| ‘Two Year Kier’ 05:25 - Jun 23 with 12124 views | Benters |
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| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 09:18 - Jun 23 with 950 views | redrickstuhaart |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 09:16 - Jun 23 by WeWereZombies |
'And look at what we’ve achieved in just two years: an economy that is stronger, growing faster than our peers; wages rising faster than inflation in every single month since we came to power; investment secured; infrastructure being built; an end to austerity; with the fastest fall in NHS waiting lists for 17 years; the biggest improvement in rights for workers and renters in a generation; the biggest uplift in defence spending since the Cold War; small boat crossings falling; asylum hotels closing; protecting young people from social media; and half a million children being lifted out of poverty because of the choices that I made.
Our reputation in the world restored, with Britain once again standing up for decency, respect, and the rule of law. Securing trade deals, standing with Ukraine, standing up for our values, and rebuilding our relationship with our allies in Europe.'
From Keir's email to me yesterday, I think one or two people may have gotten teh same... |
All of which are broadly true arent they? Which is what is so troubling. The perception and the facts are so far apart. That is the media / social media environment we are now in, and we are in serious trouble as a result. |  |
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| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 09:20 - Jun 23 with 940 views | redrickstuhaart |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 09:17 - Jun 23 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Leaving aside the specific example of Starmer, surely you can see that progressive politicians who make claim to high principles are much more likely to a) be accused of hypocrisy and b) disappoint people than those who simply appeal to naked self interest, or sectional interest?
Which is the gist of that article.
There was a subversion campaign against Corbyn from the Labour Centrists.
There was a purge of Corbynistas once Starmer became leader.
Whether you believe that was a hypocritical, nakedly self-serving power grab by a man who claimed the "decent and principled" mantle, or believe it was a necessary act for the good of the party and the nation, comes down to interpretation. |
Indeed. What it wasnt, though, was surreptitious and deceitful. | |
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| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 09:48 - Jun 23 with 876 views | balcombeblue |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 09:12 - Jun 23 by DJR |
It was dishonest for Starmer to say recently that removing the benefits cap was his finest achievement when the whip was withdrawn from several MPs who voted for it during the King's Speech. |
£32k of work clothing
2.5k of spectacles
Clothing for his wife
The use of a central London apartment when we were locked down.
He had to recategorise a number of items as gifts rather than for his office.
I think you're reading of the postponed elections is a little positive, given the screeching u-turn.
Madelson, twice (was it) sacked from government was fast tracked at Starmer's insistence. A real man of integrity.
Oh dear indeed. [Post edited 23 Jun 9:49]
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| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 09:59 - Jun 23 with 848 views | jasondozzell |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 09:16 - Jun 23 by WeWereZombies |
'And look at what we’ve achieved in just two years: an economy that is stronger, growing faster than our peers; wages rising faster than inflation in every single month since we came to power; investment secured; infrastructure being built; an end to austerity; with the fastest fall in NHS waiting lists for 17 years; the biggest improvement in rights for workers and renters in a generation; the biggest uplift in defence spending since the Cold War; small boat crossings falling; asylum hotels closing; protecting young people from social media; and half a million children being lifted out of poverty because of the choices that I made.
Our reputation in the world restored, with Britain once again standing up for decency, respect, and the rule of law. Securing trade deals, standing with Ukraine, standing up for our values, and rebuilding our relationship with our allies in Europe.'
From Keir's email to me yesterday, I think one or two people may have gotten teh same... |
Please for the love of god read into the topics rather than just accepting what is served up!
On the half a million children being lifted out of poverty alone re lifting the two child cap - he removed the whip from his MPs for backing it!!!!
And another top tip for centrists dads obsessed with Brexit. It's Starmer that handed you the hardest Brexit possible because of his actions as shadow Brexit secretary. [Post edited 23 Jun 10:03]
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| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 10:02 - Jun 23 with 820 views | lowhouseblue |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 07:54 - Jun 23 by jasondozzell |
He was the very opposite of a decent honest chap. Johnson has more integrity frankly.
Stop swallowing the lazy media line and read up on what actually happened!
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there you go, just to cheer you up
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/s |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 10:05 - Jun 23 with 821 views | giant_stow |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 09:59 - Jun 23 by jasondozzell |
Please for the love of god read into the topics rather than just accepting what is served up!
On the half a million children being lifted out of poverty alone re lifting the two child cap - he removed the whip from his MPs for backing it!!!!
And another top tip for centrists dads obsessed with Brexit. It's Starmer that handed you the hardest Brexit possible because of his actions as shadow Brexit secretary. [Post edited 23 Jun 10:03]
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"It's Starmer that handed you the hardest Brexit possible because of his actions as shadow Brexit secretary."
I've seen this one knocking about a bit lately, but don't understand the thinking tbh - could you explain please? |  |
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| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 10:07 - Jun 23 with 782 views | lowhouseblue |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 10:05 - Jun 23 by giant_stow |
"It's Starmer that handed you the hardest Brexit possible because of his actions as shadow Brexit secretary."
I've seen this one knocking about a bit lately, but don't understand the thinking tbh - could you explain please? |
the opposition could have voted with may to get something better i guess. the hope of reversing the whole thing meant the opposition missed the opportunity to compromise. but i can't say i've memorised all the details. | |
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| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 10:10 - Jun 23 with 784 views | Benters |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 08:51 - Jun 23 by DJR |
Anyone come up with "Two Tears Keir" yet following the wobble at the end of his speech yesterday?  |
They were false tears,like they use on pop idol. | |
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| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 10:11 - Jun 23 with 764 views | GlasgowBlue |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 10:05 - Jun 23 by giant_stow |
"It's Starmer that handed you the hardest Brexit possible because of his actions as shadow Brexit secretary."
I've seen this one knocking about a bit lately, but don't understand the thinking tbh - could you explain please? |
My understanding is that Starmer was lobbying for a second referendum and convinced Corbyn to whip Labour MPs to vote against the May deal which would have kept us in the customs union.
Losing that vote cost her the Premiership and heralded Boris Johnson. |  |
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| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 10:12 - Jun 23 with 757 views | Benters |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 09:48 - Jun 23 by balcombeblue |
£32k of work clothing
2.5k of spectacles
Clothing for his wife
The use of a central London apartment when we were locked down.
He had to recategorise a number of items as gifts rather than for his office.
I think you're reading of the postponed elections is a little positive, given the screeching u-turn.
Madelson, twice (was it) sacked from government was fast tracked at Starmer's insistence. A real man of integrity.
Oh dear indeed. [Post edited 23 Jun 9:49]
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| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 10:17 - Jun 23 with 722 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 09:18 - Jun 23 by redrickstuhaart |
All of which are broadly true arent they? Which is what is so troubling. The perception and the facts are so far apart. That is the media / social media environment we are now in, and we are in serious trouble as a result. |
Also true to say the IMF has revised its projections for the UK to have the lowest per capita growth in the G7 this year, and deteriorating youth unemployment seeing the UK have the 3rd highest rate of NEETS in Europe.
Goes back to my earlier point about disingenuous government reporting. | | | |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 10:20 - Jun 23 with 709 views | WeWereZombies |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 09:59 - Jun 23 by jasondozzell |
Please for the love of god read into the topics rather than just accepting what is served up!
On the half a million children being lifted out of poverty alone re lifting the two child cap - he removed the whip from his MPs for backing it!!!!
And another top tip for centrists dads obsessed with Brexit. It's Starmer that handed you the hardest Brexit possible because of his actions as shadow Brexit secretary. [Post edited 23 Jun 10:03]
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It was a tongue in cheek post for the most part, but there is a point to be made for people who appear to believe all that the media they subscribe to serves up for them and the compensating benefit of belonging to a party with all the trials and tribulations that brings.
(Left of Centrist Dad to grown up kids and have wanted Burnham as Prime Minister for the last year.) |  |
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| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 10:40 - Jun 23 with 650 views | giant_stow |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 10:11 - Jun 23 by GlasgowBlue |
My understanding is that Starmer was lobbying for a second referendum and convinced Corbyn to whip Labour MPs to vote against the May deal which would have kept us in the customs union.
Losing that vote cost her the Premiership and heralded Boris Johnson. |
Thanks for the explanations chaps. Not something I would hold with personally - I was right behind the all of nothing approach from memory, but hey ho. | |
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| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 10:45 - Jun 23 with 633 views | balcombeblue |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 09:59 - Jun 23 by jasondozzell |
Please for the love of god read into the topics rather than just accepting what is served up!
On the half a million children being lifted out of poverty alone re lifting the two child cap - he removed the whip from his MPs for backing it!!!!
And another top tip for centrists dads obsessed with Brexit. It's Starmer that handed you the hardest Brexit possible because of his actions as shadow Brexit secretary. [Post edited 23 Jun 10:03]
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Sorry - one more from me.
The claim that Labour have 'turned the economy around' is utterly lamentable.
Record high tax burden
Growth downgraded
Unemployment rising, including a youth unemployment crisis.
Real wages falling
Welfare bill through the roof (over 25% rise expected in this parliament)
No houses being built. | | | |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 10:47 - Jun 23 with 631 views | redrickstuhaart |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 10:10 - Jun 23 by Benters |
They were false tears,like they use on pop idol. |
How do you know this?
Whatever you think of him (and you struggle, always, to actually say what he did wrong), it seems highly unlikely. What a massive day for anyone yesterday would have been. | |
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| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 10:51 - Jun 23 with 612 views | itfc_statman |
I don't normally agree with the "sensitive and weak left" thats often mentioned.
But this thread does make it look that way. A three word thread title and Benters is getting pelters from 'em. | | | |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 10:54 - Jun 23 with 599 views | redrickstuhaart |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 10:45 - Jun 23 by balcombeblue |
Sorry - one more from me.
The claim that Labour have 'turned the economy around' is utterly lamentable.
Record high tax burden
Growth downgraded
Unemployment rising, including a youth unemployment crisis.
Real wages falling
Welfare bill through the roof (over 25% rise expected in this parliament)
No houses being built. |
The record tax burden was achieved under the last government.
Growth is as good as its been for years (not great) bar one spike. And was plummeting like a lead shot prior to this government who have arrested that fall and turned it in the other direction.
Yes- there is a youth unemployment crisis. They are looking to address it. Its no huge surpriuse given the cuts to health and mental health services and the impact of covid on young peoples mental health.
Real terms wages have increased. They fell under the previous regime.
Welfare bill very similar to what it has been for years. One of the largest chunks is the previous governments triple lock and the reality of demographics and an ageing society. Perhaps we need some immigration to support that...
Houses are being built- though there is only a modest increase from previously so far. [Post edited 23 Jun 10:59]
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| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 11:07 - Jun 23 with 572 views | GlasgowBlue |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 10:40 - Jun 23 by giant_stow |
Thanks for the explanations chaps. Not something I would hold with personally - I was right behind the all of nothing approach from memory, but hey ho. |
A number of Labour MPs, including Stephen Kinnock said they they regret not voting for May’s deal at the time | |
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| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 11:13 - Jun 23 with 556 views | hype313 |
Your mate is toast.
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| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 11:15 - Jun 23 with 549 views | giant_stow |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 11:07 - Jun 23 by GlasgowBlue |
A number of Labour MPs, including Stephen Kinnock said they they regret not voting for May’s deal at the time |
My memory is crap at the best of times, but was this the deal where we'd keep a few bits of access, but give up all control over making the rules? If so, I'd rather be completely out and have some control, or in with some control.
(of course, I could be misremembering and howling at the moon!) | |
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| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 11:18 - Jun 23 with 544 views | redrickstuhaart |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 11:13 - Jun 23 by hype313 |
Your mate is toast.
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Extraordinary stuff.
Of course its our business when a politican takes £5m from a clearly politically interested party and fails to declare it or answer any questions about it. And then gives three different explanations. | |
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| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 11:25 - Jun 23 with 518 views | positivity |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 11:18 - Jun 23 by redrickstuhaart |
Extraordinary stuff.
Of course its our business when a politican takes £5m from a clearly politically interested party and fails to declare it or answer any questions about it. And then gives three different explanations. |
it's the same as when the jewish and black kids from his pubic school revealed his antisemitic and racist bullying.
flip-flopped from denial and blaming the victims, to pretending that this was ok at the time, then trying to shut down any discussion.
such a weak man, falls apart at the slightest hint of scrutiny; can't think of anyone less suited to be leader of a country (well maybe equal to the usa's orange incumbent) [Post edited 23 Jun 11:26]
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| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 11:26 - Jun 23 with 511 views | hype313 |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 11:18 - Jun 23 by redrickstuhaart |
Extraordinary stuff.
Of course its our business when a politican takes £5m from a clearly politically interested party and fails to declare it or answer any questions about it. And then gives three different explanations. |
'I can spend it on cars'
Wow, he's always been out for himself, man of the people, laughable. | |
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| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 11:49 - Jun 23 with 463 views | Benters |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 10:47 - Jun 23 by redrickstuhaart |
How do you know this?
Whatever you think of him (and you struggle, always, to actually say what he did wrong), it seems highly unlikely. What a massive day for anyone yesterday would have been. |
He was and probably still is full of S.
I can’t see this new geezer being any different either. | |
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| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 11:51 - Jun 23 with 456 views | Benters |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 11:26 - Jun 23 by hype313 |
'I can spend it on cars'
Wow, he's always been out for himself, man of the people, laughable. |
I saw the interview on breakfast telly this morning.
Nigel said the money was a gift.
Balls was trying to catch him out and failing.
Vote Reform 👍🇬🇧 [Post edited 23 Jun 11:53]
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