| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast 15:08 - Jun 9 with 9384 views | noggin |
and planned anti immigrant protests tonight. If true, I fear it could get nasty. This really couldn't have come at a worse time for the UK. [Post edited 9 Jun 15:13]
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 15:16 - Jun 9 with 3693 views | giant_stow |
Yeap, a very scary situation. |  |
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 15:20 - Jun 9 with 3654 views | LandOfMickyStockwell |
...or come at a worse time for the victim.
I hope he recovers, justice delivered and the circumstances that led to this not repeated. |  | | |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 15:23 - Jun 9 with 3611 views | TresBonne |
Would advise to try and avoid the video of it. Grim.
How much longer can we put up with senseless violence on our streets? |  | | |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 15:58 - Jun 9 with 3461 views | noggin |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 15:23 - Jun 9 by TresBonne |
Would advise to try and avoid the video of it. Grim.
How much longer can we put up with senseless violence on our streets? |
"How much longer can we put up with senseless violence on our streets?"
How would you suggest it's stopped? | |
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:04 - Jun 9 with 3411 views | giant_stow |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 15:58 - Jun 9 by noggin |
"How much longer can we put up with senseless violence on our streets?"
How would you suggest it's stopped? |
Read this the other day: https://frasernelson.substack.
Seems worth posting now. Particularly the graph on immigration going up and crime going down [Post edited 9 Jun 16:05]
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:16 - Jun 9 with 3326 views | Churchman |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:04 - Jun 9 by giant_stow |
Read this the other day: https://frasernelson.substack.
Seems worth posting now. Particularly the graph on immigration going up and crime going down [Post edited 9 Jun 16:05]
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Open question: has crime gone down or has reported and/or recorded crime gone down?
I ask because with the tories taking an axe to police numbers, stations closed, advice given to not stop shoplifters, burglaries not investigated (anecdotal statement - I’ve no evidence), is everything/anything recorded?
Are the government massaging the information? Governments do that for political gain or survival. I’ve seen it done. |  | | |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:18 - Jun 9 with 3314 views | itfcjoe |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:16 - Jun 9 by Churchman |
Open question: has crime gone down or has reported and/or recorded crime gone down?
I ask because with the tories taking an axe to police numbers, stations closed, advice given to not stop shoplifters, burglaries not investigated (anecdotal statement - I’ve no evidence), is everything/anything recorded?
Are the government massaging the information? Governments do that for political gain or survival. I’ve seen it done. |
It's hard to know on all crimes, but stabbings as an example are way down - because that sort of stuff is recorded via the NHS as well as the police. |  |
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:20 - Jun 9 with 3300 views | TownieRob |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:04 - Jun 9 by giant_stow |
Read this the other day: https://frasernelson.substack.
Seems worth posting now. Particularly the graph on immigration going up and crime going down [Post edited 9 Jun 16:05]
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It really isn't worth posting that now, not even remotely. A man in Belfast has reportedly almost had his head cut off, yet you're keen to share graphs showing crime going down while immigration goes up. It's completely tone deaf.
This comes not long after the tragic death of Rhiannon Skye, who was killed by a man from Sudan (same country as last nights horrific event). These aren't abstract statistics on a graph. They're real victims with real consequences.
I sincerely hope the authorities get a grip of this quickly, establish the full facts, and take whatever action is necessary to prevent similar tragedies ever happening again. [Post edited 9 Jun 16:21]
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:22 - Jun 9 with 3271 views | giant_stow |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:20 - Jun 9 by TownieRob |
It really isn't worth posting that now, not even remotely. A man in Belfast has reportedly almost had his head cut off, yet you're keen to share graphs showing crime going down while immigration goes up. It's completely tone deaf.
This comes not long after the tragic death of Rhiannon Skye, who was killed by a man from Sudan (same country as last nights horrific event). These aren't abstract statistics on a graph. They're real victims with real consequences.
I sincerely hope the authorities get a grip of this quickly, establish the full facts, and take whatever action is necessary to prevent similar tragedies ever happening again. [Post edited 9 Jun 16:21]
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I'm sorry to have annoyed you and have no wish to stir the pot, even if I disagree with your point. | |
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:25 - Jun 9 with 3240 views | positivity |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:20 - Jun 9 by TownieRob |
It really isn't worth posting that now, not even remotely. A man in Belfast has reportedly almost had his head cut off, yet you're keen to share graphs showing crime going down while immigration goes up. It's completely tone deaf.
This comes not long after the tragic death of Rhiannon Skye, who was killed by a man from Sudan (same country as last nights horrific event). These aren't abstract statistics on a graph. They're real victims with real consequences.
I sincerely hope the authorities get a grip of this quickly, establish the full facts, and take whatever action is necessary to prevent similar tragedies ever happening again. [Post edited 9 Jun 16:21]
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*every single person* in the statistics is a real victim with real consequences.
fortunately there are less of them than in the past, doesn't make them any less a tragedy
don't belittle them, just because they don't fit in with your agenda | |
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:35 - Jun 9 with 3152 views | MattinLondon |
Of all places you would think that Belfast would understand the dangers involved in blaming an entire group for a senseless act of violence.
When Sarah Everard was murdered we were told by hate-preacher Farage that we shouldn’t blame all police officers or that not all men posed a danger to women. But apparently this is different when it involves an ethnic minority.
Wonder why? [Post edited 9 Jun 20:36]
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:53 - Jun 9 with 3039 views | TownieRob |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:25 - Jun 9 by positivity |
*every single person* in the statistics is a real victim with real consequences.
fortunately there are less of them than in the past, doesn't make them any less a tragedy
don't belittle them, just because they don't fit in with your agenda |
You're absolutely desperate to pick apart a word or sentence rather than engage with the actual point being made. This place is unreal sometimes. Nobody is belittling victims (I'm most definitely not). The point is that when something this horrific happens, immediately reaching for a graph to explain why people shouldn't be concerned comes across as incredibly insensitive.
Unsurpringly, you've gone straight to 'agenda'. It's okay though. Everything is fine, nothing to worry about and anyone who raises concerns must have an agenda (or be 'far right'). Has it ever dawned on you that most people you're quick to label 'far right' would much rather not be discussing any of this at all? The ideal scenario would be that these incidents never happened in the first place. People aren't talking about these cases because they enjoy talking about them. They're talking about them because they have happened and probably could be avoided, but apparently pointing that out is worse than the incident itself.
Some people are so convinced of their own intelligence and worldview that they simply cannot entertain the possibility they might be wrong. That said, I really should have expected nothing else. | | | |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:56 - Jun 9 with 3014 views | TownieRob |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:35 - Jun 9 by MattinLondon |
Of all places you would think that Belfast would understand the dangers involved in blaming an entire group for a senseless act of violence.
When Sarah Everard was murdered we were told by hate-preacher Farage that we shouldn’t blame all police officers or that not all men posed a danger to women. But apparently this is different when it involves an ethnic minority.
Wonder why? [Post edited 9 Jun 20:36]
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Wonder why?
Perhaps because people can see what's happening in front of them and don't feel the need to filter every event through their obsession with Farage or the far right? | | | |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:58 - Jun 9 with 2979 views | noggin |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:56 - Jun 9 by TownieRob |
Wonder why?
Perhaps because people can see what's happening in front of them and don't feel the need to filter every event through their obsession with Farage or the far right? |
What's happening in front of you? | |
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 17:01 - Jun 9 with 2957 views | positivity |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:53 - Jun 9 by TownieRob |
You're absolutely desperate to pick apart a word or sentence rather than engage with the actual point being made. This place is unreal sometimes. Nobody is belittling victims (I'm most definitely not). The point is that when something this horrific happens, immediately reaching for a graph to explain why people shouldn't be concerned comes across as incredibly insensitive.
Unsurpringly, you've gone straight to 'agenda'. It's okay though. Everything is fine, nothing to worry about and anyone who raises concerns must have an agenda (or be 'far right'). Has it ever dawned on you that most people you're quick to label 'far right' would much rather not be discussing any of this at all? The ideal scenario would be that these incidents never happened in the first place. People aren't talking about these cases because they enjoy talking about them. They're talking about them because they have happened and probably could be avoided, but apparently pointing that out is worse than the incident itself.
Some people are so convinced of their own intelligence and worldview that they simply cannot entertain the possibility they might be wrong. That said, I really should have expected nothing else. |
stow wasn't belittling, he was providing context. you're the only one desperate to identify them as sudanese and then linking it to the other sudanese murderer in recent years and trying to suggest a pattern. that looks like an agenda to me.
it's a tragedy that someone was injured, hopefully they pull through, but it's also everyone true that everyone of the "statistics" you belittle is an equal tragedy, and it's obviously a positive that the numbers are coming down.
what part of that do you disagree with? what do you suggest to bring down the numbers further? violent demonstrations? more impotent "rage"?
my suggestion would be to watch the southgate documentary and see how we can provide more positive male role models rather than the tates/robinsons/farages etc | |
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 17:01 - Jun 9 with 2953 views | Blueschev |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:53 - Jun 9 by TownieRob |
You're absolutely desperate to pick apart a word or sentence rather than engage with the actual point being made. This place is unreal sometimes. Nobody is belittling victims (I'm most definitely not). The point is that when something this horrific happens, immediately reaching for a graph to explain why people shouldn't be concerned comes across as incredibly insensitive.
Unsurpringly, you've gone straight to 'agenda'. It's okay though. Everything is fine, nothing to worry about and anyone who raises concerns must have an agenda (or be 'far right'). Has it ever dawned on you that most people you're quick to label 'far right' would much rather not be discussing any of this at all? The ideal scenario would be that these incidents never happened in the first place. People aren't talking about these cases because they enjoy talking about them. They're talking about them because they have happened and probably could be avoided, but apparently pointing that out is worse than the incident itself.
Some people are so convinced of their own intelligence and worldview that they simply cannot entertain the possibility they might be wrong. That said, I really should have expected nothing else. |
"Some people are so convinced of their own intelligence and worldview that they simply cannot entertain the possibility they might be wrong." I think there's only one person on this thread dismissing things for no other reason than they don't fit their worldview. |  | | |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 17:06 - Jun 9 with 2895 views | giant_stow |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:56 - Jun 9 by TownieRob |
Wonder why?
Perhaps because people can see what's happening in front of them and don't feel the need to filter every event through their obsession with Farage or the far right? |
I know I said I'd leave it, but this: "people can see what's happening in front of them" is exactly why I posted that graph. | |
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 17:19 - Jun 9 with 2816 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:20 - Jun 9 by TownieRob |
It really isn't worth posting that now, not even remotely. A man in Belfast has reportedly almost had his head cut off, yet you're keen to share graphs showing crime going down while immigration goes up. It's completely tone deaf.
This comes not long after the tragic death of Rhiannon Skye, who was killed by a man from Sudan (same country as last nights horrific event). These aren't abstract statistics on a graph. They're real victims with real consequences.
I sincerely hope the authorities get a grip of this quickly, establish the full facts, and take whatever action is necessary to prevent similar tragedies ever happening again. [Post edited 9 Jun 16:21]
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No. Its a fair and reasonable pre-emption of the way bigots will doubtless try to make dishonest political capital out of it, if it turns out an immigrant was involved.
In passing I will point out that there were 18 recorded paramilitary style assaults / punishment beatings in NI last year. I have a sneaking suspicion that is a much bigger issue than stabbings by immigrants. But that doesn't provide an agenda with leverage... | |
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 17:22 - Jun 9 with 2790 views | TownieRob |
It's impossible on here sometimes. Every comment becomes an exercise in finding the 'real meaning', spotting the hidden agenda or explaining why someone else's concerns aren't valid.
The certainty with which some people declare themselves right is always impressive. The self-awareness, less so.
Anyway, good luck. I should have expected nothing else. | | | |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 17:26 - Jun 9 with 2736 views | MattinLondon |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 17:22 - Jun 9 by TownieRob |
It's impossible on here sometimes. Every comment becomes an exercise in finding the 'real meaning', spotting the hidden agenda or explaining why someone else's concerns aren't valid.
The certainty with which some people declare themselves right is always impressive. The self-awareness, less so.
Anyway, good luck. I should have expected nothing else. |
With respect, you still have not clarified what is happening in front of you. | | | |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 17:28 - Jun 9 with 2697 views | Blueschev |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 17:22 - Jun 9 by TownieRob |
It's impossible on here sometimes. Every comment becomes an exercise in finding the 'real meaning', spotting the hidden agenda or explaining why someone else's concerns aren't valid.
The certainty with which some people declare themselves right is always impressive. The self-awareness, less so.
Anyway, good luck. I should have expected nothing else. |
"The certainty with which some people declare themselves right is always impressive. The self-awareness, less so." Again, an accurate description of one particular poster on this thread. | | | |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 17:46 - Jun 9 with 2593 views | eireblue |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:53 - Jun 9 by TownieRob |
You're absolutely desperate to pick apart a word or sentence rather than engage with the actual point being made. This place is unreal sometimes. Nobody is belittling victims (I'm most definitely not). The point is that when something this horrific happens, immediately reaching for a graph to explain why people shouldn't be concerned comes across as incredibly insensitive.
Unsurpringly, you've gone straight to 'agenda'. It's okay though. Everything is fine, nothing to worry about and anyone who raises concerns must have an agenda (or be 'far right'). Has it ever dawned on you that most people you're quick to label 'far right' would much rather not be discussing any of this at all? The ideal scenario would be that these incidents never happened in the first place. People aren't talking about these cases because they enjoy talking about them. They're talking about them because they have happened and probably could be avoided, but apparently pointing that out is worse than the incident itself.
Some people are so convinced of their own intelligence and worldview that they simply cannot entertain the possibility they might be wrong. That said, I really should have expected nothing else. |
“ I sincerely hope the authorities get a grip of this quickly, establish the full facts, and take whatever action is necessary to prevent similar tragedies ever happening again.”
Isn’t posting evidence that action is being taken, and that it has been working, is the correct thing to do given your stated concern.
Until such crime is reduced to zero, there will always be tragedies.
Surely, you should be reassured that, the authorities have been preventing similar tragedies.
That’s what the stats are showing. [Post edited 9 Jun 17:58]
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 17:48 - Jun 9 with 2560 views | bartyg |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 16:16 - Jun 9 by Churchman |
Open question: has crime gone down or has reported and/or recorded crime gone down?
I ask because with the tories taking an axe to police numbers, stations closed, advice given to not stop shoplifters, burglaries not investigated (anecdotal statement - I’ve no evidence), is everything/anything recorded?
Are the government massaging the information? Governments do that for political gain or survival. I’ve seen it done. |
This is a concerning level of conspiracy |  |
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 17:58 - Jun 9 with 2484 views | grow_our_own |
"man in Belfast has reportedly almost had his head cut off, yet you're keen to share graphs showing crime going down while immigration goes up" - do you know what statistics are? Statistics are many such individuals. Grown-up policy makers make decisions based on all such horrible incidents, not one. Populists & fascists shout only about ones involving their preferred in/out-group. This isn't cold-hearted, it's kindness. [Post edited 9 Jun 17:59]
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 18:12 - Jun 9 with 2379 views | Churchman |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 17:48 - Jun 9 by bartyg |
This is a concerning level of conspiracy |
Where is there conspiracy in asking a question?
Please explain. | | | |
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