| Initial analysis of the current heatwave 08:06 - Jun 26 with 17554 views | StokieBlue |
Scientists have said that the current heatwave stretching across Europe would have been impossible in June without climate change and is also hitting hard as the weather is more humid than normal.
"As recently as 2003, a heatwave like the current one in Europe would have been 2C cooler due to the lower level of global heating at the time. In 1976, another famous heatwave year, it would have been 3.5C cooler."
"The sweltering night-time temperatures currently harming people’s sleep are about 100 times more likely today than in 2003."
https://www.theguardian.com/en
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| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 03:37 - Jun 27 with 1574 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 03:16 - Jun 27 by ArnoldMoorhen |
But a lot of UK upland farms which currently hold sheep are unsuitable for arable production.
It's not as simple as saying "Switch all land currently given over to livestock to arable production" because grass will grow in places wheat can't, and sheep can go places that combine harvesters can't. |
I think the point is that huge amounts of productive arable land is used to grow crops to feed to animals. If arable land currently used for growing food for livestock was repurposed to growing food for humans, we would need much less agricultural land overall to feed the world (one source suggests we could reduce it by as much as 75%).
A memorable stat I uncovered during my university research was that 70% of all cereals imported to Cyprus were to feed animals, not humans. |  | | |
| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 05:59 - Jun 27 with 1517 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 21:56 - Jun 26 by eireblue |
I have had plenty of civil conversations with people over this topic.
The science is clear.
Plant based diets do less damage to the environment and climate.
Anyone can post stats on how bad things are going, or how ridiculous Reform are for scrapping Net Zero and wanting to burn more fuel.
You could be vegan tomorrow. |
Yep, but no-one has a problem with that. It's the condescending way Glassers made his post at posters who create less CO₂ than he does. |  |
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| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 06:23 - Jun 27 with 1476 views | Benters |
| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 23:11 - Jun 26 by Axeldalai_lama |
You responded that every little helps to a statement about water butts and the climate crisis. So you believe we need to help with the climate crisis? You believe there is s climate crisis? |
I believe there is a climate crisis,but while countries like China keep on going with their mega power stations and manufacturing powers.
I don’t believe whatever this country does regarding the climate crisis is going to make the slightest difference.
Look on here how many posters fly on aircraft to go on holiday,my Niece is always campaigning with stuff like this,but tell her she shouldn’t go on holiday at least five times a year and flying,she wouldn’t stop flying. |  |
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| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 07:21 - Jun 27 with 1432 views | NthQldITFC |
| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 00:16 - Jun 27 by StokieBlue |
I find it incredible that this morning you aggressively posted this at a forum member because they eat meat and thus have higher emissions than they could have and then in the evening you're on a long haul flight.
I find it doubly incredible because the poster you were directing this post at has I believe on many occasions said he doesn't take holidays that involve flying.
Given both those things and assuming you're flight is return then your individual emissions even with your vegetarianism are likely already higher than his.
The double standard is staggering to me.
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Whilst I do of course agree with your main point ten times over, he's right about the meat thing in isolation and I'm happy to own that. I'm rarely troubled at all by personal attacks on the Internet or elsewhere. The important thing is big change, or incremental change if we're not yet getting big change. |  |
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| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 07:35 - Jun 27 with 1425 views | BlueBoots |
| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 06:23 - Jun 27 by Benters |
I believe there is a climate crisis,but while countries like China keep on going with their mega power stations and manufacturing powers.
I don’t believe whatever this country does regarding the climate crisis is going to make the slightest difference.
Look on here how many posters fly on aircraft to go on holiday,my Niece is always campaigning with stuff like this,but tell her she shouldn’t go on holiday at least five times a year and flying,she wouldn’t stop flying. |
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| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 10:07 - Jun 27 with 1350 views | StokieBlue |
| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 07:21 - Jun 27 by NthQldITFC |
Whilst I do of course agree with your main point ten times over, he's right about the meat thing in isolation and I'm happy to own that. I'm rarely troubled at all by personal attacks on the Internet or elsewhere. The important thing is big change, or incremental change if we're not yet getting big change. |
It's not the point itself, he is absolutely right it would reduce ones emissions.
It's the aggressive, condescending, holier-than-thou way in which he posted it and attacked you that is the issue when 12 hours later he's on a long haul flight producing as much emissions in a few hours as a whole years worth of vegetarianism saves.
He's also fully entitled to do that, he just shouldn't be laying into people if he's going to.
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| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 10:19 - Jun 27 with 1331 views | eireblue |
| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 06:23 - Jun 27 by Benters |
I believe there is a climate crisis,but while countries like China keep on going with their mega power stations and manufacturing powers.
I don’t believe whatever this country does regarding the climate crisis is going to make the slightest difference.
Look on here how many posters fly on aircraft to go on holiday,my Niece is always campaigning with stuff like this,but tell her she shouldn’t go on holiday at least five times a year and flying,she wouldn’t stop flying. |
https://www.reuters.com/market
I’ll save you the reading.
Whilst you Nige have been banging on about there not being a climate crisis, yes you did, and saying the U.K. should keep burning fossil fuel over the last 15 years or so, China has been developing Net Zero technology, and produces more via renewables than fossil fuel. They are now the experts and manufacturing net zero technology.
The industrial leaders like Babbage, Brunel, Stephenson, Watt, Bessemer, Farady, who powered the U.K. to lead the industrial revolution would weep to see this level of stupidity. |  | | |
| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 10:51 - Jun 27 with 1293 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 10:07 - Jun 27 by StokieBlue |
It's not the point itself, he is absolutely right it would reduce ones emissions.
It's the aggressive, condescending, holier-than-thou way in which he posted it and attacked you that is the issue when 12 hours later he's on a long haul flight producing as much emissions in a few hours as a whole years worth of vegetarianism saves.
He's also fully entitled to do that, he just shouldn't be laying into people if he's going to.
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He's also in another thread talking about how he drove across America last year. | |
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| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 10:52 - Jun 27 with 1285 views | Benters |
| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 10:19 - Jun 27 by eireblue |
https://www.reuters.com/market
I’ll save you the reading.
Whilst you Nige have been banging on about there not being a climate crisis, yes you did, and saying the U.K. should keep burning fossil fuel over the last 15 years or so, China has been developing Net Zero technology, and produces more via renewables than fossil fuel. They are now the experts and manufacturing net zero technology.
The industrial leaders like Babbage, Brunel, Stephenson, Watt, Bessemer, Farady, who powered the U.K. to lead the industrial revolution would weep to see this level of stupidity. |
Drill baby drill that kind of thing. | |
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| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 10:52 - Jun 27 with 1291 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 06:23 - Jun 27 by Benters |
I believe there is a climate crisis,but while countries like China keep on going with their mega power stations and manufacturing powers.
I don’t believe whatever this country does regarding the climate crisis is going to make the slightest difference.
Look on here how many posters fly on aircraft to go on holiday,my Niece is always campaigning with stuff like this,but tell her she shouldn’t go on holiday at least five times a year and flying,she wouldn’t stop flying. |
Thank you for expressing an actual opinion as opposed to the usual games.
As others said china are massively developing their renewables too, plus who do you suppose is buying all the things that are manufactured by China's factories? If we took our share of those emissions, and if all countries did for what they consume we'd be hugely responsible for them not just wagging our fingers at others. |  | | |
| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 10:59 - Jun 27 with 1268 views | StokieBlue |
| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 10:52 - Jun 27 by Benters |
Drill baby drill that kind of thing. |
That has nothing to do with what he said and is just more trolling from you.
What a tedious life you must lead to find this enjoyable.
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| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 11:18 - Jun 27 with 1217 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 10:52 - Jun 27 by Benters |
Drill baby drill that kind of thing. |
Well it was fun whilst it lasted, you having a vaguely rounded opinion and expressing it.
I get it, it's hard to back Farage and spout actual thoughts and opinions that add up, he's very good at it because he can hide from scrutiny. On a forum people question you. But doesn't it feel a bit more freeing and less pathetic to actually express yourself over being a deliberate joker to deflect from difficult issues? | | | |
| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 11:23 - Jun 27 with 1199 views | eirannach_gorm |
| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 09:29 - Jun 26 by Benters |
Yet here I am sitting in my garden watching the wildlife go about his business and it’s lovely out.
I can hear my neighbours in their gardens everyone seems happier on a beautiful sunny day.
I’ve been on a mooch around the village green,and didn’t see one person running around screaming ‘the end is nigh’. |
" The well-meaning but ultimately false climate emergency is not good for residents."
https://www.rte.ie/news/europe |  | | |
| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 11:49 - Jun 27 with 1149 views | eireblue |
| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 10:52 - Jun 27 by Benters |
Drill baby drill that kind of thing. |
We know your position, it’s been paid for.
https://www.desmog.com/2026/04
Seems a shame you would turn your back on what made the U.K. a world power, just so Nige can make a bit more money. Like I said, they hate this country. | | | |
| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 12:40 - Jun 27 with 1096 views | NBVJohn |
| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 09:24 - Jun 26 by NthQldITFC |
More evidence that Ref*rm are morons, as are the majority of their supporters.
If you're only half on that bus, ffs hop off now, before it goes over the cliff. |
The majority?
‘’But we’ve had heatwaves before in 1976 which was before global warming was invented’’
Or something. | | | |
| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 13:39 - Jun 27 with 1033 views | Freddies_Ears |
| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 11:49 - Jun 27 by eireblue |
We know your position, it’s been paid for.
https://www.desmog.com/2026/04
Seems a shame you would turn your back on what made the U.K. a world power, just so Nige can make a bit more money. Like I said, they hate this country. |
I don't think they hate this country at all.. I think they love it because of there being so many gullible idiots to vote for them, and there being so many ways to grift a living. [Post edited 27 Jun 13:40]
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| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 18:11 - Jun 27 with 930 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 10:52 - Jun 27 by Axeldalai_lama |
Thank you for expressing an actual opinion as opposed to the usual games.
As others said china are massively developing their renewables too, plus who do you suppose is buying all the things that are manufactured by China's factories? If we took our share of those emissions, and if all countries did for what they consume we'd be hugely responsible for them not just wagging our fingers at others. |
I would caveat that China have courted that manufacturing industry though it’s as much pull as push. If it was purely market forces, there are cheaper jurisdictions- but China have invested hugely in the infrastructure- roads, factories; ports to attract investors. They also have labour camps and subsidise their coal power for those manufacturers it hasn’t just been thrust upon them by western consumers, it’s their own industrial strategy so they should be making more effort than others to lower emissions.
Personally I think the EU should have far higher tariffs on imports, and that is something they are looking at. These conversations are almost moot now, the climate damage is irreversible (not that we shouldn't limit the damage) so we should also be talking about mitigation- ie air conditioning in hospitals and schools, upgrading train infrastructure etc to cope - they are no longer outlier events. | | | |
| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 18:52 - Jun 27 with 891 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 18:11 - Jun 27 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I would caveat that China have courted that manufacturing industry though it’s as much pull as push. If it was purely market forces, there are cheaper jurisdictions- but China have invested hugely in the infrastructure- roads, factories; ports to attract investors. They also have labour camps and subsidise their coal power for those manufacturers it hasn’t just been thrust upon them by western consumers, it’s their own industrial strategy so they should be making more effort than others to lower emissions.
Personally I think the EU should have far higher tariffs on imports, and that is something they are looking at. These conversations are almost moot now, the climate damage is irreversible (not that we shouldn't limit the damage) so we should also be talking about mitigation- ie air conditioning in hospitals and schools, upgrading train infrastructure etc to cope - they are no longer outlier events. |
Oh, there's definitely some extra factors to unpick when discussing global emissions, and I don't disagree with china being pretty dirty in many ways. But the overall point stands alone, repatriate countries manufacturing, food and transportation emissions and it's a lot harder to shrug and blame others.
Again though, nuance has no place for reform voters. Net zero stupid, china bad, vote reform, what's for tea. | | | |
| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 19:15 - Jun 27 with 856 views | eireblue |
| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 03:16 - Jun 27 by ArnoldMoorhen |
But a lot of UK upland farms which currently hold sheep are unsuitable for arable production.
It's not as simple as saying "Switch all land currently given over to livestock to arable production" because grass will grow in places wheat can't, and sheep can go places that combine harvesters can't. |
Sorry I missed this first time around.
It isn’t me just saying it, it was a methodical study by Oxford University. It included stuff on soil health as I recall.
The downside would be citrus fruit, but maybe not so much in this heat. | | | |
| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 20:21 - Jun 27 with 801 views | Ryorry |
| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 10:19 - Jun 27 by eireblue |
https://www.reuters.com/market
I’ll save you the reading.
Whilst you Nige have been banging on about there not being a climate crisis, yes you did, and saying the U.K. should keep burning fossil fuel over the last 15 years or so, China has been developing Net Zero technology, and produces more via renewables than fossil fuel. They are now the experts and manufacturing net zero technology.
The industrial leaders like Babbage, Brunel, Stephenson, Watt, Bessemer, Farady, who powered the U.K. to lead the industrial revolution would weep to see this level of stupidity. |
And the USA, India, Russia? Or if looking at per capita, add Canada, ME countries such as Saudi & Qatar; and Australia?
And do people who support political parties always agree with all their policies? I'm a card carrying Labour party member, but I don't agree with all theirs. Don't know Benters, never met him, but would quite like to meet him for a pint & a chat to hear what he really thinks! |  |
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| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 20:31 - Jun 27 with 765 views | eirannach_gorm |
| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 20:21 - Jun 27 by Ryorry |
And the USA, India, Russia? Or if looking at per capita, add Canada, ME countries such as Saudi & Qatar; and Australia?
And do people who support political parties always agree with all their policies? I'm a card carrying Labour party member, but I don't agree with all theirs. Don't know Benters, never met him, but would quite like to meet him for a pint & a chat to hear what he really thinks! |
Why would you support a political party if you didn't agree with their policies? | | | |
| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 20:32 - Jun 27 with 762 views | Ryorry |
| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 20:31 - Jun 27 by eirannach_gorm |
Why would you support a political party if you didn't agree with their policies? |
You seem to have missed the critical word "all". | |
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| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 21:38 - Jun 27 with 702 views | eirannach_gorm |
| Initial analysis of the current heatwave on 20:32 - Jun 27 by Ryorry |
You seem to have missed the critical word "all". |
All is a very useful cloak to cover acceptance of unpleasant policies. | | | |
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