://www.theguardian.com/uk
Before anyone starts, this isn't politicising the horrible events that have happened, it's using evidence to highlight that the incitement and narrative that Farage and others are spinning is nonsense. Lessons will have to be learnt and changes will have to be made but to claim it's an anti-white bias simply isn't true when one looks at the evidence.
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| Two-tier policing? on 13:34 - Jun 5 with 1030 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Two-tier policing? on 13:30 - Jun 5 by TownieRob |
I wasn't comparing the crimes themselves, I was comparing the scrutiny of police conduct.
The question here isn't whether a civilian committed a crime. The question is whether the police response was appropriate once they were dealing with someone who said he'd been stabbed. |
Read the judges comments.
No issue with scrutiny but the floyd reference is a massively bad faith false equivalence designed to support a narrative. |  |
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| Two-tier policing? on 13:42 - Jun 5 with 995 views | TownieRob |
| Two-tier policing? on 11:47 - Jun 5 by Whos_blue |
But Glassers,to stay silent is surely as bad as supporting Farage's vile rhetoric.
It has to be called out.
We talk about "both sidesing" a lot here and it's the reality of today's polarised political discourse, but there is only "One side" that disgustingly used this tragedy as a call to arms to create racial division.
I can't sit back and stay out of that and to be honest and with respect, I can't believe you can either.
The narrative the (far) right is pushing here is shameful.
It seems their sympathy to the Novak family is secondary to the opportunity to push their hate filled agenda.
That's not movement I want to be anywhere near and I'll maintain my commitment to doing what I can to oppose it. |
When George Floyd died, public anger and political activism were not only accepted, but were actively encouraged. Sadiq Khan himself said the death had "rightly ignited fury and anguish not just in the USA but around the world"...So let's not pretend that using a tragic event to discuss wider societal issues is something invented by one side of politics. The difference here seems to be whether people agree with the issue being raised.
Anyway, thanks to those who have engaged with me. Communication and open discussion are important, even when we don't agree.
Have a great rest of your day. | | | |
| Two-tier policing? on 13:55 - Jun 5 with 955 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Two-tier policing? on 13:42 - Jun 5 by TownieRob |
When George Floyd died, public anger and political activism were not only accepted, but were actively encouraged. Sadiq Khan himself said the death had "rightly ignited fury and anguish not just in the USA but around the world"...So let's not pretend that using a tragic event to discuss wider societal issues is something invented by one side of politics. The difference here seems to be whether people agree with the issue being raised.
Anyway, thanks to those who have engaged with me. Communication and open discussion are important, even when we don't agree.
Have a great rest of your day. |
Utterly disgusting false equivalence being drawn here. Not sure i can express in words my utter alarm and fear that people are really doing this stuff in the UK in 2026. | |
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| Two-tier policing? on 14:06 - Jun 5 with 906 views | TownieRob |
| Two-tier policing? on 13:55 - Jun 5 by redrickstuhaart |
Utterly disgusting false equivalence being drawn here. Not sure i can express in words my utter alarm and fear that people are really doing this stuff in the UK in 2026. |
You're definitely still looking for something in my comments that simply isn't there, however many big words you use to dress it up.
I've never said the cases were identical. I've never claimed anti-white racism. I've never claimed two-tier policing, but please please let's not pretend that outrage, activism and political campaigning following a tragedy is something invented by one side of politics. We've seen it from all sides over the years.
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| Two-tier policing? on 14:07 - Jun 5 with 894 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Two-tier policing? on 12:55 - Jun 5 by lowhouseblue |
perhaps this is the bit you think is misinformation:
"there is now a significant list of instances in which, very widely, policing in england is not perceived as having been even-handed."
you really think that is 'misinformation' - that that it isn't widely perceived? politically, just wishing away inconvenient stuff never works.
the instances i had in mind are the ban on maccabi tel aviv supporters and everything that came out prior to the departure of the chief constable; police passivity in response to the 2022 riots in leicester and the 2024 riots in birmingham; the npcc guidance that police shouldn't be colour blind; and the systematic failure of public authorities including the police to act against child grooming gangs.
are you really saying that there isn't a wide spread public perception in those instances that the police weren't even-handed? [Post edited 5 Jun 12:58]
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Think your examples are debatable to say the least.
A parliamentary enquiry found the police response not to be as you say for the Birmingham riots etc
It's just an insidious agenda you consistently promote |  | | |
| Two-tier policing? on 14:09 - Jun 5 with 879 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Two-tier policing? on 13:42 - Jun 5 by TownieRob |
When George Floyd died, public anger and political activism were not only accepted, but were actively encouraged. Sadiq Khan himself said the death had "rightly ignited fury and anguish not just in the USA but around the world"...So let's not pretend that using a tragic event to discuss wider societal issues is something invented by one side of politics. The difference here seems to be whether people agree with the issue being raised.
Anyway, thanks to those who have engaged with me. Communication and open discussion are important, even when we don't agree.
Have a great rest of your day. |
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| Two-tier policing? on 14:46 - Jun 5 with 812 views | Benters |
| Two-tier policing? on 13:42 - Jun 5 by TownieRob |
When George Floyd died, public anger and political activism were not only accepted, but were actively encouraged. Sadiq Khan himself said the death had "rightly ignited fury and anguish not just in the USA but around the world"...So let's not pretend that using a tragic event to discuss wider societal issues is something invented by one side of politics. The difference here seems to be whether people agree with the issue being raised.
Anyway, thanks to those who have engaged with me. Communication and open discussion are important, even when we don't agree.
Have a great rest of your day. |
I can’t see what you have said wrong in your posts tbh. |  |
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| Two-tier policing? on 14:51 - Jun 5 with 791 views | StokieBlue |
| Two-tier policing? on 14:46 - Jun 5 by Benters |
I can’t see what you have said wrong in your posts tbh. |
Well except the incidents are nothing alike unless it suits your agenda to make them alike.
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| Two-tier policing? on 15:01 - Jun 5 with 755 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| Two-tier policing? on 12:57 - Jun 5 by lowhouseblue |
you mean real stuff that matters to real people? but they're all just stupid oiks to be sneered at by the left aren't they so who cares.
all that inconvenient stuff, just say it's lies and it'll go away. |
Do you not think “real people” have a responsibility to do the bare minimum level of reading or listening to ensure that the “real stuff” is actually a thing, and not just lies they’re blindly swallowing?
I mean as a bit of a shortcut, there really is no greater degree of reassurance that “two-tier policing” doesn’t exist in the UK than the fact that Donald Trump and Elon Musk have just said it does. | | | |
| Two-tier policing? on 15:04 - Jun 5 with 752 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Two-tier policing? on 14:06 - Jun 5 by TownieRob |
You're definitely still looking for something in my comments that simply isn't there, however many big words you use to dress it up.
I've never said the cases were identical. I've never claimed anti-white racism. I've never claimed two-tier policing, but please please let's not pretend that outrage, activism and political campaigning following a tragedy is something invented by one side of politics. We've seen it from all sides over the years.
Have a good day. |
So what are you saying? You're doing that dance where you are just asking questions, except you're not. So you're not comparing this to Floyd? And you've already said others are not allowed to compare stop and search to this. You haven't said it's anti white you haven't said its two tier. How about you clearly state what you do think rather than what you haven't fully insinuated or fully dismissed.
You've contributed multiple times on multiple threads but what are you saying? A bad thing happened that isn't anti white, isn't two tier, but should be compared to one of the most notorious police killings of this century. Should be used for political gain because other cases have?
You whip up a lot of dust by saying very little of substance. Just clarify your actual position and I think it might settle a little. You don't need to address my points and that I am misinterpreting you. Just clarify what point you are making.
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| Two-tier policing? on 15:22 - Jun 5 with 696 views | jayessess |
Beyond how often police are likely to stop you, if police do decide to use force or restrain you, black people are 7 times as likely to die in such encounters:
https://inquest.org.uk/news-an |  |
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| Two-tier policing? on 16:23 - Jun 5 with 614 views | eireblue |
| Two-tier policing? on 15:01 - Jun 5 by FoghornGleghorn |
Do you not think “real people” have a responsibility to do the bare minimum level of reading or listening to ensure that the “real stuff” is actually a thing, and not just lies they’re blindly swallowing?
I mean as a bit of a shortcut, there really is no greater degree of reassurance that “two-tier policing” doesn’t exist in the UK than the fact that Donald Trump and Elon Musk have just said it does. |
Something interesting happens on some of these threads.
Stats are produced, but questioned, are the demographics correct…etc…
I have also seen stats not really addressed when demographics are not a consideration, and show bias.
The lived experienced of the people that the stats apply too is not mentioned.
However the very real concerns of some people, are supposed to be addressed, without considering, if there are any data points that show the people with very real concerns, should in fact be concerned.
Feels like two tiered arguments are sometimes used, by some people.
But I have no real stats on that.
Should I work from feels or reals. Hmmm… |  | | |
| Two-tier policing? on 21:45 - Jun 5 with 495 views | bournemouthblue |
| Two-tier policing? on 16:23 - Jun 5 by eireblue |
Something interesting happens on some of these threads.
Stats are produced, but questioned, are the demographics correct…etc…
I have also seen stats not really addressed when demographics are not a consideration, and show bias.
The lived experienced of the people that the stats apply too is not mentioned.
However the very real concerns of some people, are supposed to be addressed, without considering, if there are any data points that show the people with very real concerns, should in fact be concerned.
Feels like two tiered arguments are sometimes used, by some people.
But I have no real stats on that.
Should I work from feels or reals. Hmmm… |
I don't remember the two-tierers moaning about this one
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| Two-tier policing? on 22:27 - Jun 5 with 450 views | BlueBoots |
| Two-tier policing? on 16:23 - Jun 5 by eireblue |
Something interesting happens on some of these threads.
Stats are produced, but questioned, are the demographics correct…etc…
I have also seen stats not really addressed when demographics are not a consideration, and show bias.
The lived experienced of the people that the stats apply too is not mentioned.
However the very real concerns of some people, are supposed to be addressed, without considering, if there are any data points that show the people with very real concerns, should in fact be concerned.
Feels like two tiered arguments are sometimes used, by some people.
But I have no real stats on that.
Should I work from feels or reals. Hmmm… |
Posting a few more stats, without comment (very quick research, so if there are errors, please feel free to correct)...
In Hampshire, you are 5.1x more likely to be stopped and searched if you are Black, in a county which is 1.6% Black by ethnicity
In the UK, you are 3.8x more likely to be stopped and searched if you are Black, in a country which is 4% Black by ethnicity
In London, you are 3.4x more likely to be stopped and searched if you are Black, in a city which is 13.5% Black by ethnicity
Sod it, I will comment...as someone mixed race, I'm f**king glad I live in London
EDIT: Although probably best not to hang around in the wealthier areas...
https://www.theguardian.com/la [Post edited 5 Jun 22:31]
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| Two-tier policing? on 10:10 - Jun 6 with 282 views | Benters |
| Two-tier policing? on 21:45 - Jun 5 by bournemouthblue |
I don't remember the two-tierers moaning about this one
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| Two-tier policing? on 10:13 - Jun 6 with 261 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Two-tier policing? on 10:10 - Jun 6 by Benters |
Yeah that went well didn’t it |
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| Two-tier policing? on 10:17 - Jun 6 with 241 views | StokieBlue |
I assume he's not happy with the sentencing of those involved in the Manchester incident.
Should have been shipped off to an island where large lizards roam to fight for survival.
Something like this:
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