| Something doesn't feel right about this for me 22:39 - Jun 10 with 13340 views | ITFC_Essex |
I may get a few pelters for bringing this up, and maybe I am being a touch emotional, but something doesn’t feel right.
Ordinarily I would take the statement at face value, a break, family, and so on, but since Farage-gate I have a bitter taste in my mouth and feel I must ask questions of what is happening behind the scenes here. I don’t say this to bring division, but McKenna’s comments since Farage-gate have felt very distant, his statement upon promotion about the changes he had to almost fight here in terms of personnel (against his will) made this his hardest promotion and you just got a feeling, that there is/was something else.
He didn’t seem like he was staying, even then, even though I wanted to believe otherwise.
The club, in terms of communication doesn’t have a lot of credit left in the bank for me, things like telling us Brandon Williams and Omari having flu, seemed minor at the time, but since the nonsense with Farage, especially the lies afterward and the fake apology from Ashton, I just don’t have a good feeling about the man or trust what the club puts out. Some of the statements made by ex-players, we howled at like Wolfenden, or Broadheads family on socials, about their game time and departures. It just all doesn’t feel as straightforward as it might appear. Even the Sam S stuff going round seemed bizarre, utterly bizarre.
We have one man wielding all the power of a CEO and Chairman, a man that appears to be almost un sackable. You have a situation where clubs like Fulham are showing interest, and McKenna chooses to walk away, allegedly 2-weeks ago after promotion. Really? A manager very much looking upwards in his career, and a club, Ipswich, on paper, that we’re told is much better prepared than last time for the Premier League. After McKenna walking away before a ball is kicked, I am not so sure, in fact, I am very sceptical of the whole thing.
It seems, with the poor pool of managers available for us to attract, and a key element of our success in effect walking away, this wasn’t exactly an ideal time for a change. I also fear than many key players will be for the chopping block soon, and I don’t know if yet have the scope in terms of recruitment, to bed a new manager, new team and adjust to the Premier League in one swoop. I think this could all end very badly for us if we get it wrong, and Ashton will be the villain if it does.
Maybe I am wrong, but Ashton lost my trust and something doesn’t feel right about any of this. Especially given that we were told that McKenna had a big hand in the new facilities and so on. I feel there’s been a falling out, and I think at the centre of that was the nonsense with Nigel Farage.
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| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:22 - Jun 12 with 848 views | portmanking |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:17 - Jun 12 by FrimleyBlue |
It makes no sense when the club could have ' Frozen' his contract, allowed him that time off he wants with family, and then when a club wants him regardless of when that happens, they would have to unfreeze his contract which would then result in the club still getting the original 8 mill release fee
All that's happened if you version is true is town have bent over again for a person like we did with morsy and NOT looking after the clubs interests which does go against ashtons words. |
How have we not protected the club?
If he goes soon, we get full compo. If he goes in Jan window, we get half compo.
If he goes next summer, we get no compo, but we've prevented him from managing any of our potential rivals for a season while we're desperate to establish ourselves.
I really don't see why it's so hard to understand. But it's the last I'm saying on the matter. [Post edited 12 Jun 10:25]
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| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:23 - Jun 12 with 837 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:18 - Jun 12 by BseaBlue |
If he has made the decision that he is refusing to carry on working for us then we are not left with much choice are we? Outside of ripping up his contract (which would be daft) then placing him on gardening leave protects the clause for a period of time and means he can't go to a competitor whilst we are trying to gain some stability in the Prem. |
If he declines to work, then we dont have to pay him. But it would not remove the compensation clause. So no... | |
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| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:23 - Jun 12 with 836 views | TownieRob |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:02 - Jun 12 by portmanking |
Amicable split in the public domain is a great way of putting it. Listen to what Ashton said about it yesterday i.e Kieran choosing to "go in his way". And from what I'm led to believe it's an amicable split behind the scenes too, it's just business and a big company covering themselves. [Post edited 12 Jun 10:03]
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I picked up on MA careful wording and if it's true then I see that both sides get what they want, so no issues.
The fact that people are dismissing this position and you essentially, I find baffling. You have been a steady and consistant poster for years, and have had good informaiton previoiusly.
Keep up the good work. | | | |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:23 - Jun 12 with 833 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:13 - Jun 12 by portmanking |
We stop him from working for a rival club that could send us down instead?! Come on. He had a perfectly good 2 year deal left. We're supposed to rip that up, are we? If anything, the club have been really good to Kieran here. |
Is that it? He's so good that he'll definitely keep a rival club above us (and no other manager will) so much so that we're prepared to waive millions of pounds for this rather vague benefit?!?
Say it's Fulham, for example. If they don't get McKenna they'll get another manager, who believe it or not could be as good if not better than him at keeping them above us.
I can understand not wanting a player to go to a rival who then might score against us, but a manager?!?
You're also suggesting he could go there 6 months down the line, plenty of time to still get them above us. So in what way does paying him until then benefit us?! |  |
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| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:24 - Jun 12 with 825 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:22 - Jun 12 by redrickstuhaart |
How does paying him not to work achieve 7.5 to 8m? |
Also, how much does paying him then limit us to bringing in another manager
are we now having to shop in aldi because we're still paying KM, otherwise we'd be shopping in waitrose |  |
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| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:24 - Jun 12 with 829 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:20 - Jun 12 by portmanking |
That's the absolute worst-case scenario. But the club clearly feels it's better to pay him a year's salary (max) and avoid him working for a team we're looking to leapfrog. That 12 month salary is a pittance compared to another £240m+ for staying up. |
You don't have to pay him to avoid him working for another team, unless they pay the compensation. This is basic contract stuff. | |
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| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:25 - Jun 12 with 817 views | Ryorry |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 09:59 - Jun 12 by itfc_statman |
You have to remember this forum is sort of full with the naivety of "The club would never tell us mistruths about the Farage debacle, it's all on Nigel!!"
What you say checks out and follows logic. It also allows both to leave amicably in the public domain without any parting words - Ashton would like to avoid that pressure from fans etc. |
This forum is also full of crap conspiracy theories. |  |
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| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:26 - Jun 12 with 805 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:22 - Jun 12 by portmanking |
How have we not protected the club?
If he goes soon, we get full compo. If he goes in Jan window, we get half compo.
If he goes next summer, we get no compo, but we've prevented him from managing any of our potential rivals for a season while we're desperate to establish ourselves.
I really don't see why it's so hard to understand. But it's the last I'm saying on the matter. [Post edited 12 Jun 10:25]
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Depends on when he takes that next job doesn't it
If it's soon and we get full compo, we're protected
if he doesn't and we don't then we aren't and we've wasted a ton of money paying him for sitting at home in the process | |
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| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:27 - Jun 12 with 799 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:18 - Jun 12 by BseaBlue |
If he has made the decision that he is refusing to carry on working for us then we are not left with much choice are we? Outside of ripping up his contract (which would be daft) then placing him on gardening leave protects the clause for a period of time and means he can't go to a competitor whilst we are trying to gain some stability in the Prem. |
Of course we have more choice than that! He leaves, we don't pay him. Like any other job. And also the clause means if he goes to another club within a year, we get our compensation. Otherwise these clauses wouldn't exist, because managers would just quit and rock up at a new job rather than the new employers paying to release them. | |
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| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:28 - Jun 12 with 797 views | BseaBlue |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:23 - Jun 12 by redrickstuhaart |
If he declines to work, then we dont have to pay him. But it would not remove the compensation clause. So no... |
I'm pretty sure we wouldn't be able to enforce the clause if we aren't paying him. |  | | |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:31 - Jun 12 with 777 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:20 - Jun 12 by portmanking |
That's the absolute worst-case scenario. But the club clearly feels it's better to pay him a year's salary (max) and avoid him working for a team we're looking to leapfrog. That 12 month salary is a pittance compared to another £240m+ for staying up. |
But McKenna working for the other club or not is not the deciding factor on us staying up and collecting £240m or not!
And also... they'll get another manager. Or is every other manager in the world incapable of keeping this other club above us? | |
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| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:33 - Jun 12 with 753 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:28 - Jun 12 by BseaBlue |
I'm pretty sure we wouldn't be able to enforce the clause if we aren't paying him. |
You are wrong, unless we were the ones who broke the contract by ceasing payment for no reason. | |
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| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:34 - Jun 12 with 738 views | BseaBlue |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:33 - Jun 12 by redrickstuhaart |
You are wrong, unless we were the ones who broke the contract by ceasing payment for no reason. |
You tell me what you think the situation is then. | | | |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:39 - Jun 12 with 707 views | soupytwist |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:18 - Jun 12 by BseaBlue |
If he has made the decision that he is refusing to carry on working for us then we are not left with much choice are we? Outside of ripping up his contract (which would be daft) then placing him on gardening leave protects the clause for a period of time and means he can't go to a competitor whilst we are trying to gain some stability in the Prem. |
How much do we need to protect ourselves from him working for a competitor? Competitors to us in the Premier League are:
Hull
Coventry
Fulham, maybe
Palace, maybe (new manager uncertainty)
Bournemouth, maybe (new manager uncertainty)
Forest
Leeds
Sunderland (demands of Europe next season)
Of those, the only one that needs a manager right now is Fulham. The others might in the coming months. We were within our rights to hold out for the compensation due from them. If they weren't prepared to pay it, fine. If that meant McK doesn't want to work at ITFC anymore, that's fine too. We come to an arrangement to pay him some money (not his regular earnings), if we want to stop him going somewhere else for a period of time without us getting any cash. To be honest, I'd have been tempted to let him go, stop paying him and if he turns up at one of our "competitors" (of which realistically there aren't that many) then so be it. We'll have the unpaid two years of McK's salary still in our back pocket.
I suppose this assumes that, for example, the mad Forest owner doesn't think - McKenna's available I will sack Vitor Pereira and get McKenna in. And that McK thinks - that Forest owner seems like someone I can work with I'm off there. |  | | |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:41 - Jun 12 with 700 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:28 - Jun 12 by BseaBlue |
I'm pretty sure we wouldn't be able to enforce the clause if we aren't paying him. |
Don't be daft, there would be no clauses if that were the case. People would just resign and immediately take the new job and save their new club £8m. Why on earth would anyone pay compensation if you could just do that? | |
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| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:44 - Jun 12 with 685 views | BseaBlue |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:39 - Jun 12 by soupytwist |
How much do we need to protect ourselves from him working for a competitor? Competitors to us in the Premier League are:
Hull
Coventry
Fulham, maybe
Palace, maybe (new manager uncertainty)
Bournemouth, maybe (new manager uncertainty)
Forest
Leeds
Sunderland (demands of Europe next season)
Of those, the only one that needs a manager right now is Fulham. The others might in the coming months. We were within our rights to hold out for the compensation due from them. If they weren't prepared to pay it, fine. If that meant McK doesn't want to work at ITFC anymore, that's fine too. We come to an arrangement to pay him some money (not his regular earnings), if we want to stop him going somewhere else for a period of time without us getting any cash. To be honest, I'd have been tempted to let him go, stop paying him and if he turns up at one of our "competitors" (of which realistically there aren't that many) then so be it. We'll have the unpaid two years of McK's salary still in our back pocket.
I suppose this assumes that, for example, the mad Forest owner doesn't think - McKenna's available I will sack Vitor Pereira and get McKenna in. And that McK thinks - that Forest owner seems like someone I can work with I'm off there. |
we don't know the exact details of the clause though and how much of that compensation is in relation to the wages he is paid.
If the club just gives in and lets him go, we lose face so I can see why Ashton doesn't want us to do that. I suggested in a previous comment that once we have appointed someone, I'd let him go at a reduced price because as you say, we are competing with a number of clubs!
It depends on what you want to beleive but Portmanking has proven to have been correct on a lot of info (even the day Mckenna was announced as leaving....Look at what he posted earlier that day...) so I have no reason to doubt it. | | | |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:45 - Jun 12 with 673 views | BseaBlue |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:41 - Jun 12 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Don't be daft, there would be no clauses if that were the case. People would just resign and immediately take the new job and save their new club £8m. Why on earth would anyone pay compensation if you could just do that? |
Explained below but I'd imagine compensation is in relation to wages paid. It also isn't unheard of that footballers have made it difficult for clubs in the past to force their moves through.
I'm not saying that KM would have done the same but if his head was turned then it seems like an amicable solution for both parties. | | | |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:45 - Jun 12 with 668 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:34 - Jun 12 by BseaBlue |
You tell me what you think the situation is then. |
Man quits job to spend time with family, man doesn't get paid.
If man rocks up at new job within an alloted period of time, original employers get compensation.
Not sure why it's so difficult. | |
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| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:56 - Jun 12 with 623 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:20 - Jun 12 by portmanking |
That's the absolute worst-case scenario. But the club clearly feels it's better to pay him a year's salary (max) and avoid him working for a team we're looking to leapfrog. That 12 month salary is a pittance compared to another £240m+ for staying up. |
All of this sounds like projection by you, rather than based on facts.
If (as you suggest) he's on gardening leave, then his contract is still in effect, and he cannot go anywhere until we agree to terminate the contract (regardless of any compensation that might be due). If we play hardball, then he's fully locked into going nowhere until we agree to the termination of employment.
With gardening leave (if it were in place), then that termination of his employment contract is already agreed, and the timeframe set. He will not be able to break the terms of that gardening leave agreement without (potentially serious) financial penalty.
If there is a gardening leave agreement in place, unless you have access (indirectly or directly) to the terms of that agreement, then you cannot have any idea of when or what he might do next. Only a handful of people would know of the existence of a gardening leave agreement, let alone the content, and they almost always have confidentiality clauses in them, so ANYONE sharing details would risk sanction if discovered (most likely considered a sacking offence for anyone working at Town, or termination of any financial benefits of the agreement it if came from Kieran's team).
Your 'version' of what is likely to playout just doesn't pass the sniff test. | | | |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 11:35 - Jun 12 with 531 views | soupytwist |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:44 - Jun 12 by BseaBlue |
we don't know the exact details of the clause though and how much of that compensation is in relation to the wages he is paid.
If the club just gives in and lets him go, we lose face so I can see why Ashton doesn't want us to do that. I suggested in a previous comment that once we have appointed someone, I'd let him go at a reduced price because as you say, we are competing with a number of clubs!
It depends on what you want to beleive but Portmanking has proven to have been correct on a lot of info (even the day Mckenna was announced as leaving....Look at what he posted earlier that day...) so I have no reason to doubt it. |
I'm not challenging Portmanking's version of events, merely saying that there was an alternative that wasn't so terrible.
But then, I don't work in the upper echelons of elite football and losing face isn't really a concern to me if the outcome is acceptable. There are people (OK, one person) at the top of ITFC for whom losing face is probably to be avoided at all costs. | | | |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 11:51 - Jun 12 with 471 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:34 - Jun 12 by BseaBlue |
You tell me what you think the situation is then. |
It could be exactly as it has been presented...
But I am not going to make stuff up if I don't know. | |
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| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 11:56 - Jun 12 with 453 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:56 - Jun 12 by SuffolkPunchFC |
All of this sounds like projection by you, rather than based on facts.
If (as you suggest) he's on gardening leave, then his contract is still in effect, and he cannot go anywhere until we agree to terminate the contract (regardless of any compensation that might be due). If we play hardball, then he's fully locked into going nowhere until we agree to the termination of employment.
With gardening leave (if it were in place), then that termination of his employment contract is already agreed, and the timeframe set. He will not be able to break the terms of that gardening leave agreement without (potentially serious) financial penalty.
If there is a gardening leave agreement in place, unless you have access (indirectly or directly) to the terms of that agreement, then you cannot have any idea of when or what he might do next. Only a handful of people would know of the existence of a gardening leave agreement, let alone the content, and they almost always have confidentiality clauses in them, so ANYONE sharing details would risk sanction if discovered (most likely considered a sacking offence for anyone working at Town, or termination of any financial benefits of the agreement it if came from Kieran's team).
Your 'version' of what is likely to playout just doesn't pass the sniff test. |
There is absolutely no logic to a gardening leave arrangement. Gardening leave happens when a company wants to shift someone out, and make sure they are not in the building potentially causing difficulties whilst they work their notice. So they put them on leave and keep paying them, as they are contractually bound to do. You do not get put on gardening leave when you decide to leave, unless the company is doing it out of spite to make you work your notice but still doesnt want you around the place.
If KM wanted to go somewhere else and decided he wouldnt continue, then he has no leverage to get paid for 12 months. He would be the one breaching the contract and arguably would owe compensation for any connected losses. | |
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| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 12:05 - Jun 12 with 410 views | vapour_trail |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:22 - Jun 12 by portmanking |
How have we not protected the club?
If he goes soon, we get full compo. If he goes in Jan window, we get half compo.
If he goes next summer, we get no compo, but we've prevented him from managing any of our potential rivals for a season while we're desperate to establish ourselves.
I really don't see why it's so hard to understand. But it's the last I'm saying on the matter. [Post edited 12 Jun 10:25]
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Whether you’re correct or not I don’t know, but what you’re saying makes good sense to me. |  |
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| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 12:16 - Jun 12 with 366 views | MaySixth |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 22:52 - Jun 10 by tonybied |
I dunno, something seems fishy to me too. How often do managers just walk away from their posts? Especially ones that constantly tell their players to soak everything in, and enjoy it all, as they are in such a privileged position.
Something definitely stinks here. |
It's not fishy, it's just different. |  |
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| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 12:52 - Jun 12 with 294 views | braveblue |
Nonsense. Get over the lunch. Did you listen to the statements they made? | | | |
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