| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 11:42 - Aug 1 with 2662 views | eirannach_gorm |
international law was irrelevant, because the Bible gave Jews their right to West Bank land. |  | |  |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 11:58 - Aug 1 with 2629 views | J2BLUE |
Well you don't see that every day. A lawyer saying violence is justified. Incredible. |  | | |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 12:28 - Aug 1 with 2578 views | Whos_blue |
Yeah. My heart sank when I read that on the news earlier.
Shameful. |  |
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| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 12:52 - Aug 1 with 2503 views | GlasgowBlue |
It's occupation and terrorism. No ifs and no buts. |  |
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| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 13:14 - Aug 1 with 2445 views | NthQldITFC |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 11:42 - Aug 1 by eirannach_gorm |
international law was irrelevant, because the Bible gave Jews their right to West Bank land. |
I heard some cntu on Radio 4 earlier saying one Jewish life for one million Palestinians because the fking bible. BBC shouldn't give scum like that airtime.
edit: It's apparently the same fat racist scumbag in this article. Filth. [Post edited 1 Aug 13:22]
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| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 13:41 - Aug 1 with 2338 views | ronnyd |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 11:42 - Aug 1 by eirannach_gorm |
international law was irrelevant, because the Bible gave Jews their right to West Bank land. |
What chance is there for peace with such intransigence? | | | |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 13:45 - Aug 1 with 2321 views | SouthBucksBlue |
I saw this article earlier and I was absolutely disgusted.
This guy is a lawyer so presumably not unintelligent but justifies this behaviour by referring to something promised in a religious document (from one of hundreds of doctrines that exist) from over two thousand years ago.
It’s good to see the BBC reporting this kind of thing for a change.
With regards to the concerning rise in antisemitism in the U.K. and Europe I’ve always thought that this would reduce if British and European Jewry did more to distance itself from the vile conduct of Israel.
Instead governments continue the supply of military support and seem scared to intervene. Also there are such as Lord Pannick who recently tried to evoke legal proceedings to prevent Kier Starmer recognising Palestine as a state. | | | |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 15:51 - Aug 1 with 2183 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 13:45 - Aug 1 by SouthBucksBlue |
I saw this article earlier and I was absolutely disgusted.
This guy is a lawyer so presumably not unintelligent but justifies this behaviour by referring to something promised in a religious document (from one of hundreds of doctrines that exist) from over two thousand years ago.
It’s good to see the BBC reporting this kind of thing for a change.
With regards to the concerning rise in antisemitism in the U.K. and Europe I’ve always thought that this would reduce if British and European Jewry did more to distance itself from the vile conduct of Israel.
Instead governments continue the supply of military support and seem scared to intervene. Also there are such as Lord Pannick who recently tried to evoke legal proceedings to prevent Kier Starmer recognising Palestine as a state. |
"With regards to the concerning rise in Islamophobia in the U.K. and Europe I’ve always thought that this would reduce if British and European Muslims did more to distance themselves from the vile conduct of Islamists".
Victim blaming at it's very worst. We actually has a few posters called out for stating that Islam was the problem, not a warped interpretation of Islam. It went to the pages. But Jews are obligated to called out the actions of Israel to reduce racism against them? Staggering.
I'd like to think that the same posters who spent several pages on the issue of Islamophobia will do the same on your contribution to this thread. So far there is one. Me. We'll see. [Post edited 1 Aug 16:47]
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| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 17:10 - Aug 1 with 2088 views | SouthBucksBlue |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 15:51 - Aug 1 by GlasgowBlue |
"With regards to the concerning rise in Islamophobia in the U.K. and Europe I’ve always thought that this would reduce if British and European Muslims did more to distance themselves from the vile conduct of Islamists".
Victim blaming at it's very worst. We actually has a few posters called out for stating that Islam was the problem, not a warped interpretation of Islam. It went to the pages. But Jews are obligated to called out the actions of Israel to reduce racism against them? Staggering.
I'd like to think that the same posters who spent several pages on the issue of Islamophobia will do the same on your contribution to this thread. So far there is one. Me. We'll see. [Post edited 1 Aug 16:47]
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I don’t see it as victim blaming.
I see it as a pertinent question when an vile extremist regime continues to invade and steal other peoples land, bulldozes their homes and builds their own because the bible says it’s okay and international law doesn’t apply.
Factor in the continuing killings in Gaza during the ceasefire which are largely unreported and for good measure the delightful IDF tactic of following up their attacks to get the first responders as well.
Why isn’t this behaviour being condemned by wider Jewry do you think? | | | |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 17:33 - Aug 1 with 2053 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 17:10 - Aug 1 by SouthBucksBlue |
I don’t see it as victim blaming.
I see it as a pertinent question when an vile extremist regime continues to invade and steal other peoples land, bulldozes their homes and builds their own because the bible says it’s okay and international law doesn’t apply.
Factor in the continuing killings in Gaza during the ceasefire which are largely unreported and for good measure the delightful IDF tactic of following up their attacks to get the first responders as well.
Why isn’t this behaviour being condemned by wider Jewry do you think? |
And all that you list is as much to do with Alfie Cohen in Golders Green as the Islamist attack in Berlin has to do with Omar Khan of Tower Hamlets.
Next I meet I see my Chinese neighbour I’ll demand that he is more vocal about Xi’s treatment of the Uyghurs. That way less people will be racist towards him and his family.
Staggering that people think this way. Racism is always the fault of the racists. Not the victims. | |
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| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 18:00 - Aug 1 with 2009 views | SouthBucksBlue |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 17:33 - Aug 1 by GlasgowBlue |
And all that you list is as much to do with Alfie Cohen in Golders Green as the Islamist attack in Berlin has to do with Omar Khan of Tower Hamlets.
Next I meet I see my Chinese neighbour I’ll demand that he is more vocal about Xi’s treatment of the Uyghurs. That way less people will be racist towards him and his family.
Staggering that people think this way. Racism is always the fault of the racists. Not the victims. |
The reality is that ignorant racists will discriminate against Alfie Cohen. Maybe if European Jewry distanced itself from the Israeli regime, Alfie Cohen would be perceived differently and not discriminated against because of the actions of Israel. [Post edited 1 Aug 18:02]
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| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 19:02 - Aug 1 with 1905 views | pointofblue |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 18:00 - Aug 1 by SouthBucksBlue |
The reality is that ignorant racists will discriminate against Alfie Cohen. Maybe if European Jewry distanced itself from the Israeli regime, Alfie Cohen would be perceived differently and not discriminated against because of the actions of Israel. [Post edited 1 Aug 18:02]
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And, as stated, the prevalent belief that people of Islam should call out the actions of Hamas and Al Qaeda it was rightly shouted down that they should not be responsible for actions of the extreme.
Blaming innocent people because of the actions of others who happen to follow their creed or sect is the start of a very slippery slope.
It is good that the BBC is publicising these beliefs, however. It's good for as many people as possible to find out how ridiculous these views are, as well as dangerousm | |
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| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 19:08 - Aug 1 with 1894 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 19:02 - Aug 1 by pointofblue |
And, as stated, the prevalent belief that people of Islam should call out the actions of Hamas and Al Qaeda it was rightly shouted down that they should not be responsible for actions of the extreme.
Blaming innocent people because of the actions of others who happen to follow their creed or sect is the start of a very slippery slope.
It is good that the BBC is publicising these beliefs, however. It's good for as many people as possible to find out how ridiculous these views are, as well as dangerousm |
It can be helpful for community leaders to condemn and distance the wider community from atrocities carried out in the name of their community/faith though, no? It must help diffuse tensions and most people would realise such leaders or the community as a whole aren’t responsible. The condemnation by UK Muslim leaders of the Hamas attacks on 7th October seemed welcome at the time, for example - https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/e |  |
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| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 19:28 - Aug 1 with 1854 views | pointofblue |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 19:08 - Aug 1 by Swansea_Blue |
It can be helpful for community leaders to condemn and distance the wider community from atrocities carried out in the name of their community/faith though, no? It must help diffuse tensions and most people would realise such leaders or the community as a whole aren’t responsible. The condemnation by UK Muslim leaders of the Hamas attacks on 7th October seemed welcome at the time, for example - https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/e |
It was very welcome and would be welcome. Though there are Jewish groups who are calling out the treatment of Palestinians, including in Israel itself. | |
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| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 19:44 - Aug 1 with 1823 views | wrightsrightglove |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 17:10 - Aug 1 by SouthBucksBlue |
I don’t see it as victim blaming.
I see it as a pertinent question when an vile extremist regime continues to invade and steal other peoples land, bulldozes their homes and builds their own because the bible says it’s okay and international law doesn’t apply.
Factor in the continuing killings in Gaza during the ceasefire which are largely unreported and for good measure the delightful IDF tactic of following up their attacks to get the first responders as well.
Why isn’t this behaviour being condemned by wider Jewry do you think? |
I think this is pretty misguided in truth. I hate the actions of Israel as much as anyone, and I have my reasons for that, but I don’t think calling on just the Jewish community to speak up against it is right or fair. Anyone supporting the actions of Israel’s government is despicable, regardless of their religion, in the same way that anyone supporting Hamas’ actions is equally despicable. We should all call out these horrendous actions at every opportunity, but expecting one particular group to take the lead on that isn’t right in my opinion. | | | |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 19:58 - Aug 1 with 1761 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 19:28 - Aug 1 by pointofblue |
It was very welcome and would be welcome. Though there are Jewish groups who are calling out the treatment of Palestinians, including in Israel itself. |
That’s great and should be welcomed. Is the problem simply that it’s good that these groups denounce the violence but there shouldn’t be any expectation on them to do so? If so that seems quite a fine line yet I do see that distinction. TBH it’s an area that continually confuses me because it’s so heated/political/weaponised. | |
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| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 21:30 - Aug 1 with 1681 views | eireblue |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 19:58 - Aug 1 by Swansea_Blue |
That’s great and should be welcomed. Is the problem simply that it’s good that these groups denounce the violence but there shouldn’t be any expectation on them to do so? If so that seems quite a fine line yet I do see that distinction. TBH it’s an area that continually confuses me because it’s so heated/political/weaponised. |
The Archbishop of Canterbury doesn’t condemn attacks carried out by Christian terrorists.
Surely European Christians should be condemning acts of violence carried out in Gods name by other Christians.
If not, maybe people will start thinking unkindly of European Christians.
Hmmm….yeah…when you say it out loud it does sound…..ridiculous. |  | | |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 22:37 - Aug 1 with 1594 views | pointofblue |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 19:58 - Aug 1 by Swansea_Blue |
That’s great and should be welcomed. Is the problem simply that it’s good that these groups denounce the violence but there shouldn’t be any expectation on them to do so? If so that seems quite a fine line yet I do see that distinction. TBH it’s an area that continually confuses me because it’s so heated/political/weaponised. |
My point is Islamophobia and anti-Semitism should not be accepted or expected just because because do not denounce vile actions which happen in the name of their religion. It's not even acceptable if they outright support it. I get how it can be difficult but not sinking to the lowest level is the first step in fighting back. | |
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| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 22:38 - Aug 1 with 1596 views | NthQldITFC |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 19:44 - Aug 1 by wrightsrightglove |
I think this is pretty misguided in truth. I hate the actions of Israel as much as anyone, and I have my reasons for that, but I don’t think calling on just the Jewish community to speak up against it is right or fair. Anyone supporting the actions of Israel’s government is despicable, regardless of their religion, in the same way that anyone supporting Hamas’ actions is equally despicable. We should all call out these horrendous actions at every opportunity, but expecting one particular group to take the lead on that isn’t right in my opinion. |
I agree. Our government and all governments should be doing far more to condemn and ostracise Israel's government, but to demand non-Israeli Jews take action is unfair. However, anybody actively supporting Israel's actions is contemptible, in my opinion.
Also, the Israeli electorate bear some responsibility for the actions carried out in their name, and for their apparent lack of action to remedy the war crimes carried out by their monstrous government and armed forces. | |
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| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 23:43 - Aug 1 with 1531 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 19:08 - Aug 1 by Swansea_Blue |
It can be helpful for community leaders to condemn and distance the wider community from atrocities carried out in the name of their community/faith though, no? It must help diffuse tensions and most people would realise such leaders or the community as a whole aren’t responsible. The condemnation by UK Muslim leaders of the Hamas attacks on 7th October seemed welcome at the time, for example - https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/e |
What GB repeatedly fails to acknowledge here is that Judaism globally is uniquely linked to one country which Islam is not. It is all part of muddying the waters.
This article from before the latest round of conflict seems particularly pertinent in this light....
https://www.theguardian.com/wo |  |
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| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 08:21 - Aug 2 with 1348 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 22:38 - Aug 1 by NthQldITFC |
I agree. Our government and all governments should be doing far more to condemn and ostracise Israel's government, but to demand non-Israeli Jews take action is unfair. However, anybody actively supporting Israel's actions is contemptible, in my opinion.
Also, the Israeli electorate bear some responsibility for the actions carried out in their name, and for their apparent lack of action to remedy the war crimes carried out by their monstrous government and armed forces. |
Using your logic, the Israeli electorate will bear the same responsibility as those who re elected the Blair government in 2005, just two years after 200,000 innocent civilians were killed in his illegal war in Iraq. Thankfully, the latest polls suggest that the Israeli electorate won’t do that.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel
And for those who don’t know, Netanyahu hasn’t won a majority fur several years and is only kept in power by a coalition with extremism’s and terrorist supporters.
And there have been many anti war protests by Israelis since October 7.
“ On 9 November 2023, Israeli police arrested former MK Mohammad Barakeh in Nazareth for attempting to organize an anti-war protest.[58][59] In an interview with Time Magazine, Barakeh described Israel's crackdowns on free speech as fascist.[60] Israeli anti-Zionists reported hostility, threats from far-right groups, police brutality, and being perceived as "traitors".[61]
On 18 November 2023, Israel held its first permitted anti-war protest in Tel Aviv.[62] Two activists in Haifa were arrested for quietly protesting against the war.[63] On 27 December, protesters from northern Israeli border towns protested in Tel Aviv, demanding to know when they would be allowed to return home.[64] On 17 January 2024, a peaceful anti-war protest in Tel Aviv was broken up by police for "harming the feelings of the public".[65] Palestinian and Jewish Israelis held a protest calling for the end of the war on 20 January 2024.[66] One protester stated, "The government and the police in particular have done everything in their power to prevent [Jews and Arabs] from coming together."[67] The protest was allowed after the organizers took it all the way to the Supreme Court.[68]
Oren Ziv, a journalist for +972 Magazine, posted a video on social media showing police confiscating an anti-war banner on 27 January 2024 that stated "stop the genocide".[69] On 14 February, protesters demonstrated outside Israel's Defence Ministry, calling for a ceasefire and the protection of children in Rafah.[70] On 29 February, activists from Standing Together held up bags of flour in protest of the Al-Rashid massacre, stating, "In Gaza today more than a hundred people were killed in line for flour and food. The war and the killing of hungry and innocent people do not bring us security, they only give birth to more pain".[71] On 1 March, protesters in Kafr Kanna called for an end to the war, to Israel's attacks on Palestinians, and to Israel's planned invasion of Rafah.[72] On 9 March, protesters in Umm al-Fahm demonstrated in opposition to the war.[73] Protesters paraglided over Netanyahu's home on 25 March, carrying slogans accusing him for not taking responsibility for the 7 October attack.[74]
Five members of the Free Jerusalem movement were reportedly arrested for "protesting against the criminal attack on Gaza".[75] In May 2024, six anti-war protesters were forcibly arrested during a Palestinian solidarity demonstration in Haifa.[76] In June 2024, Israeli police arrested at least three antiwar demonstrators protesting against the Nuseirat refugee camp massacre.[77][78]
In April 2025, thousands of Israelis held anti-war demonstrations in Tel Aviv against Israel's actions against Palestinians and holding pictures of Palestinian children who had been killed by Israel.[79]”
Edit. And to highlight the hypocrisy. Across the world, including a firebombing in Toronto last night, many Jewish shops and business have been attacked because of the actions of the Israeli state. Despite no connection to Israel.Russia invaded Ukraine, flattened cities, took their children and bought them up as Russian, a feature of genocide. And yet you can have a Russian shop in a London and, quite rightly, not be attacked or protested outside of.
https://dachashop.co.uk/?route
It appears only Jews are held responsible for the actions of a foreign government. [Post edited 2 Aug 8:51]
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| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 10:44 - Aug 2 with 1159 views | eirannach_gorm |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 08:21 - Aug 2 by GlasgowBlue |
Using your logic, the Israeli electorate will bear the same responsibility as those who re elected the Blair government in 2005, just two years after 200,000 innocent civilians were killed in his illegal war in Iraq. Thankfully, the latest polls suggest that the Israeli electorate won’t do that.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel
And for those who don’t know, Netanyahu hasn’t won a majority fur several years and is only kept in power by a coalition with extremism’s and terrorist supporters.
And there have been many anti war protests by Israelis since October 7.
“ On 9 November 2023, Israeli police arrested former MK Mohammad Barakeh in Nazareth for attempting to organize an anti-war protest.[58][59] In an interview with Time Magazine, Barakeh described Israel's crackdowns on free speech as fascist.[60] Israeli anti-Zionists reported hostility, threats from far-right groups, police brutality, and being perceived as "traitors".[61]
On 18 November 2023, Israel held its first permitted anti-war protest in Tel Aviv.[62] Two activists in Haifa were arrested for quietly protesting against the war.[63] On 27 December, protesters from northern Israeli border towns protested in Tel Aviv, demanding to know when they would be allowed to return home.[64] On 17 January 2024, a peaceful anti-war protest in Tel Aviv was broken up by police for "harming the feelings of the public".[65] Palestinian and Jewish Israelis held a protest calling for the end of the war on 20 January 2024.[66] One protester stated, "The government and the police in particular have done everything in their power to prevent [Jews and Arabs] from coming together."[67] The protest was allowed after the organizers took it all the way to the Supreme Court.[68]
Oren Ziv, a journalist for +972 Magazine, posted a video on social media showing police confiscating an anti-war banner on 27 January 2024 that stated "stop the genocide".[69] On 14 February, protesters demonstrated outside Israel's Defence Ministry, calling for a ceasefire and the protection of children in Rafah.[70] On 29 February, activists from Standing Together held up bags of flour in protest of the Al-Rashid massacre, stating, "In Gaza today more than a hundred people were killed in line for flour and food. The war and the killing of hungry and innocent people do not bring us security, they only give birth to more pain".[71] On 1 March, protesters in Kafr Kanna called for an end to the war, to Israel's attacks on Palestinians, and to Israel's planned invasion of Rafah.[72] On 9 March, protesters in Umm al-Fahm demonstrated in opposition to the war.[73] Protesters paraglided over Netanyahu's home on 25 March, carrying slogans accusing him for not taking responsibility for the 7 October attack.[74]
Five members of the Free Jerusalem movement were reportedly arrested for "protesting against the criminal attack on Gaza".[75] In May 2024, six anti-war protesters were forcibly arrested during a Palestinian solidarity demonstration in Haifa.[76] In June 2024, Israeli police arrested at least three antiwar demonstrators protesting against the Nuseirat refugee camp massacre.[77][78]
In April 2025, thousands of Israelis held anti-war demonstrations in Tel Aviv against Israel's actions against Palestinians and holding pictures of Palestinian children who had been killed by Israel.[79]”
Edit. And to highlight the hypocrisy. Across the world, including a firebombing in Toronto last night, many Jewish shops and business have been attacked because of the actions of the Israeli state. Despite no connection to Israel.Russia invaded Ukraine, flattened cities, took their children and bought them up as Russian, a feature of genocide. And yet you can have a Russian shop in a London and, quite rightly, not be attacked or protested outside of.
https://dachashop.co.uk/?route
It appears only Jews are held responsible for the actions of a foreign government. [Post edited 2 Aug 8:51]
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So, after a long deflection post, what is your views on Jews being held responsible for Israels oppression of and attempted genocide of the Palastinians? My opinion is that it is unfair but a natural response by reasonable people around the world. Israels behaviour encourages the genuine antisemites globally. There is absolutely no defence for the Israeli population who allow this situation to continue and any listing of a few miserable protests is an insult to our intelligence. Netanyahu and the extremists were democratically elected by Israelis who are predominantly Jewish. | | | |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 11:24 - Aug 2 with 1099 views | eireblue |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 10:44 - Aug 2 by eirannach_gorm |
So, after a long deflection post, what is your views on Jews being held responsible for Israels oppression of and attempted genocide of the Palastinians? My opinion is that it is unfair but a natural response by reasonable people around the world. Israels behaviour encourages the genuine antisemites globally. There is absolutely no defence for the Israeli population who allow this situation to continue and any listing of a few miserable protests is an insult to our intelligence. Netanyahu and the extremists were democratically elected by Israelis who are predominantly Jewish. |
When I was growing up in the UK, and my accent wasn’t obviously from Suffolk, I didn’t much enjoy being compared to Irish terrorists. Or on occasion being spat at. My first real job in the UK came about after I was considering taking my case to the Campaign for Racial Equality that was taking UK government to court for discrimination against people like myself. When I got that job, I was still summoned to the boss, to be told they were worried about my “divided” loyalty.
I also always remember a teacher telling a bunch of National Front campaigners to get away from the school, and saying what they could do with their leaflets. They weren’t keen on Irish people, it was before it was cool. Strangely enough a person I had been at a previous Catholic school, and who brought presents back from the Popes visit was a member of the NF.
Anyhoo, “a natural response of reasonable people”
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| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 11:48 - Aug 2 with 1065 views | Ryorry |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 17:10 - Aug 1 by SouthBucksBlue |
I don’t see it as victim blaming.
I see it as a pertinent question when an vile extremist regime continues to invade and steal other peoples land, bulldozes their homes and builds their own because the bible says it’s okay and international law doesn’t apply.
Factor in the continuing killings in Gaza during the ceasefire which are largely unreported and for good measure the delightful IDF tactic of following up their attacks to get the first responders as well.
Why isn’t this behaviour being condemned by wider Jewry do you think? |
Because we are not Israelis.
Though many of us do condemn their current government anyway. But we have no traction.
Edit: removed swear word which made it look like I was condemning all Israelis , which I don’t - only those who enable Netanyahu’s govt.
Further edit: I’ll add also that maybe some Jewish individuals around the world don’t want to call out & condemn the Netanyahu regime precisely because they fear antisemitic repercussion/s, so don’t want to expose themselves as being Jewish. [Post edited 2 Aug 12:19]
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