| Leno, Lammens and now 16:59 - Sep 6 with 1945 views | berkstractorboy |
Martinez beaten near post this weekend, other PL keepers do concede at the near post as well. |  | | |  |
| Leno, Lammens and now on 22:41 - Sep 6 with 353 views | Simonds92 |
| Leno, Lammens and now on 21:54 - Sep 6 by unstableblue |
Exactly. Isak is a £125m striker.
He absolutely leathered that ball, it was flying, Scherpen did get a hand to it, but you can see by the speed it deflected off his arm/hand that the ball was struck with remarkable pace. Unstoppable.
Are people confused because they saw it in slow mo?
Second goal he came out before he realised the defender could get across and then he was caught in no man’s land. A definite error. To which he immediately put his hands up to apologise.
Back the guy for Gods sake. |
Some of the straw clutching on here is mental and people bending over backwards to defend 2 clear mistakes is going to make things a whole lot worse long term. Next mistake, each side is going to be even more polarised.
So far I've read that someone struggles to see the ball when watching live games so it must be really difficult for a goalkeeper too when someone kicks it hard. Having been behind the goal and seen the pace he struck it at, I felt very much at the time the keeper definitely should have saved it. The replays confirm that and actually emphasise how poor it was.
I think your argument is that because Liverpool paid £125m for him, he is able to kick the ball harder than an average Premier League footballer... insane. (He's been playing like a £1m striker for the last 12 months btw).
On the first goal, Isak's touch is poor, pushing him away from goal and shutting down the angle, so the only place he can shoot is near post. No way that should go in, it was poor goalkeeping.
The second one is probably worse, Greaves has stood Isak up and he can't score from that position if Scherpen hadn't gone walkabout. No need for him to be out there.
I don't want him to fail, I'm desperate for him to improve and be a success. I certainly won't groan at him or anything during games but bending over backwards to defend him, when he cost us the game, is not necessary. | | | |
| Leno, Lammens and now on 22:46 - Sep 6 with 333 views | berkstractorboy |
| Leno, Lammens and now on 22:39 - Sep 6 by FrimleyBlue |
Martinez's 'mistake' was worse than ours. |
Because the ball travelled further between players boot and the goal?
Martinez was moving right as 9 times out of 10 the shot is curled to the far post, top bins would be the target. Kind of clever from Havertz if you can get the shot pinpoint perfect in the near post as the keeper is off balance and very hard to then dive back on yourself. In the end it was executed perfectly.
For once, maybe we could put it down to Havertz skill rather than a GK error? Would be nice to see pundits do this rather than always blaming someone (not saying you are blaming Martinez here Frimmers) | | | |
| Leno, Lammens and now on 23:52 - Sep 6 with 278 views | unstableblue |
| Leno, Lammens and now on 22:41 - Sep 6 by Simonds92 |
Some of the straw clutching on here is mental and people bending over backwards to defend 2 clear mistakes is going to make things a whole lot worse long term. Next mistake, each side is going to be even more polarised.
So far I've read that someone struggles to see the ball when watching live games so it must be really difficult for a goalkeeper too when someone kicks it hard. Having been behind the goal and seen the pace he struck it at, I felt very much at the time the keeper definitely should have saved it. The replays confirm that and actually emphasise how poor it was.
I think your argument is that because Liverpool paid £125m for him, he is able to kick the ball harder than an average Premier League footballer... insane. (He's been playing like a £1m striker for the last 12 months btw).
On the first goal, Isak's touch is poor, pushing him away from goal and shutting down the angle, so the only place he can shoot is near post. No way that should go in, it was poor goalkeeping.
The second one is probably worse, Greaves has stood Isak up and he can't score from that position if Scherpen hadn't gone walkabout. No need for him to be out there.
I don't want him to fail, I'm desperate for him to improve and be a success. I certainly won't groan at him or anything during games but bending over backwards to defend him, when he cost us the game, is not necessary. |
Straw clutching is a bit of a weird take on my post?
Firstly I completely agree the second goals was a bad error, and wasn’t ‘bending over backwards’ to defend Scherpen when I wrote:
“Second goal he came out before he realised the defender could get across and then he was caught in no man’s land. A definite error.”
Secondly, my opinion which I think is completely valid - having seen the shot live and seen replays - is that it was a very hard struck shot, and hence very difficult to stop. Yes Scherpen could have done better, and could have saved it - but you’re suggesting it’s a serious error, which is harsh. And to suggest that Isak isn’t one of the top strikers in the a premier league who can generate that power seems a bit strange.
Let’s take some sports journalists views:
Sky - “A blistering finish from Alexander Isak!”
Guardian - “it’d have been a fine save had he managed to stop that fierce drive.”
Telegraph - “so hard from 16 yards, on an angle, it bent the wrists of Kjell Scherpen as it howled into the net.”
Times - “Scherpen ... should have been stronger to his left but the speed of Isak's shot was too much for the Ipswich goalkeeper.”
The BBC is the harshest on Scherpen - “thrashing a right-foot shot that carried too much power for Ipswich Town keeper Kjell Scherpen, who had to do much better than divert the striker's effort into the net.”
So the answer is quite simple, blistering shot, hard to save, keeper could have perhaps done better. It isn’t that it was a howler or serious error. Unlike the second goal.
And finally seeing a strike towards goal from behind the goal, is surely the worst location to judge its pace?? |  |
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| Leno, Lammens and now on 11:42 - Sep 7 with 185 views | ThatMuhrenCross |
The "shouldn't be beaten at the near post" thing is so antiquated. Of course you can be beaten at the near post if it's hit hard enough, at a difficult height and with a load of "swaz" on it - which Isak's shot was.
Could he have done better? Maybe.
Was it a goalkeeping howler? Absolutely not.
I do think he'll be a little disappointed with his positioning on the second one, but to be fair, Greaves should have dealt with it and Isak should never have been allowed to turn him inside out like he did. No wonder Scherpen was caught out. |  |
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| Leno, Lammens and now on 13:57 - Sep 7 with 153 views | Simonds92 |
| Leno, Lammens and now on 23:52 - Sep 6 by unstableblue |
Straw clutching is a bit of a weird take on my post?
Firstly I completely agree the second goals was a bad error, and wasn’t ‘bending over backwards’ to defend Scherpen when I wrote:
“Second goal he came out before he realised the defender could get across and then he was caught in no man’s land. A definite error.”
Secondly, my opinion which I think is completely valid - having seen the shot live and seen replays - is that it was a very hard struck shot, and hence very difficult to stop. Yes Scherpen could have done better, and could have saved it - but you’re suggesting it’s a serious error, which is harsh. And to suggest that Isak isn’t one of the top strikers in the a premier league who can generate that power seems a bit strange.
Let’s take some sports journalists views:
Sky - “A blistering finish from Alexander Isak!”
Guardian - “it’d have been a fine save had he managed to stop that fierce drive.”
Telegraph - “so hard from 16 yards, on an angle, it bent the wrists of Kjell Scherpen as it howled into the net.”
Times - “Scherpen ... should have been stronger to his left but the speed of Isak's shot was too much for the Ipswich goalkeeper.”
The BBC is the harshest on Scherpen - “thrashing a right-foot shot that carried too much power for Ipswich Town keeper Kjell Scherpen, who had to do much better than divert the striker's effort into the net.”
So the answer is quite simple, blistering shot, hard to save, keeper could have perhaps done better. It isn’t that it was a howler or serious error. Unlike the second goal.
And finally seeing a strike towards goal from behind the goal, is surely the worst location to judge its pace?? |
There's a number of posts clutching at straws, its just your mention that Isak is £125m player as if it's in any way relevant to that isolated situation was particularly wild.
I haven't got time to review every write up of the game, but interesting you mention Sky. This is taken directly from their post match report:
"However, Isak, who had scored a hat-trick on his last visit to Portman Road with Newcastle, came to the party and took advantage of some lacklustre goalkeeping from Kjell Scherpen.
His first went through the palms of Scherpen on six minutes before the goalkeeper went walkabout from a long ball minutes later and was beaten by a low finish by Isak.
....The key moments from Portman Road:
6: GOAL! Isak receives a quality pass into his stride from Gakpo and powers a strike past the weak wrists of Scherpen.
9: GOAL! With Ipswich still reeling, Isak finds a way in behind down the left before sliding a neat finish past Scherpen, who once again didn't get his angles right.
... Is the Ipswich goalkeeper position cursed?
Analysis from Sky Sports' Lewis Jones:
There must be something in the water at Ipswich.
Because their goalkeeper position appears to have become cursed.
The last time the Tractor Boys were promoted, Arijanet Muric arrived from Burnley as the man trusted to be their No.1. What followed was a season littered with costly mistakes at precisely the wrong moments.
Fast-forward to this season and Ipswich have changed the man between the sticks again, but seemingly not the script.
Kjell Scherpen was brought in from Belgian Pro League side Union Saint-Gilloise with the hope that a fresh face would provide some much-needed stability at the top level.
Instead, his first-half performance against Liverpool suggested the curse may be real.
Scherpen was at fault for both of Liverpool's first-half goals, with Isak the grateful beneficiary on each occasion.
Goalkeeping errors are magnified at this level because margins are so thin. A team can spend 45 minutes competing well, executing its game plan and frustrating a superior opponent - only for one moment of indecision to undo all that work. That happened here.
Ipswich need Scherpen to settle quickly because they cannot afford to be fighting two battles: one against the opposition and another against their own goalkeeper.
But after Muric's struggles and now Scherpen's nightmare against Liverpool, you could forgive Ipswich supporters for wondering whether the No 1 shirt comes with a curse attached." | | | |
| Leno, Lammens and now on 14:59 - Sep 7 with 116 views | billlm |
| Leno, Lammens and now on 18:42 - Sep 6 by hoppy |
Yeah, I think the second one was worse for positioning, as he’d come too far out and caught in no man’s land once the defence had been turned. |
That and his penty stance at United dear oh dear, |  | | |
| Leno, Lammens and now on 15:55 - Sep 7 with 91 views | hype313 |
| Leno, Lammens and now on 21:06 - Sep 6 by Vic |
Jas - have you played in goal? |
I played in Goal for years, the near post shots are a nightmare because you are fully expecting them to shoot to the other corner, which is why Keepers get caught at the near post, add the fact that Isak hit an absolute thunderbolt, I'd have money on Incredible Hulk not saving that. |  |
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| Leno, Lammens and now on 16:56 - Sep 7 with 66 views | Vic |
| Leno, Lammens and now on 15:55 - Sep 7 by hype313 |
I played in Goal for years, the near post shots are a nightmare because you are fully expecting them to shoot to the other corner, which is why Keepers get caught at the near post, add the fact that Isak hit an absolute thunderbolt, I'd have money on Incredible Hulk not saving that. |
Yep, me too and I totally agree.
We talk as if it;s a crime for a GK to make a marginal mistake - but they all do it. Why some feel the need to dig Sherpen out so soon is beyond me. One biggish positioning blunder and a couple of smaller things is all it's been. Those that say - 'yeah, but he did it pre-season as well' - but how many goals did it cost.
Anyone here remember Bruce Grobbelar? Played for Liverpool is some of their glory years - but was sometimes as shakey as anything. They stuck with him. David James anyone? or Peter Shilton? I know i'm going back a few years but these were around in the days when Englished based GK were considered the best in the world. They all made mistakes.
Let's give our young guys a bit of breathing space and make PR a place where players feel comfortable as they grow into the Prem. |  |
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