| Has this been mentioned? 15:59 - Jul 13 with 3627 views | Zx1988 |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/art
Rather worrying to read the Home Secretary's comments that the police response had "undoubtedly saved lives". |  |
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| Has this been mentioned? on 16:02 - Jul 13 with 2888 views | giant_stow |
just read that - like you say, sounds scary. |  |
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| Has this been mentioned? on 16:50 - Jul 13 with 2704 views | J2BLUE |
Credit to the police.
Sounds like it was pretty advanced. |  | | |
| Has this been mentioned? on 16:53 - Jul 13 with 2683 views | Zx1988 |
| Has this been mentioned? on 16:50 - Jul 13 by J2BLUE |
Credit to the police.
Sounds like it was pretty advanced. |
The details are pretty shocking as well - looks like it was a bit of a UK-wide network, based on the locations of the various arrests. [Post edited 13 Jul 16:54]
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| Has this been mentioned? on 17:08 - Jul 13 with 2583 views | giant_stow |
| Has this been mentioned? on 16:53 - Jul 13 by Zx1988 |
The details are pretty shocking as well - looks like it was a bit of a UK-wide network, based on the locations of the various arrests. [Post edited 13 Jul 16:54]
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This report: https://www.theguardian.com/uk it says:
"The Guardian understands the intelligence that led to the arrests emerged over the weekend. Arrests were made with the event already under way, which sources suggested indicated how late the intervention came. The event closed earlier than planned as a precaution and a major incident was declared."
Sounds like a near miss - 15,000 people there... God only knows what might have happened. | |
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| Has this been mentioned? on 17:23 - Jul 13 with 2504 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
There was a whole load of disinformation being spread about this last week on Elon's cess pit.
I had a go at a fair few about it, most of it centred around calling the event "a jihadist meeting for men", or stating that, "Saudi Arabia (amongst other countries) has banned these gatherings because of extremist connections but here in the UK we are hosting it", which is a lie, using a half truth. [Post edited 13 Jul 17:43]
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| Has this been mentioned? on 17:24 - Jul 13 with 2500 views | runaround |
Seems like the hatred on all sides is growing and no doubt there will be many more things like this planned that might not always be discovered in time.
What a divisive horrible world we live in. We are all the same, stop trying to kill each other FFS |  | | |
| Has this been mentioned? on 17:36 - Jul 13 with 2408 views | BackToRussia |
| Has this been mentioned? on 17:23 - Jul 13 by Cheltenham_Blue |
There was a whole load of disinformation being spread about this last week on Elon's cess pit.
I had a go at a fair few about it, most of it centred around calling the event "a jihadist meeting for men", or stating that, "Saudi Arabia (amongst other countries) has banned these gatherings because of extremist connections but here in the UK we are hosting it", which is a lie, using a half truth. [Post edited 13 Jul 17:43]
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I'm sure all those spreading that kind of thing will be the first to apologise now this has come to light. |  |
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| Has this been mentioned? on 17:38 - Jul 13 with 2396 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Has this been mentioned? on 17:36 - Jul 13 by BackToRussia |
I'm sure all those spreading that kind of thing will be the first to apologise now this has come to light. |
X.com will be awash with retractions by now no doubt. | |
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| Has this been mentioned? on 17:40 - Jul 13 with 2375 views | Dubtractor |
Had to take a detour on my Sunday bike ride due to this. The area was heavy on police and confused looking attendees. |  |
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| Has this been mentioned? on 17:41 - Jul 13 with 2361 views | Zx1988 |
| Has this been mentioned? on 17:38 - Jul 13 by Cheltenham_Blue |
X.com will be awash with retractions by now no doubt. |
As I've mentioned before, the sooner that those who incite and facilitate this sort of behaviour and radicalisation are brought to justice, the better.
Musk, Führage, and Tommy Ten-Names are by no means innocent in things like this, and have a lot to answer for. | |
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| Has this been mentioned? on 17:52 - Jul 13 with 2257 views | lowhouseblue |
on the subject of terrorism, has it even been mentioned on here that widdecombe's murder is now being treated as terrorism? very different events and we need to await the details of both.
i find it very strange that the police came out so definitively to say that it wasn't terrorism or political, combined with the statement that they didn't know what the motive was (some inconsistency there. no?). why so definite when it now seems to be wrong. yet again the police seem to get wrong footed on high profile events.
with the suffolk one, "undoubtedly saved lives" really must be backed up but by what eventually happens in court. [Post edited 13 Jul 18:10]
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| Unfortunately they are.... on 18:21 - Jul 13 with 2114 views | Bloots |
| Has this been mentioned? on 17:52 - Jul 13 by lowhouseblue |
on the subject of terrorism, has it even been mentioned on here that widdecombe's murder is now being treated as terrorism? very different events and we need to await the details of both.
i find it very strange that the police came out so definitively to say that it wasn't terrorism or political, combined with the statement that they didn't know what the motive was (some inconsistency there. no?). why so definite when it now seems to be wrong. yet again the police seem to get wrong footed on high profile events.
with the suffolk one, "undoubtedly saved lives" really must be backed up but by what eventually happens in court. [Post edited 13 Jul 18:10]
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...too focussed on the possible repercussions of crime rather than the crime itself.
You could say that they have a "default" position when it comes to these situations these days, but that's probably a bit controversial.
Either way they've certainly fooked this one up, arresting one man and saying it wasn't terror related, having to release him, and then arresting another one and saying it was.
Bunch of clowns. |  |
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| Unfortunately they are.... on 18:24 - Jul 13 with 2081 views | Dubtractor |
| Unfortunately they are.... on 18:21 - Jul 13 by Bloots |
...too focussed on the possible repercussions of crime rather than the crime itself.
You could say that they have a "default" position when it comes to these situations these days, but that's probably a bit controversial.
Either way they've certainly fooked this one up, arresting one man and saying it wasn't terror related, having to release him, and then arresting another one and saying it was.
Bunch of clowns. |
None of it screams competence, does it? | |
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| Unfortunately they are.... on 18:40 - Jul 13 with 1987 views | BrianTablet |
| Unfortunately they are.... on 18:24 - Jul 13 by Dubtractor |
None of it screams competence, does it? |
Maybe if they were allowed to get on with investigating, rather than having to put out constant updates and PR quotes to assuage the baying mobs of scandal-obsessed media and hate-searching public, things might progress faster? |  |
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| Unfortunately they are.... on 18:40 - Jul 13 with 1977 views | giant_stow |
| Unfortunately they are.... on 18:21 - Jul 13 by Bloots |
...too focussed on the possible repercussions of crime rather than the crime itself.
You could say that they have a "default" position when it comes to these situations these days, but that's probably a bit controversial.
Either way they've certainly fooked this one up, arresting one man and saying it wasn't terror related, having to release him, and then arresting another one and saying it was.
Bunch of clowns. |
No doubt you're both generally right, but I do feel for the police on worrying about potential consequences of certain crimes - there's a pretty toxic atmosphere out there. | |
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| Has this been mentioned? on 18:46 - Jul 13 with 1952 views | BlueBadger |
| Has this been mentioned? on 17:52 - Jul 13 by lowhouseblue |
on the subject of terrorism, has it even been mentioned on here that widdecombe's murder is now being treated as terrorism? very different events and we need to await the details of both.
i find it very strange that the police came out so definitively to say that it wasn't terrorism or political, combined with the statement that they didn't know what the motive was (some inconsistency there. no?). why so definite when it now seems to be wrong. yet again the police seem to get wrong footed on high profile events.
with the suffolk one, "undoubtedly saved lives" really must be backed up but by what eventually happens in court. [Post edited 13 Jul 18:10]
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I'd imagine that further evidence has emerged which has changed the picture. A but like in medicine how a diagnosis can change with time as we get more information. |  |
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| Has this been mentioned? on 18:54 - Jul 13 with 1905 views | EastTownBlue |
| Has this been mentioned? on 17:52 - Jul 13 by lowhouseblue |
on the subject of terrorism, has it even been mentioned on here that widdecombe's murder is now being treated as terrorism? very different events and we need to await the details of both.
i find it very strange that the police came out so definitively to say that it wasn't terrorism or political, combined with the statement that they didn't know what the motive was (some inconsistency there. no?). why so definite when it now seems to be wrong. yet again the police seem to get wrong footed on high profile events.
with the suffolk one, "undoubtedly saved lives" really must be backed up but by what eventually happens in court. [Post edited 13 Jul 18:10]
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The actual words were re the Ann Widdecombe murder
"At this point there is still no information to suggest that this is a terrorism related incident".
I wouldn't say it was definitive and further information obviously changed that. | | | |
| Has this been mentioned? on 19:02 - Jul 13 with 1861 views | lowhouseblue |
| Has this been mentioned? on 18:46 - Jul 13 by BlueBadger |
I'd imagine that further evidence has emerged which has changed the picture. A but like in medicine how a diagnosis can change with time as we get more information. |
then why make statements when 'they don't know the motive'? coincidently, my post pretty much replicated the concern expressed by the uk terrorism tzar. | |
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| Unfortunately they are.... on 19:04 - Jul 13 with 1833 views | Dubtractor |
| Unfortunately they are.... on 18:40 - Jul 13 by BrianTablet |
Maybe if they were allowed to get on with investigating, rather than having to put out constant updates and PR quotes to assuage the baying mobs of scandal-obsessed media and hate-searching public, things might progress faster? |
Yeah, the need for a blow by blow account in real time can't help, nor can the way certain groups and individuals try to use certain crime to add weight to their messaging either. | |
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| Has this been mentioned? on 19:05 - Jul 13 with 1815 views | lowhouseblue |
| Has this been mentioned? on 18:54 - Jul 13 by EastTownBlue |
The actual words were re the Ann Widdecombe murder
"At this point there is still no information to suggest that this is a terrorism related incident".
I wouldn't say it was definitive and further information obviously changed that. |
then why not list all the many other things that there was no information to suggest that the murder was related to? why make a specific point about politics and terrorism - when they admitted they had no idea what the motivation was?
coincidently, my post pretty much replicated the concern expressed by the uk terrorism tzar.
i fear that bloots' post above is correct and the police were trying to prioritise a particular narrative and it has blown up in their face. it has also made it look like farage was more on the ball than they were. which is bad. | |
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| Has this been mentioned? on 19:16 - Jul 13 with 1739 views | Dubtractor |
| Has this been mentioned? on 19:05 - Jul 13 by lowhouseblue |
then why not list all the many other things that there was no information to suggest that the murder was related to? why make a specific point about politics and terrorism - when they admitted they had no idea what the motivation was?
coincidently, my post pretty much replicated the concern expressed by the uk terrorism tzar.
i fear that bloots' post above is correct and the police were trying to prioritise a particular narrative and it has blown up in their face. it has also made it look like farage was more on the ball than they were. which is bad. |
The thing i struggle to get my head around on the Anne Widdecombe case, if indeed there is a terrorism angle, is why her? She's not exactly a relevant politician anymore.
I guess we'll find out in due course. | |
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| Has this been mentioned? on 19:26 - Jul 13 with 1649 views | BelsteadCav |
| Has this been mentioned? on 19:16 - Jul 13 by Dubtractor |
The thing i struggle to get my head around on the Anne Widdecombe case, if indeed there is a terrorism angle, is why her? She's not exactly a relevant politician anymore.
I guess we'll find out in due course. |
Probably because she was a 78 year old woman. Easy target with zero security |  |
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| Could be one of a few factors.... on 19:30 - Jul 13 with 1627 views | Bloots |
| Has this been mentioned? on 19:16 - Jul 13 by Dubtractor |
The thing i struggle to get my head around on the Anne Widdecombe case, if indeed there is a terrorism angle, is why her? She's not exactly a relevant politician anymore.
I guess we'll find out in due course. |
....high profile Reform spokesperson, fairly fundamental religious beliefs, been on "Strictly", plus an easy target public figure.
Of course the rozzers will probably change their mind tomorrow and it'll be a random burglary gone wrong. | |
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| Has this been mentioned? on 20:58 - Jul 13 with 1400 views | BlueBadger |
| Has this been mentioned? on 19:02 - Jul 13 by lowhouseblue |
then why make statements when 'they don't know the motive'? coincidently, my post pretty much replicated the concern expressed by the uk terrorism tzar. |
I'm sad to hear that you have Very Real Concerns about this. | |
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| Has this been mentioned? on 21:13 - Jul 13 with 1339 views | lowhouseblue |
| Has this been mentioned? on 20:58 - Jul 13 by BlueBadger |
I'm sad to hear that you have Very Real Concerns about this. |
pathetic. even you can do better. | |
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