| "Mark Ashton's desire to work with British managers" 11:23 - Jun 25 with 2738 views | andyblue231 |
This is another thread questioning him so if you'd rather not read then feel free to scoot on by.
The above was referenced on the KOA podcast.
Is this his MO for all time or just this appointment? He has only appointed British managers in his career. Though OGS did get down to the final two, it does seem like a very strong preference given his appointment history.
Is this a good idea? To shut yourself off from maybe 90% of the talent pool. Would any company do this? It would be ludicrous if applied to players. Doesn't it put an obvious cap on your potential?
What possible reason could there be to not think a foreign manager can do the job?
To look around football right now and thing "yup, British managers, that''s where the value and talent is".
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| "Mark Ashton's desire to work with British managers" on 11:27 - Jun 25 with 2272 views | lurcher |
OGS made the final 2 |  | | |
| "Mark Ashton's desire to work with British managers" on 11:29 - Jun 25 with 2245 views | belgablue |
Maybe he just chose the best candidate for the job, regardless of their nationality. |  |
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| "Mark Ashton's desire to work with British managers" on 11:29 - Jun 25 with 2240 views | andyblue231 |
| "Mark Ashton's desire to work with British managers" on 11:27 - Jun 25 by lurcher |
OGS made the final 2 |
and then wasn't picked.
I'm just wondering why he would have that preference. where does the come from? what would make him think British managers were the better bet, generally. | | | |
| "Mark Ashton's desire to work with British managers" on 11:30 - Jun 25 with 2240 views | hype313 |
'What possible reason could there be to not think a foreign manager can do the job?'
There isn't, but can you point to a foreign manager who has similar experience in our position as GON? |  |
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| "Mark Ashton's desire to work with British managers" on 11:31 - Jun 25 with 2210 views | andyblue231 |
| "Mark Ashton's desire to work with British managers" on 11:29 - Jun 25 by belgablue |
Maybe he just chose the best candidate for the job, regardless of their nationality. |
that's what I would hope, but that's the exactly the opposite of what "has a desire to work with British managers means". that means not necessarily picking the best manager for the job. but rather the choice being affected by nationality. [Post edited 25 Jun 11:33]
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| "Mark Ashton's desire to work with British managers" on 11:32 - Jun 25 with 2172 views | andyblue231 |
| "Mark Ashton's desire to work with British managers" on 11:30 - Jun 25 by hype313 |
'What possible reason could there be to not think a foreign manager can do the job?'
There isn't, but can you point to a foreign manager who has similar experience in our position as GON? |
no obviously because they're foreign.
im just asking why he would have a preference to always work with British managers | | | |
| "Mark Ashton's desire to work with British managers" on 11:45 - Jun 25 with 2095 views | Guthrum |
Think there is the possibility, in the present environment, that he might be looking for more value from his hiring - a hidden gem, if you like.
Presently, everyone is looking at foreign managers, particularly in the Prem, but increasingly so in the Champ. Are decent UK candidates being sidelined as a result? Are those from overseas being overrated (and possibly commanding higher salaries)? Ashton's had a fair success rate over the years in picking from the British Isles.
That might explain a preference. However, I'm not sure that is the whole story in this case. O'Neil has, after all, managed abroad. Plus, in a straight choice between him and OGS, the former's experience is more relevant to ITFC's current circumstances. |  |
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| "Mark Ashton's desire to work with British managers" on 11:56 - Jun 25 with 2007 views | Guthrum |
| "Mark Ashton's desire to work with British managers" on 11:31 - Jun 25 by andyblue231 |
that's what I would hope, but that's the exactly the opposite of what "has a desire to work with British managers means". that means not necessarily picking the best manager for the job. but rather the choice being affected by nationality. [Post edited 25 Jun 11:33]
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Is that a quote from Ashton, or about him?
Might seem like a fine distinction, but it represents the difference between a deliberate, conscious policy and something less certain, an assumption based upon previous record. | |
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| "Mark Ashton's desire to work with British managers" on 12:17 - Jun 25 with 1888 views | Illinoisblue |
How many managers has he appointed in his career? |  |
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| "Mark Ashton's desire to work with British managers" on 12:39 - Jun 25 with 1766 views | bsw72 |
I've covered this before:
"Historically domestic managers have a better record of keeping mid to low level clubs in the PL, but as the Premier League becomes increasingly globalised in its coaching philosophy, that advantage is narrowing, with foreign managers like Iraola and Le Bris demonstrating that continental approaches can translate effectively to the survival fight, but not sure whether now is the right time for Town to gamble on that." |  | | |
| "Mark Ashton's desire to work with British managers" on 12:40 - Jun 25 with 1746 views | J2BLUE |
Desperate. |  | | |
| "Mark Ashton's desire to work with British managers" on 12:43 - Jun 25 with 1694 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| "Mark Ashton's desire to work with British managers" on 11:29 - Jun 25 by andyblue231 |
and then wasn't picked.
I'm just wondering why he would have that preference. where does the come from? what would make him think British managers were the better bet, generally. |
Do you think his record with a bottom quarter Premier League team in Cardiff compared to O'Neil's in Bournemouth and Wolves might have had something to do with that? |  |
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| "Mark Ashton's desire to work with British managers" on 12:46 - Jun 25 with 1672 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| "Mark Ashton's desire to work with British managers" on 12:40 - Jun 25 by J2BLUE |
Desperate. |
Quick! Find another stick to beat him with!
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| "Mark Ashton's desire to work with British managers" on 12:48 - Jun 25 with 1669 views | lurcher |
| "Mark Ashton's desire to work with British managers" on 11:29 - Jun 25 by andyblue231 |
and then wasn't picked.
I'm just wondering why he would have that preference. where does the come from? what would make him think British managers were the better bet, generally. |
OGS losing out at the final round doesn't mean Ashton has a UK only preference. GON does have a better profile for a club in our situation. | | | |
| "Mark Ashton's desire to work with British managers" on 12:55 - Jun 25 with 1613 views | Swansea_Blue |
We went big on British players too. It may reflect a lack of familiarity and networks overseas, which he himself made a big thing of a couple of years ago and said needed to be rectified. It seems a reasonable observation to me. In the same way ME wanted managers who’d achieve promotion from the Championship, it does restrict the pool if you’ve less contacts/knowledge of overseas markets (that doesn’t mean you can be successful of course). |  |
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| "Mark Ashton's desire to work with British managers" on 12:59 - Jun 25 with 1580 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
He has said before he takes pride in giving British mangers jobs, probably due to how few there are at the top level so its a bit of flex to be the one to give them a break (or another chance in this instance)
Wouldn't be how I work but I'm not a football CEO. if you establish and ever need to change manger to hit a new ceiling then you probably need to look abroad. |  |
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| "Mark Ashton's desire to work with British managers" on 13:00 - Jun 25 with 1577 views | WolfieAtTheBack |
| "Mark Ashton's desire to work with British managers" on 12:55 - Jun 25 by Swansea_Blue |
We went big on British players too. It may reflect a lack of familiarity and networks overseas, which he himself made a big thing of a couple of years ago and said needed to be rectified. It seems a reasonable observation to me. In the same way ME wanted managers who’d achieve promotion from the Championship, it does restrict the pool if you’ve less contacts/knowledge of overseas markets (that doesn’t mean you can be successful of course). |
It has been said elsewhere but not convinced has the reach / networks as a premier league operator. Did KM carry him on some fronts, time will tell.
Clearly he does have clout in the championship which seems to be more his regime. |  | | |
| "Mark Ashton's desire to work with British managers" on 13:10 - Jun 25 with 1518 views | FlowerofScotland |
I think he's said in the past that there is no room in British football for interpreters on a training field. He's 100% about control too and doesn't like ambiguity. | | | |
| "Mark Ashton's desire to work with British managers" on 13:25 - Jun 25 with 1456 views | itfc_statman |
I think we can debate all of this but ultimately it will be proven to be a terrible decision before we open christmas presents | | | |
| "Mark Ashton's desire to work with British managers" on 13:28 - Jun 25 with 1439 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
I think you might be overthinking it. If you want to keep your job you hire the best manager you can get and I doubt he gives a monkeys where they were born. Not having hired a foreign manager yet doesn't necessarily mean he doesn't think a foreign manager can do the job.
I think a lot of supporters think a foreign name is sexy and different, but it doesn't always work out. Maybe O'Neil is what we need right now. |  |
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| "Mark Ashton's desire to work with British managers" on 13:37 - Jun 25 with 1366 views | Illinoisblue |
| "Mark Ashton's desire to work with British managers" on 13:10 - Jun 25 by FlowerofScotland |
I think he's said in the past that there is no room in British football for interpreters on a training field. He's 100% about control too and doesn't like ambiguity. |
Do you have a link to that quote? | |
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| "Mark Ashton's desire to work with British managers" on 13:39 - Jun 25 with 1354 views | hype313 |
| "Mark Ashton's desire to work with British managers" on 11:32 - Jun 25 by andyblue231 |
no obviously because they're foreign.
im just asking why he would have a preference to always work with British managers |
I'm sorry, you've lost me. | |
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| "Mark Ashton's desire to work with British managers" on 15:36 - Jun 25 with 1101 views | bsw72 |
| "Mark Ashton's desire to work with British managers" on 13:28 - Jun 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I think you might be overthinking it. If you want to keep your job you hire the best manager you can get and I doubt he gives a monkeys where they were born. Not having hired a foreign manager yet doesn't necessarily mean he doesn't think a foreign manager can do the job.
I think a lot of supporters think a foreign name is sexy and different, but it doesn't always work out. Maybe O'Neil is what we need right now. |
Man Utd don't exactly have a stellar record going with international managers . . . | | | |
| "Mark Ashton's desire to work with British managers" on 15:45 - Jun 25 with 1059 views | runaround |
The pedant in me is screaming that McKenna is Northern Irish so not British |  | | |
| "Mark Ashton's desire to work with British managers" on 17:21 - Jun 25 with 864 views | darkhorse28 |
At this level, it is limiting, he’s very good EFL administrator, and he could be the best in existence and it wouldn’t be the same as being even an average operator at this level.
And he’s the only football voice in the room, he’s worked hard to achieve that, total control.
Does it limit potential (at this level)
Probably. Almost certainly. Massively so.
Nodding dogs will nod, and can’t argue in some ways at this level (income) he’s earned the right.
It won’t end well though, how could it, if you aren’t good enough it only takes time. | | | |
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