| dimwits on 23:03 - Jul 16 with 1403 views | BloomBlue |
But what brilliant names; Cllr Alastair Binnie-Lubbock, Cllr Florence Schechter & Cllr Laura-Louise Fairley. I bet they all grew up on a Hackney council estate, and attended state school.
Although I hope Alastair and Laura get married. Laura-Louise Binnie-Lubbock - great name
In terms of your answer maybe it was Zack (Sid James) Polanski ? |  | |  |
| dimwits on 06:12 - Jul 17 with 1279 views | ketton_itfc |
Oh it's progressive, each dart shows their love. #bekind
I'd love to have them as my council. I've just got nasty, Tory scum. |  | | |
| dimwits on 06:20 - Jul 17 with 1267 views | GlasgowBlue |
The Green Party has been completely highjacked by th same people who infected Labour under Corbyn. |  |
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| dimwits on 06:26 - Jul 17 with 1240 views | Benters |
And why would you want to do it ? This country is loopy at the moment.
Everything is all arse about face. |  |
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| dimwits on 07:16 - Jul 17 with 1173 views | Dubtractor |
| dimwits on 06:20 - Jul 17 by GlasgowBlue |
The Green Party has been completely highjacked by th same people who infected Labour under Corbyn. |
It's basically the other arse cheek of populism.
Depressing tbh. |  |
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| dimwits on 08:19 - Jul 17 with 1093 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
That's awful... but the Green Councillors (who eveyone is immediately jumping on) didn't organise this, just attended in support of trans rights, and then left before the stupid effigy stabbing thing took place. Those individuals are morons, but nothing to do with the Green Party. |  |
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| dimwits on 08:24 - Jul 17 with 1080 views | MattinLondon |
| dimwits on 08:19 - Jul 17 by The_Flashing_Smile |
That's awful... but the Green Councillors (who eveyone is immediately jumping on) didn't organise this, just attended in support of trans rights, and then left before the stupid effigy stabbing thing took place. Those individuals are morons, but nothing to do with the Green Party. |
Yes - according to that report they simply attended an event promoting trans right and left before that nastiness. |  | | |
| dimwits on 08:26 - Jul 17 with 1075 views | MattinLondon |
| dimwits on 23:03 - Jul 16 by BloomBlue |
But what brilliant names; Cllr Alastair Binnie-Lubbock, Cllr Florence Schechter & Cllr Laura-Louise Fairley. I bet they all grew up on a Hackney council estate, and attended state school.
Although I hope Alastair and Laura get married. Laura-Louise Binnie-Lubbock - great name
In terms of your answer maybe it was Zack (Sid James) Polanski ? |
Your post is idiotic.
Surprised you didn’t include champagne socialist in there as well. | | | |
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| dimwits on 08:34 - Jul 17 with 1059 views | Dubtractor |
| dimwits on 08:24 - Jul 17 by MattinLondon |
Yes - according to that report they simply attended an event promoting trans right and left before that nastiness. |
In fairness I think GB's jab isnt aimed at the councillors, it is at the demonstrators.
The support for the green party has been massively swelled by the people who were right behind Corbyn a few years ago.
The current position of the green party isn't universally popular with long term green party members either, I know of Suffolk greens who are pretty unhappy with it. | |
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| dimwits on 08:39 - Jul 17 with 1049 views | NthQldITFC |
This is pure anti-Green, right wing propaganda by the look of things.
The article explains in the third paragraph that they had left before it happened and that the party condemns the act.
Would you condemn every football fan who had attended a match if there was a bit of trouble in the ground after a lot of them had left? |  |
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| dimwits on 08:44 - Jul 17 with 1020 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| dimwits on 08:34 - Jul 17 by Dubtractor |
In fairness I think GB's jab isnt aimed at the councillors, it is at the demonstrators.
The support for the green party has been massively swelled by the people who were right behind Corbyn a few years ago.
The current position of the green party isn't universally popular with long term green party members either, I know of Suffolk greens who are pretty unhappy with it. |
It's not just GB having a pop at the Greens in this thread.
But anyway, how do you and Glassers know it's the same people who were behind Corbyn that are now supporting the Greens? | |
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| dimwits on 09:04 - Jul 17 with 930 views | Dubtractor |
| dimwits on 08:44 - Jul 17 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It's not just GB having a pop at the Greens in this thread.
But anyway, how do you and Glassers know it's the same people who were behind Corbyn that are now supporting the Greens? |
For some reason I thought yours and matt's comments were in response to gb's post, but they weren't, so blame my morning brain for picking it up as if it was.
On the latter point, my online social media life is pretty much a lefty echo chamber, amd all the people who were most vocally pro corbyn are now sharing everything Polanski does.
I'm not anti left by the way, see my aforementioned echo chamber comment, but there is a certain breed of protester class who turn me off somewhat. Eg the ones in that story. Lots of protest is good and needed, for the aviidance of doubt. [Post edited 17 Jul 9:06]
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| dimwits on 09:09 - Jul 17 with 907 views | giant_stow |
| dimwits on 08:39 - Jul 17 by NthQldITFC |
This is pure anti-Green, right wing propaganda by the look of things.
The article explains in the third paragraph that they had left before it happened and that the party condemns the act.
Would you condemn every football fan who had attended a match if there was a bit of trouble in the ground after a lot of them had left? |
There's a touch of anti-green propaganda yeah, although as you say, the Green's response is very high in the article too, tbf.
The point is that there were some people who yet again brought violence to a demo - when left does the same as the right, its a gift to the right. Dimwits. This isn't an anti-green point - its an anti stupid people point who damage their cause.
The especially sad thing in this case is that a trans rights demo has used violence to make a point, thus confirming one of the other sides main points about male anger and privilege. |  |
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| dimwits on 09:21 - Jul 17 with 865 views | NthQldITFC |
| dimwits on 09:09 - Jul 17 by giant_stow |
There's a touch of anti-green propaganda yeah, although as you say, the Green's response is very high in the article too, tbf.
The point is that there were some people who yet again brought violence to a demo - when left does the same as the right, its a gift to the right. Dimwits. This isn't an anti-green point - its an anti stupid people point who damage their cause.
The especially sad thing in this case is that a trans rights demo has used violence to make a point, thus confirming one of the other sides main points about male anger and privilege. |
Fair enough Ullaa. I wrongly assumed your 'dimwits' referred to the Green councillors, who were effectively bystanders - no, not even bystanders, they weren't even there! - as far as the dimwit darts bit goes. Apols. | |
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| dimwits on 09:35 - Jul 17 with 827 views | giant_stow |
| dimwits on 09:21 - Jul 17 by NthQldITFC |
Fair enough Ullaa. I wrongly assumed your 'dimwits' referred to the Green councillors, who were effectively bystanders - no, not even bystanders, they weren't even there! - as far as the dimwit darts bit goes. Apols. |
Don't apologise! I mean I have to be honest and say that I'm not wildly impressed by that end of the green party, so some of your criticism is fair. | |
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| dimwits on 09:39 - Jul 17 with 807 views | Rsj13 |
| dimwits on 08:39 - Jul 17 by NthQldITFC |
This is pure anti-Green, right wing propaganda by the look of things.
The article explains in the third paragraph that they had left before it happened and that the party condemns the act.
Would you condemn every football fan who had attended a match if there was a bit of trouble in the ground after a lot of them had left? |
Normally agree with most of what you say, but on this occasion I may have to respectfully disagree.
Without being too sceptical, I think all parties would say something along the lines of "our guys had left before things turned bad", regardless of if this was true, but they were confident they could get away with saying it. And the Green's statement was fundamentally about "supporting the trans community", which whilst naturally important, I would say that when - once something like this has happened - the topic of the protest is somewhat irrelevant. There was a protest that incited violence against a politician, and they need to own up to the mistake. There should have been proper due diligence done on the previous activities of the group arranging the protest, and if there was any indication that this was going to happen, they should have steered clear. (for the record, not saying this was or wasn't done, or there was previous evidence, I do not know about about that part.)
If the shoe were on the other foot, and Farage was at a protest, and then after he left it turned nasty, then it would be front page news, as it absolutely should.
There is absolutely no place for anything like this. We are currently investigating yet another murder of a politician in this country. There have been more in the last 10 years than the previous 50, and anything that normalises or promotes violence towards politicians needs to be eradicated immediately. |  | | |
| dimwits on 10:51 - Jul 17 with 738 views | Benters |
| dimwits on 08:44 - Jul 17 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It's not just GB having a pop at the Greens in this thread.
But anyway, how do you and Glassers know it's the same people who were behind Corbyn that are now supporting the Greens? |
Because he is clever. | |
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| dimwits on 12:55 - Jul 17 with 638 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| dimwits on 09:04 - Jul 17 by Dubtractor |
For some reason I thought yours and matt's comments were in response to gb's post, but they weren't, so blame my morning brain for picking it up as if it was.
On the latter point, my online social media life is pretty much a lefty echo chamber, amd all the people who were most vocally pro corbyn are now sharing everything Polanski does.
I'm not anti left by the way, see my aforementioned echo chamber comment, but there is a certain breed of protester class who turn me off somewhat. Eg the ones in that story. Lots of protest is good and needed, for the aviidance of doubt. [Post edited 17 Jul 9:06]
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Well that's a reasonable answer, but it's just a few people, as you say in your echo chamber. I was a Corbyn supporter and while I like some of what the Greens say, I'm not a member or a supporter or anything. And I've only been on one protest march in my life!
I think a lot of the "same people who supported Corbyn" comments aren't really proven... and are also, by a lot of people though not necessarily you, designed to smear the Greens. Put them in a box with loony Corbyn supporters. Which is unfair IMO. But we all know certain people prefer smeary politics to what's true, fair or helpful. Smear them rather than deal with the points/their ideas. | |
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| dimwits on 12:58 - Jul 17 with 619 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| dimwits on 09:39 - Jul 17 by Rsj13 |
Normally agree with most of what you say, but on this occasion I may have to respectfully disagree.
Without being too sceptical, I think all parties would say something along the lines of "our guys had left before things turned bad", regardless of if this was true, but they were confident they could get away with saying it. And the Green's statement was fundamentally about "supporting the trans community", which whilst naturally important, I would say that when - once something like this has happened - the topic of the protest is somewhat irrelevant. There was a protest that incited violence against a politician, and they need to own up to the mistake. There should have been proper due diligence done on the previous activities of the group arranging the protest, and if there was any indication that this was going to happen, they should have steered clear. (for the record, not saying this was or wasn't done, or there was previous evidence, I do not know about about that part.)
If the shoe were on the other foot, and Farage was at a protest, and then after he left it turned nasty, then it would be front page news, as it absolutely should.
There is absolutely no place for anything like this. We are currently investigating yet another murder of a politician in this country. There have been more in the last 10 years than the previous 50, and anything that normalises or promotes violence towards politicians needs to be eradicated immediately. |
If the Green councillors were present during the dart thing there would probably be pictures of it. | |
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| dimwits on 13:05 - Jul 17 with 588 views | Rsj13 |
| dimwits on 12:58 - Jul 17 by The_Flashing_Smile |
If the Green councillors were present during the dart thing there would probably be pictures of it. |
"the dart thing" is a pretty wild underrepresentation of events. | | | |
| dimwits on 13:29 - Jul 17 with 543 views | Dubtractor |
| dimwits on 12:55 - Jul 17 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Well that's a reasonable answer, but it's just a few people, as you say in your echo chamber. I was a Corbyn supporter and while I like some of what the Greens say, I'm not a member or a supporter or anything. And I've only been on one protest march in my life!
I think a lot of the "same people who supported Corbyn" comments aren't really proven... and are also, by a lot of people though not necessarily you, designed to smear the Greens. Put them in a box with loony Corbyn supporters. Which is unfair IMO. But we all know certain people prefer smeary politics to what's true, fair or helpful. Smear them rather than deal with the points/their ideas. |
To add a bit more detail, I liked a lot of what both Corbyn stood for, and the same with Polanski, but it's the whole package and some of the people who come with it that turn me off.
I agree with your point about smears, but a bit like Reform and Restore on the other arse cheek, if you court these fringe types with dubious views (not suggesting these are the same, but just to illustrate a point) then your opponents will use that to attack you. | |
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| dimwits on 13:44 - Jul 17 with 522 views | Swansea_Blue |
| dimwits on 08:19 - Jul 17 by The_Flashing_Smile |
That's awful... but the Green Councillors (who eveyone is immediately jumping on) didn't organise this, just attended in support of trans rights, and then left before the stupid effigy stabbing thing took place. Those individuals are morons, but nothing to do with the Green Party. |
And one of them, Cllr Florence Schechter, is Jewish herself before any one piles in with antisemitism accusations. She’s also the founder and former director of the Vagina Museum so would have been able to
Identify and avoid any tw*ts 
Obviously no words can describe the stupidity of people stabbing an effigy of a politician in the current fractious climate. |  |
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| dimwits on 14:08 - Jul 17 with 466 views | wrightsrightglove |
| dimwits on 09:39 - Jul 17 by Rsj13 |
Normally agree with most of what you say, but on this occasion I may have to respectfully disagree.
Without being too sceptical, I think all parties would say something along the lines of "our guys had left before things turned bad", regardless of if this was true, but they were confident they could get away with saying it. And the Green's statement was fundamentally about "supporting the trans community", which whilst naturally important, I would say that when - once something like this has happened - the topic of the protest is somewhat irrelevant. There was a protest that incited violence against a politician, and they need to own up to the mistake. There should have been proper due diligence done on the previous activities of the group arranging the protest, and if there was any indication that this was going to happen, they should have steered clear. (for the record, not saying this was or wasn't done, or there was previous evidence, I do not know about about that part.)
If the shoe were on the other foot, and Farage was at a protest, and then after he left it turned nasty, then it would be front page news, as it absolutely should.
There is absolutely no place for anything like this. We are currently investigating yet another murder of a politician in this country. There have been more in the last 10 years than the previous 50, and anything that normalises or promotes violence towards politicians needs to be eradicated immediately. |
I’m not sure why you’re comparing this to if Farage turned up to an event, these were green Councillors in attendance, not the party leader. I’m sure there are plenty of Reform Councillors who have attended events where similarly moronic things have happened. With the best will in the world I don’t think you can preempt something like this and if you were never going to attend an event where there’s a possibility of something this stupid happening then you’d never attend any form of political event. Every party has their idiots and extremeists but I don’t feel like much criticism can be directed at the Green Party in this instance. | | | |
| dimwits on 14:35 - Jul 17 with 407 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| dimwits on 13:05 - Jul 17 by Rsj13 |
"the dart thing" is a pretty wild underrepresentation of events. |
Weird take. It was just shorthand, I didn't think I needed to spell it all out again. And it had nothing to do with the point I was making. | |
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| dimwits on 14:57 - Jul 17 with 348 views | Rsj13 |
| dimwits on 14:35 - Jul 17 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Weird take. It was just shorthand, I didn't think I needed to spell it all out again. And it had nothing to do with the point I was making. |
In the same way that you didn't respond to the main point I was making. And it might be shorthand, but it does seem dismissive of what was being done, which was abhorrent.
We have had murders of politicians across the political spectrum in recent years. Anything that promotes anything close to that has absolutely zero place in society and if you're close to it you should be called out.
We should do a lot more to call out Reform Councillors who get close to bad right wing protests as well. But that doesn't mean that this shouldn't also be called out, either. Another poster called me out for comparing apples and pears (Councillors Vs Farage), and they're absolutely spot on there, that was clumsy and wrong of me.
I don't think that's a particularly controversial take. | | | |
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