| DNA š§¬ 20:12 - Jul 16 with 2528 views | Perublue |
I think TTās latest comments are the nail in the coffin for him ā¦ the press and the players will be totally against him ā¦ itās a shame as apart from that horrendous 30 minutes heād done a good job managing the squad and matches I thought.
But his role is untenable now. |  |
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| DNA š§¬ on 20:16 - Jul 16 with 2042 views | SitfcB |
Think people just need to chill out.
Pretty sure we got further than a lot expected.
On last night, had we pulled it off heād have been lauded up as the best manager ever, did he go defensive too early? Maybe.
But had he gone for it and we conceded people would have said why didnāt we shut up shop, couldnāt really win.
The right thing to have done was probably not change it so early and kept playing that way we were. |  |
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| DNA š§¬ on 20:19 - Jul 16 with 2011 views | Perublue |
"In this moment my feeling was no structure in the world could have helped us," Tuchel says, "because actually we were too passive and we were not physical enough, we didn't stop runners arriving in our box and the deliveries were wrong too.
"I haven't seen the data yet, but I think just right after the goal the momentum swings completely and ball possession drops dramatically.
"We couldn't find any duels anymore, that's why we dropped deeper and deeper, it was never the plan, but it happened.
"(We) couldn't stop the runners from second line, the midfielders, through our gaps, and the deliveries were on the highest level. You need to get back on the ball, otherwise you cannot break the pressure and you cannot get the momentum back.
"I think ball possession plays then a crucial role, it's maybe not in our DNA like it is in our Spanish DNA or in our Argentinian-Brazilian DNA, to take the ball and control the game with the ball." | |
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| DNA š§¬ on 20:19 - Jul 16 with 2003 views | DarkBrandon |
| DNA š§¬ on 20:16 - Jul 16 by SitfcB |
Think people just need to chill out.
Pretty sure we got further than a lot expected.
On last night, had we pulled it off heād have been lauded up as the best manager ever, did he go defensive too early? Maybe.
But had he gone for it and we conceded people would have said why didnāt we shut up shop, couldnāt really win.
The right thing to have done was probably not change it so early and kept playing that way we were. |
You are right ā¦ he couldnāt win |  | | |
| DNA š§¬ on 20:20 - Jul 16 with 1998 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| DNA š§¬ on 20:16 - Jul 16 by SitfcB |
Think people just need to chill out.
Pretty sure we got further than a lot expected.
On last night, had we pulled it off heād have been lauded up as the best manager ever, did he go defensive too early? Maybe.
But had he gone for it and we conceded people would have said why didnāt we shut up shop, couldnāt really win.
The right thing to have done was probably not change it so early and kept playing that way we were. |
I think we did OK, but we didnt really play anyone of note.
The Mexico match was THE memory from this WC, what a night.
I think thats why the surrender last night was such a disappointment. Its not a case of whether we shut up shop, its not having an out ball at least that was unforgivable. |  |
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| DNA š§¬ on 20:21 - Jul 16 with 1969 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| DNA š§¬ on 20:19 - Jul 16 by Perublue |
"In this moment my feeling was no structure in the world could have helped us," Tuchel says, "because actually we were too passive and we were not physical enough, we didn't stop runners arriving in our box and the deliveries were wrong too.
"I haven't seen the data yet, but I think just right after the goal the momentum swings completely and ball possession drops dramatically.
"We couldn't find any duels anymore, that's why we dropped deeper and deeper, it was never the plan, but it happened.
"(We) couldn't stop the runners from second line, the midfielders, through our gaps, and the deliveries were on the highest level. You need to get back on the ball, otherwise you cannot break the pressure and you cannot get the momentum back.
"I think ball possession plays then a crucial role, it's maybe not in our DNA like it is in our Spanish DNA or in our Argentinian-Brazilian DNA, to take the ball and control the game with the ball." |
He sounds lost, like he's just given up. | |
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| DNA š§¬ on 20:22 - Jul 16 with 1942 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| DNA š§¬ on 20:19 - Jul 16 by DarkBrandon |
You are right ā¦ he couldnāt win |
I dont think its that binary, there is a middle ground, with sensible subs (fresh legs in attacking positions) that would have made more sense.
If we had gone out fighting, it would be a lot easier to take.
I will never understand the Gordon substitution. | |
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| DNA š§¬ on 20:23 - Jul 16 with 1943 views | Perublue |
| DNA š§¬ on 20:16 - Jul 16 by SitfcB |
Think people just need to chill out.
Pretty sure we got further than a lot expected.
On last night, had we pulled it off heād have been lauded up as the best manager ever, did he go defensive too early? Maybe.
But had he gone for it and we conceded people would have said why didnāt we shut up shop, couldnāt really win.
The right thing to have done was probably not change it so early and kept playing that way we were. |
Iām in the Tuchel camp ā¦ but he and the FA might as well accept the next 2 years leading to a home Euroās is like Starmer hanging on. | |
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| DNA š§¬ on 20:32 - Jul 16 with 1872 views | LeoMuff |
| DNA š§¬ on 20:21 - Jul 16 by Marshalls_Mullet |
He sounds lost, like he's just given up. |
How are Burn, Konza, Stones, O Reilly, Guehi, Spence, going to help us get on the ball ? One midfielder in Anderson. You want to get on the ball you donāt play 6 defenders and one midfielder.
Lost the plot |  |
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| DNA š§¬ on 20:34 - Jul 16 with 1845 views | billlm |
I think the Mexican game and the conditions against Norway and the recovery time done as much damage as anything else,
We did as well as I thought we would,
I think we as supporters have to realize there are many good nations out there now it's difficult, luck plays a big part,
Not sure il see us win a trophy,
But never give up hope, |  | | |
| DNA š§¬ on 20:35 - Jul 16 with 1818 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| DNA š§¬ on 20:23 - Jul 16 by Perublue |
Iām in the Tuchel camp ā¦ but he and the FA might as well accept the next 2 years leading to a home Euroās is like Starmer hanging on. |
I don't want him sacked, but I think he should admit that his tactics were wrong. Even if he uses the caveat of hindsight.
Tuchel made these comments when assessing the Euro finals loss: "They were more afraid to drop out of the tournament than having the hunger and excitement to win it." ....and they have unfortunately come back to haunt him. | |
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| DNA š§¬ on 20:37 - Jul 16 with 1770 views | LeoMuff |
| DNA š§¬ on 20:35 - Jul 16 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I don't want him sacked, but I think he should admit that his tactics were wrong. Even if he uses the caveat of hindsight.
Tuchel made these comments when assessing the Euro finals loss: "They were more afraid to drop out of the tournament than having the hunger and excitement to win it." ....and they have unfortunately come back to haunt him. |
Yep, we should keep him he did plenty right this tournement, which makes last night even more baffling | |
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| DNA š§¬ on 20:43 - Jul 16 with 1741 views | jontysnut |
| DNA š§¬ on 20:32 - Jul 16 by LeoMuff |
How are Burn, Konza, Stones, O Reilly, Guehi, Spence, going to help us get on the ball ? One midfielder in Anderson. You want to get on the ball you donāt play 6 defenders and one midfielder.
Lost the plot |
We don't produce 'schemers' any more, or mercurial rugby players for that matter. When's the last time you could call an England player a genius - Gazza maybe? |  | | |
| DNA š§¬ on 20:53 - Jul 16 with 1641 views | Pique |
| DNA š§¬ on 20:43 - Jul 16 by jontysnut |
We don't produce 'schemers' any more, or mercurial rugby players for that matter. When's the last time you could call an England player a genius - Gazza maybe? |
Paul Scholes, who was just as good as Modric, Pirlo, Xavi and Iniesta. The Barcelona boys used to watch videos of him at La Masia.
So being England, we decided to play him on the left wing to ensure Gerrard and Lampard could play together and compete to see which one could be the bigger headless chicken.
Scholes, understandably fed up, retired from international football at the age of 29.
29.
We really don't help ourselves. |  | | |
| DNA š§¬ on 21:30 - Jul 16 with 1485 views | Perublue |
Rugby mentioned in the thread reminds me .. was āswing low ,sweet chariotā getting an airing last night during the match ? Iām sure I heard it a couple of times. | |
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| DNA š§¬ on 21:31 - Jul 16 with 1477 views | Vic |
Heās not wrong though is he!
Weāre defo getting better, as the last few tournaments have shown. But until recently weāve revelled in having a very English way of playing the game - which owed more to blood and guts than guile. As someone posted, Paul Scholes retired and 29, and way before then Hoddle and then Matt Le Tissier weāre often seen as a āluxuryā players. Add Frank Worthington to that list.
Scandalous.
No wonder itās taking us so long to get that mentality out of our system. Weāre getting there, but thereās still some way to do. |  |
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| DNA š§¬ on 21:34 - Jul 16 with 1454 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| DNA š§¬ on 20:19 - Jul 16 by Perublue |
"In this moment my feeling was no structure in the world could have helped us," Tuchel says, "because actually we were too passive and we were not physical enough, we didn't stop runners arriving in our box and the deliveries were wrong too.
"I haven't seen the data yet, but I think just right after the goal the momentum swings completely and ball possession drops dramatically.
"We couldn't find any duels anymore, that's why we dropped deeper and deeper, it was never the plan, but it happened.
"(We) couldn't stop the runners from second line, the midfielders, through our gaps, and the deliveries were on the highest level. You need to get back on the ball, otherwise you cannot break the pressure and you cannot get the momentum back.
"I think ball possession plays then a crucial role, it's maybe not in our DNA like it is in our Spanish DNA or in our Argentinian-Brazilian DNA, to take the ball and control the game with the ball." |
In other words, "It was the players." |  |
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| DNA š§¬ on 21:42 - Jul 16 with 1405 views | ReusersTown |
| DNA š§¬ on 20:16 - Jul 16 by SitfcB |
Think people just need to chill out.
Pretty sure we got further than a lot expected.
On last night, had we pulled it off heād have been lauded up as the best manager ever, did he go defensive too early? Maybe.
But had he gone for it and we conceded people would have said why didnāt we shut up shop, couldnāt really win.
The right thing to have done was probably not change it so early and kept playing that way we were. |
We got a lot further than a lot expected... * Given the squad he had selected.
There's going defensive & there's having 4/5 CBs on the pitch with 30 minutes to go. That is how a non league team would play it in the FA cup and tbh is pretty embarrassing. [Post edited 16 Jul 21:44]
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| DNA š§¬ on 21:50 - Jul 16 with 1341 views | ReusersTown |
| DNA š§¬ on 20:37 - Jul 16 by LeoMuff |
Yep, we should keep him he did plenty right this tournement, which makes last night even more baffling |
All he did was beat teams we were expected to beat whilst playing fairly poorly with very little patterns or shape. | | | |
| DNA š§¬ on 21:52 - Jul 16 with 1322 views | vapour_trail |
| DNA š§¬ on 20:16 - Jul 16 by SitfcB |
Think people just need to chill out.
Pretty sure we got further than a lot expected.
On last night, had we pulled it off heād have been lauded up as the best manager ever, did he go defensive too early? Maybe.
But had he gone for it and we conceded people would have said why didnāt we shut up shop, couldnāt really win.
The right thing to have done was probably not change it so early and kept playing that way we were. |
This is shite.
We were one of four seeds the draw was made easier for by FIFA.
We got to the last four. Thatās par.
Then we capitulated. |  |
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| DNA š§¬ on 22:01 - Jul 16 with 1261 views | BlueForYou |
| DNA š§¬ on 21:30 - Jul 16 by Perublue |
Rugby mentioned in the thread reminds me .. was āswing low ,sweet chariotā getting an airing last night during the match ? Iām sure I heard it a couple of times. |
We just happen to be playing Argentina in Argentina on Saturday. Hopefully our Rugby boys can win & give us something to cheer. |  | | |
| DNA š§¬ on 22:01 - Jul 16 with 1260 views | Trequartista |
I think the comments about dna would be fair in general but not in the context of that defeat.
I can't see how he continues. It doesn't seem right to make such a decision on half a game, but it was such a big game and such a big blunder, and I think the relationship with the players is now too strained. [Post edited 16 Jul 22:02]
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| DNA š§¬ on 22:04 - Jul 16 with 1228 views | vapour_trail |
| DNA š§¬ on 22:01 - Jul 16 by Trequartista |
I think the comments about dna would be fair in general but not in the context of that defeat.
I can't see how he continues. It doesn't seem right to make such a decision on half a game, but it was such a big game and such a big blunder, and I think the relationship with the players is now too strained. [Post edited 16 Jul 22:02]
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Completely agree.
Suspect the FA will let this stumble on for some time however. | |
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| DNA š§¬ on 22:05 - Jul 16 with 1220 views | Illinoisblue |
| DNA š§¬ on 21:31 - Jul 16 by Vic |
Heās not wrong though is he!
Weāre defo getting better, as the last few tournaments have shown. But until recently weāve revelled in having a very English way of playing the game - which owed more to blood and guts than guile. As someone posted, Paul Scholes retired and 29, and way before then Hoddle and then Matt Le Tissier weāre often seen as a āluxuryā players. Add Frank Worthington to that list.
Scandalous.
No wonder itās taking us so long to get that mentality out of our system. Weāre getting there, but thereās still some way to do. |
The stats make for grim reading:
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| DNA š§¬ on 06:17 - Jul 17 with 843 views | Benters |
| DNA š§¬ on 20:19 - Jul 16 by DarkBrandon |
You are right ā¦ he couldnāt win |
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