| Belfast 07:14 - Jun 10 with 1642 views | Zx1988 |
So it seems that Tommy Ten Names and Novgorod Nige have finally managed to incite the race riot they've been so desperately craving:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/liv
I desperately wish that the powers that be would grow a pair, and finally charge them both with incitement. Reading about last night's happenings, it feels like a miracle that nobody was killed. [Post edited 10 Jun 7:15]
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| Belfast on 08:06 - Jun 10 with 1452 views | bluejacko |
Really! If you think that they have much influence here you are sadly mistaken!
Not condoning the violence at all but this has been coming for a while. By the way most of the protests were peaceful. | | | |
| Belfast on 09:39 - Jun 10 with 1280 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Belfast on 08:06 - Jun 10 by bluejacko |
Really! If you think that they have much influence here you are sadly mistaken!
Not condoning the violence at all but this has been coming for a while. By the way most of the protests were peaceful. |
This has been fired up by social media and racist rabble rousers, whether those two in particular or not. You don't see this response to punishment beatings routinely carried out in NI by good old white locals. | |
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| Belfast on 09:42 - Jun 10 with 1272 views | bsw72 |
| Belfast on 08:06 - Jun 10 by bluejacko |
Really! If you think that they have much influence here you are sadly mistaken!
Not condoning the violence at all but this has been coming for a while. By the way most of the protests were peaceful. |
With respect, “most of the protests were peaceful” is a remarkable way to describe nights where houses, buses and vehicles were set ablaze, masked men kicked in doors and windows, and a police car was torched in Portadown.
But let’s address the real issue. What were these protests fundamentally about? Not justice, an arrest had already been made. They were about targeting people based on where they came from and what they look like. Families were burned out of their homes, foreign-owned businesses attacked, asylum seekers specifically targeted; none of whom had any connection to the individual charged.
And here’s the question nobody making the “two-tier society” argument seems willing to answer: where were these same people when three white teenagers were convicted of raping two girls? No riots. No burning buses. No masked men kicking in doors. Silence. The outrage, it turns out, is highly selective and that selectivity tells you everything you need to know about what’s actually motivating it.
That is collective punishment of a minority community based purely on ethnicity. And I’ll say it plainly: we’ve seen this before. Germany in the 1930s didn’t begin with death camps. It began with exactly this; street violence, arson, the targeting of homes and businesses, while ordinary people told themselves it had “been coming for a while” and that most of it was peaceful anyway.
The fact that it’s been building doesn’t make it acceptable. It makes it more alarming. If you genuinely believe in a fair and equal society, that principle has to apply consistently not just when the perpetrator fits a particular profile. |  | | |
| Belfast on 09:43 - Jun 10 with 1251 views | Zx1988 |
| Belfast on 08:06 - Jun 10 by bluejacko |
Really! If you think that they have much influence here you are sadly mistaken!
Not condoning the violence at all but this has been coming for a while. By the way most of the protests were peaceful. |
How many black families being burnt out of their homes do you consider too many, then?
You seem to think that the alleged peaceful majority rather outweighs what has been described by local politicians as a 'pogrom'. | |
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| Belfast on 09:52 - Jun 10 with 1195 views | lowhouseblue |
it's belfast though - burning buses is just their equivalent of morris dancing. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Belfast on 10:04 - Jun 10 with 1146 views | SomethingBlue |
| Belfast on 08:06 - Jun 10 by bluejacko |
Really! If you think that they have much influence here you are sadly mistaken!
Not condoning the violence at all but this has been coming for a while. By the way most of the protests were peaceful. |
They are absolutely fundamental to what is happening – wake up. | |
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| Belfast on 10:34 - Jun 10 with 1064 views | bluejacko |
| Belfast on 10:04 - Jun 10 by SomethingBlue |
They are absolutely fundamental to what is happening – wake up. |
What the politicians here should be more worried about are the reports of shady figures on both sides working together! Now that is concerning! | | | |
| Belfast on 10:43 - Jun 10 with 1037 views | C_Jam_Blue |
| Belfast on 08:06 - Jun 10 by bluejacko |
Really! If you think that they have much influence here you are sadly mistaken!
Not condoning the violence at all but this has been coming for a while. By the way most of the protests were peaceful. |
'All this has been coming for a while' you say. What might have caused the increased tensions? How about the rise of an openly racist political party latching onto general public disillusionment with the economic and political situation. History provides plenty of examples.
'Not condoning the violence but most of the protests were peaceful' I am afraid this means you are condoning the violence. From Trump's 'there were good people on both sides' to 'The Troubles' in Northern Ireland where there was also plenty of peaceful protest, to not condemn is to encourage.
Apparently at the last census the immigrant population in Northern Ireland was 6.5% (born outside the UK and Ireland) and 10% for Belfast. This is not a community being swamped. It is however a city which still has huge underlying tensions and the possibility of violence breaking out is high. | | | |
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| Belfast on 10:45 - Jun 10 with 1019 views | vapour_trail |
| Belfast on 09:52 - Jun 10 by lowhouseblue |
it's belfast though - burning buses is just their equivalent of morris dancing. |
Some casual bigotry seems entirely appropriate here. |  |
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| Belfast on 10:47 - Jun 10 with 999 views | TIB |
Or the powers that be grow a back bone and invest in mental healthcare, have harsher punishments for carrying a knife and vet all people that come into the country?
I would think actions like this would reduce incidents and thus reduce the fuel for the likes of Tommy to spur on anger and unrest.
People are entitled to feel angry about the increase in incidents like this happening. We’ve seen multiple mentally unwell people (some of foreign descent) butcher kids at a summer camp, stab students on a night out and now blind and attempt to behead a bloke in a street.
I don’t condone Belfast happenings last night but it still feels like the government are doing nothing to reduce these incidents. Easier said than done no doubt, just feels like this ongoing angle of making it about the “far right” after these incidents just means we don’t resolve the issues at the core. |  |
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| Belfast on 11:03 - Jun 10 with 918 views | lowhouseblue |
| Belfast on 10:45 - Jun 10 by vapour_trail |
Some casual bigotry seems entirely appropriate here. |
it's what you do well. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Belfast on 11:08 - Jun 10 with 877 views | bluejacko |
| Belfast on 10:43 - Jun 10 by C_Jam_Blue |
'All this has been coming for a while' you say. What might have caused the increased tensions? How about the rise of an openly racist political party latching onto general public disillusionment with the economic and political situation. History provides plenty of examples.
'Not condoning the violence but most of the protests were peaceful' I am afraid this means you are condoning the violence. From Trump's 'there were good people on both sides' to 'The Troubles' in Northern Ireland where there was also plenty of peaceful protest, to not condemn is to encourage.
Apparently at the last census the immigrant population in Northern Ireland was 6.5% (born outside the UK and Ireland) and 10% for Belfast. This is not a community being swamped. It is however a city which still has huge underlying tensions and the possibility of violence breaking out is high. |
Thanks for your insight into my thoughts I’ll be sure to ignore them👍
Reform does not even stand here so they will never be in the assembly let alone have any MPs,
The tension over immigration is all over the island of Ireland not just here in the North! This is no excuse for the violence but when a ‘ asylum’ seeker commits a horrendous attack and he came up through the South and France can you not see the concerns?
You quote stats of 6.5% but I can take you to two streets in particular in Portadown that is basically a ghetto of illegal immigrants waiting for their claims etc to be sorted! | | | |
| Belfast on 11:20 - Jun 10 with 799 views | noggin |
| Belfast on 11:08 - Jun 10 by bluejacko |
Thanks for your insight into my thoughts I’ll be sure to ignore them👍
Reform does not even stand here so they will never be in the assembly let alone have any MPs,
The tension over immigration is all over the island of Ireland not just here in the North! This is no excuse for the violence but when a ‘ asylum’ seeker commits a horrendous attack and he came up through the South and France can you not see the concerns?
You quote stats of 6.5% but I can take you to two streets in particular in Portadown that is basically a ghetto of illegal immigrants waiting for their claims etc to be sorted! |
"You quote stats of 6.5% but I can take you to two streets in particular in Portadown that is basically a ghetto of illegal immigrants waiting for their claims etc to be sorted!"
So they're not illegal immigrants then? |  |
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| Belfast on 13:29 - Jun 10 with 622 views | eirannach_gorm |
| Belfast on 09:52 - Jun 10 by lowhouseblue |
it's belfast though - burning buses is just their equivalent of morris dancing. |
This one cost £3 million. Funded by the UK taxpayer as is all the damage repayment. | | | |
| Belfast on 13:42 - Jun 10 with 563 views | StokieBlue |
| Belfast on 08:06 - Jun 10 by bluejacko |
Really! If you think that they have much influence here you are sadly mistaken!
Not condoning the violence at all but this has been coming for a while. By the way most of the protests were peaceful. |
Unbelievably naïve.
Both should be charged with incitement, although given SYL is in Russia saying how nice it is there it might be a while before he's back.
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| Belfast on 14:44 - Jun 10 with 436 views | Zx1988 |
| Belfast on 08:06 - Jun 10 by bluejacko |
Really! If you think that they have much influence here you are sadly mistaken!
Not condoning the violence at all but this has been coming for a while. By the way most of the protests were peaceful. |
I think you're being incredibly naive (or wilfully ignorant) over the degree of influence these scumbags have.
We have Führage abusing parliamentary privilege to call for "pure cold rage".
Then yesterday we had Tommy Ten Names tweeting for his followers to "Give us all a voice tonight Northern Ireland. Enough is enough.".
He was then quoted by Elon Musk, who added "Only by protesting REPEATEDLY and LOUDLY will there be any change!!"
They know precisely what they're doing, and how to whip their target audience up into a frenzy. | |
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