| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years 23:29 - Oct 2 with 2658 views | Kievthegreat |
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Sentence increases because it had a terrorism connection. What a way to waste the start of your retirement getting radicalised against clean air. |  | | |  |
| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 23:33 - Oct 2 with 1877 views | Zx1988 |
Is this the same sort of judgment as with the Elbit group, where the jury is required to rule on a 'vanilla' charge and, once the verdict has been delivered, the judge can unilaterally decide to 'upgrade' the conviction to a terror-related version?
If it is, even though I entirely disagree with the chap's actions, that is wrong on so many levels. [Post edited 3 Oct 9:28]
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| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 23:39 - Oct 2 with 1847 views | Kievthegreat |
| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 23:33 - Oct 2 by Zx1988 |
Is this the same sort of judgment as with the Elbit group, where the jury is required to rule on a 'vanilla' charge and, once the verdict has been delivered, the judge can unilaterally decide to 'upgrade' the conviction to a terror-related version?
If it is, even though I entirely disagree with the chap's actions, that is wrong on so many levels. [Post edited 3 Oct 9:28]
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He was found guilty of "causing an explosion likely to endanger life" and it has always been handled by the Counter Terrorism Police.
Also sentenced to 3 years for 3 counts of possession of a prohibited weapon and had other bomb making materials at home.
I don't think there's really a "vanilla" version of planting and detonating bombs in public spaces. | | | |
| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 00:48 - Oct 3 with 1671 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Released on a Friday, just saying! |  |
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| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 08:26 - Oct 3 with 1441 views | Ryorry |
| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 23:39 - Oct 2 by Kievthegreat |
He was found guilty of "causing an explosion likely to endanger life" and it has always been handled by the Counter Terrorism Police.
Also sentenced to 3 years for 3 counts of possession of a prohibited weapon and had other bomb making materials at home.
I don't think there's really a "vanilla" version of planting and detonating bombs in public spaces. |
No one died though, and 15 years is what’s often handed out for murder. Yes he was reckless and stupid, but there was no intention to kill by him. I was amazed at the length of his sentence - maybe handed out as a deterrent to others?
Am guessing his lawyers have suggested he appeals at the length of the jail term. [Post edited 3 Oct 8:35]
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| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 08:40 - Oct 3 with 1376 views | MattinLondon |
| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 08:26 - Oct 3 by Ryorry |
No one died though, and 15 years is what’s often handed out for murder. Yes he was reckless and stupid, but there was no intention to kill by him. I was amazed at the length of his sentence - maybe handed out as a deterrent to others?
Am guessing his lawyers have suggested he appeals at the length of the jail term. [Post edited 3 Oct 8:35]
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He detonated his device at 18:45 on a busy street - it’s a minor miracle no one was seriously injured or killed. Stating that no one was killed is a pretty low bar to saying that he was harshly treated.
The courts are going to be harsh with terrorist acts - they simply have to be.
He could well have smashed the camera up with a cricket bat and the Daily Mail would have proclaimed him as a hero.
He didn’t, he used an explosive device. He got what he deserved. |  | | |
| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 08:51 - Oct 3 with 1370 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 08:26 - Oct 3 by Ryorry |
No one died though, and 15 years is what’s often handed out for murder. Yes he was reckless and stupid, but there was no intention to kill by him. I was amazed at the length of his sentence - maybe handed out as a deterrent to others?
Am guessing his lawyers have suggested he appeals at the length of the jail term. [Post edited 3 Oct 8:35]
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15 years for planning, building, planting and detonating a bomb in public in a busy city. Reckless and silly? Just a bit. Didn't intend to kill anyone? He planned, built, planted and detonated a bomb in public, I don't think that's his right to say as a defence. Deterrent to others? Detterent to other people who are planning to build plant and detonate bombs in cities, well you'd hope so, but would it matter as much as long as those bombers 'weren't trying to kill'?
15 years for a bomber sounds about right I'd say. |  | | |
| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 09:01 - Oct 3 with 1343 views | Mullet |
| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 08:40 - Oct 3 by MattinLondon |
He detonated his device at 18:45 on a busy street - it’s a minor miracle no one was seriously injured or killed. Stating that no one was killed is a pretty low bar to saying that he was harshly treated.
The courts are going to be harsh with terrorist acts - they simply have to be.
He could well have smashed the camera up with a cricket bat and the Daily Mail would have proclaimed him as a hero.
He didn’t, he used an explosive device. He got what he deserved. |
Quite, and the details around stun guns etc suggest he was into more than just this act alone. We need a tighter grip on domestic terrorism in this country. If only we had the funds and resources in the police force. |  |
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| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 09:02 - Oct 3 with 1351 views | BloomBlue |
A family who live near me, their 19 year son was killed in a car accident 2 years ago. The driver of the other car was drunk, 3 times over the legal limit and driving dangerously, he had only just got his licence back after previously being banned for driving while drunk. He received an 8 year sentence for killing their son.
The Legal system in this country is f**ked - 8 years for actually causing the lost of life, 15 years for potentially causing loss of life. |  | | |
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| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 09:04 - Oct 3 with 1338 views | Kievthegreat |
| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 08:26 - Oct 3 by Ryorry |
No one died though, and 15 years is what’s often handed out for murder. Yes he was reckless and stupid, but there was no intention to kill by him. I was amazed at the length of his sentence - maybe handed out as a deterrent to others?
Am guessing his lawyers have suggested he appeals at the length of the jail term. [Post edited 3 Oct 8:35]
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Some IRA bombings used to phone in bomb threats. Does that mean they had no intention of killing people? I feel like that's scant consolation for families of Omagh and Warrington bombings who died because the bombers miscommunicated the locations.
This guy was extremely lucky. He was just as incompetent as those IRA bombers because members of the public were using that street and there was no precautions taken by him. The report notes he narrowly missed exploding next to a bus and that the shrapnel damage was found 100 yards away. | | | |
| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 09:11 - Oct 3 with 1282 views | MattinLondon |
| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 09:02 - Oct 3 by BloomBlue |
A family who live near me, their 19 year son was killed in a car accident 2 years ago. The driver of the other car was drunk, 3 times over the legal limit and driving dangerously, he had only just got his licence back after previously being banned for driving while drunk. He received an 8 year sentence for killing their son.
The Legal system in this country is f**ked - 8 years for actually causing the lost of life, 15 years for potentially causing loss of life. |
The ULEZ bomber was dealt with appropriately, reckless drunk drivers tend to be treated far too leniently. Drunk drivers should be given harsher sentences. | | | |
| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 09:12 - Oct 3 with 1294 views | Ryorry |
| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 09:01 - Oct 3 by Mullet |
Quite, and the details around stun guns etc suggest he was into more than just this act alone. We need a tighter grip on domestic terrorism in this country. If only we had the funds and resources in the police force. |
Fair enough - hands up, I wasn't aware of that background.
But see also Bloomblue's post that follows yours, with which I also agree. | |
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| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 09:18 - Oct 3 with 1277 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 08:26 - Oct 3 by Ryorry |
No one died though, and 15 years is what’s often handed out for murder. Yes he was reckless and stupid, but there was no intention to kill by him. I was amazed at the length of his sentence - maybe handed out as a deterrent to others?
Am guessing his lawyers have suggested he appeals at the length of the jail term. [Post edited 3 Oct 8:35]
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Doubt that appeal would get anywhere; the maximum sentence available for this offence is life imprisonment. If anything he got a light sentence.
Not sure this guy deserves any sympathy when shrapnel from his bomb damaged cars and homes over 100 yards away including to a kids bedroom. [Post edited 3 Oct 9:29]
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| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 09:27 - Oct 3 with 1252 views | StokieBlue |
I find it quite incredible how worked up some people have been about the ULEZ. Even posters on here who don't live in London and whom it won't affect were losing their minds about it and usually based on incorrect information.
This story is just crazy.
Imagine being that worked up about something that is saving lives.
https://www.theguardian.com/en
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| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 09:36 - Oct 3 with 1196 views | Ryorry |
| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 09:27 - Oct 3 by StokieBlue |
I find it quite incredible how worked up some people have been about the ULEZ. Even posters on here who don't live in London and whom it won't affect were losing their minds about it and usually based on incorrect information.
This story is just crazy.
Imagine being that worked up about something that is saving lives.
https://www.theguardian.com/en
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Worked up? If you're referring to me I was pretty much unaware of it at all till news of the sentence broke on R4 headlines yesterday. | |
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| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 09:39 - Oct 3 with 1184 views | StokieBlue |
| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 09:36 - Oct 3 by Ryorry |
Worked up? If you're referring to me I was pretty much unaware of it at all till news of the sentence broke on R4 headlines yesterday. |
Um, why would you think I was referring to you? I don't even remember you having a view on the ULEZ when it was launched which was what I was referring to.
You need to stop looking for things that aren't there.
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| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 09:40 - Oct 3 with 1183 views | Stenvict |
| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 09:27 - Oct 3 by StokieBlue |
I find it quite incredible how worked up some people have been about the ULEZ. Even posters on here who don't live in London and whom it won't affect were losing their minds about it and usually based on incorrect information.
This story is just crazy.
Imagine being that worked up about something that is saving lives.
https://www.theguardian.com/en
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I think a lot of people think it's just an extension of the congestion charge zone, when in reality most cars are exempt, unless you have an old banger. | |
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| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 09:40 - Oct 3 with 1181 views | Zx1988 |
| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 23:39 - Oct 2 by Kievthegreat |
He was found guilty of "causing an explosion likely to endanger life" and it has always been handled by the Counter Terrorism Police.
Also sentenced to 3 years for 3 counts of possession of a prohibited weapon and had other bomb making materials at home.
I don't think there's really a "vanilla" version of planting and detonating bombs in public spaces. |
I don't disagree with you on the details; you're right - the chap's actions were textbook terrorism.
If I'm reading the article correctly, though, it's the method by which that's been determined that I find problematic.
This Guardian article gives a little more commentary:
https://www.theguardian.com/gl
If the prosecution want defendants to be tried as terrorists, with the increased sentencing and post-release conditions that come with it, it should be put to a jury. It shouldn't be for a judge to determine, once a verdict has been reached.
This case would probably have been a slam-dunk, even if the jury had been asked to determine whether it was terrorism. Elbit may have ended differently had it been left in the hands of the jury. | |
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| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 09:42 - Oct 3 with 1175 views | Ryorry |
| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 09:39 - Oct 3 by StokieBlue |
Um, why would you think I was referring to you? I don't even remember you having a view on the ULEZ when it was launched which was what I was referring to.
You need to stop looking for things that aren't there.
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"I find it quite incredible how worked up some people have been about the ULEZ. Even posters on here who don't live in London and whom it won't affect were losing their minds about it and usually based on incorrect information.
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| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 09:45 - Oct 3 with 1156 views | StokieBlue |
| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 09:42 - Oct 3 by Ryorry |
"I find it quite incredible how worked up some people have been about the ULEZ. Even posters on here who don't live in London and whom it won't affect were losing their minds about it and usually based on incorrect information.
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Yes, that's what I wrote and it's clearly in the past tense. When it was launched some posters were crazy on here, it was very strange.
If I meant you I would have responded to you. I honestly have no idea why you thought it was about you. Even quoting my post I still have no idea why you think it's about you.
To confirm: I wasn't referencing you.
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| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 09:50 - Oct 3 with 1129 views | Ryorry |
| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 09:45 - Oct 3 by StokieBlue |
Yes, that's what I wrote and it's clearly in the past tense. When it was launched some posters were crazy on here, it was very strange.
If I meant you I would have responded to you. I honestly have no idea why you thought it was about you. Even quoting my post I still have no idea why you think it's about you.
To confirm: I wasn't referencing you.
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Your post was next but one after mine, only 12 minutes (edit - 15, typo) later, and made a broad sweep referencing people who lived outside London.
Thanks for the exoneration though. [Post edited 3 Oct 9:52]
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| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 10:15 - Oct 3 with 1032 views | Guthrum |
Ironically if, as stated in some reports, he had a Smart Car, it would almost certainly have been exempt from ULEZ charges. |  |
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| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 10:34 - Oct 3 with 962 views | BlueBoots |
| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 09:50 - Oct 3 by Ryorry |
Your post was next but one after mine, only 12 minutes (edit - 15, typo) later, and made a broad sweep referencing people who lived outside London.
Thanks for the exoneration though. [Post edited 3 Oct 9:52]
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Stokie's post was about the ULEZ scheme itself, not the ULEZ bomber (and from what I recall, a pretty fair description of how it was discussed on here - there were posters from outside London demonising the scheme, although many mainly using it as an excuse to have a pop at the mayor), so I don't understand why you thought he was having a dig at you? |  |
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| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 10:48 - Oct 3 with 929 views | Kievthegreat |
| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 10:15 - Oct 3 by Guthrum |
Ironically if, as stated in some reports, he had a Smart Car, it would almost certainly have been exempt from ULEZ charges. |
I enjoyed this titbit.
I also enjoy the latest thing I've discovered which was that the camera had already been chopped down by someone else! It had already been destroyed. Absolute plonker.
"The footage then showed a man wearing a light-coloured top and dark trousers, and carrying a bag, walking out of Shuttle Close and round to Willersley Avenue, where he walked up and down for a few minutes. The ULEZ camera had already been cut down and would have been difficult to see from his initial position, but once Rees crossed the road and located the camera, he lit the fuse and placed the cylinder on the ground next to the junction box."
https://www.cps.gov.uk/nationa | | | |
| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 10:56 - Oct 3 with 906 views | Basuco |
| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 09:02 - Oct 3 by BloomBlue |
A family who live near me, their 19 year son was killed in a car accident 2 years ago. The driver of the other car was drunk, 3 times over the legal limit and driving dangerously, he had only just got his licence back after previously being banned for driving while drunk. He received an 8 year sentence for killing their son.
The Legal system in this country is f**ked - 8 years for actually causing the lost of life, 15 years for potentially causing loss of life. |
It does not appear that the bomber knew how powerful a bomb he was making, it was much too powerful for what was needed, that made it pure luck that nobody was killed or seriously injured. The fact that he did not understand the threat to life due to his actions, for me I think his sentence was lenient if anything. |  | | |
| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 11:15 - Oct 3 with 853 views | Churchman |
| ULEZ bomber gets 15 years on 09:02 - Oct 3 by BloomBlue |
A family who live near me, their 19 year son was killed in a car accident 2 years ago. The driver of the other car was drunk, 3 times over the legal limit and driving dangerously, he had only just got his licence back after previously being banned for driving while drunk. He received an 8 year sentence for killing their son.
The Legal system in this country is f**ked - 8 years for actually causing the lost of life, 15 years for potentially causing loss of life. |
As far as I’m concerned the drunk driver who killed your neighbour’s son should be in jail until the man he killed is brought back to life and the devastation he caused is reversed. In other words, he is released in a rubber bag. All paid for by him and his family. You never know, do that and the selfish and stupid might learn something about social responsibility.
As for the ULEZ bomber, what he did was catastrophically insane. It doesn’t matter about the reasons he could easily have killed any number of people. He can rot in the same cell.
It’s really easy to build a bomb. Anyone could do it and the ingredients are all out there, freely available. Controlling it and most of all detonating it is the really tricky bit. Like firearms, this sort of thing is totally off limits and the harshest punishments and deterrents should be applied. Anyone who has seen what the effects of these things actually look like will I suspect agree with me. |  | | |
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