| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms 06:16 - Oct 26 with 2621 views | ElderGrizzly |
Or is it Bolsonaro playing out the greatest hits from Jan 6th?
Given Trump’s DoJ moves over the Alaska mid-terms already, I think we have a taste of what Nov 3rd is going to bring in ‘not recognising’ a result. |  | | |  |
| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 06:22 - Oct 26 with 1962 views | ElderGrizzly |
And of course Trump’s latest statements are utterly disqualifying to hold office in any normal country
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| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 06:56 - Oct 26 with 1865 views | nrb1985 |
I'm less worried about midterm interference as I think Trump can pass it off as "well I wasn't on the ballot" so nothing to do with me.
I also think the margin of defeat in the house particularly will be so big it will be hard to "interfere" with.
More likely I think he says, look how bad the GOP does when my name isn't on the ballot and therefore I'm running again in 2028... |  | | |
| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 07:47 - Oct 26 with 1747 views | Dubtractor |
Only half followed that election, but is it correct that meta have attempted to influence it a lot? |  |
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| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 08:21 - Oct 26 with 1633 views | ZapatasMoustache |
| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 07:47 - Oct 26 by Dubtractor |
Only half followed that election, but is it correct that meta have attempted to influence it a lot? |
Well, they are claiming that their 'outage' affected candidates from across the political system, but it seems to have been very highly targeted at Lula and a few other high profile PT candidates. Similarly the shutdown of public transport by ten Bolsonarista local politicians in places where Lula was likely to pick up votes, and the power cuts/road blockages near PT-sympathetic polling stations. Overall it seems like there was a fairly concerted but last-minute attempt to influence the second round after a much longer term media and social media campaign to get Flavio in at the first attempt failed. What they hadn't counted on was an absolutely extraordinary response from civil society - the second round was won through old fashioned organising and word of mouth. Lula may not be able to govern very effectively (at the same time as the first round, Brazil elected the most right wing parliament in the western hemisphere), but he should be able to at least keep most of the social programmes and Amazon protection in place, as well as Bolsonaro senior in jail. Huge bullet dodged, and we may see the Latin American right suddenly lose a lot of their nebulous behind the scenes support if Trump gets saddled with a Dem congress next week. |  | | |
| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 08:32 - Oct 26 with 1615 views | Devereuxxx |
It's now such an obvious play from the playbook it's hardly surprising.
Only hitch might be that the Supreme Court did extend voting hours from concluding at 5pm to 7pm last minute (although Bolsonaro requested this as well). This seems to be at the heart of his challenge, and we know that institutions in Brazil are not the most bipartisan.
Unlikely to work though. But shows the sort of thing that can be used to claim an election as illegitimate. |  | | |
| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 08:36 - Oct 26 with 1593 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 07:47 - Oct 26 by Dubtractor |
Only half followed that election, but is it correct that meta have attempted to influence it a lot? |
Yes, to the point Luna is going to bring new laws in around social media actions and ownership | | | |
| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 08:37 - Oct 26 with 1592 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 08:32 - Oct 26 by Devereuxxx |
It's now such an obvious play from the playbook it's hardly surprising.
Only hitch might be that the Supreme Court did extend voting hours from concluding at 5pm to 7pm last minute (although Bolsonaro requested this as well). This seems to be at the heart of his challenge, and we know that institutions in Brazil are not the most bipartisan.
Unlikely to work though. But shows the sort of thing that can be used to claim an election as illegitimate. |
He won by 4 million votes. That’s not 2 hours of voting.
And as you say, both parties wanted it | | | |
| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 08:39 - Oct 26 with 1583 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 08:37 - Oct 26 by ElderGrizzly |
He won by 4 million votes. That’s not 2 hours of voting.
And as you say, both parties wanted it |
Also Trump advocating for Orban at the UN
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| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 09:04 - Oct 26 with 1521 views | NthQldITFC |
| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 08:21 - Oct 26 by ZapatasMoustache |
Well, they are claiming that their 'outage' affected candidates from across the political system, but it seems to have been very highly targeted at Lula and a few other high profile PT candidates. Similarly the shutdown of public transport by ten Bolsonarista local politicians in places where Lula was likely to pick up votes, and the power cuts/road blockages near PT-sympathetic polling stations. Overall it seems like there was a fairly concerted but last-minute attempt to influence the second round after a much longer term media and social media campaign to get Flavio in at the first attempt failed. What they hadn't counted on was an absolutely extraordinary response from civil society - the second round was won through old fashioned organising and word of mouth. Lula may not be able to govern very effectively (at the same time as the first round, Brazil elected the most right wing parliament in the western hemisphere), but he should be able to at least keep most of the social programmes and Amazon protection in place, as well as Bolsonaro senior in jail. Huge bullet dodged, and we may see the Latin American right suddenly lose a lot of their nebulous behind the scenes support if Trump gets saddled with a Dem congress next week. |
These Trump-inspired, right wing, anti-democratic machinations across the world should bring a deep and self-reflective shame to the supporters of and apologists for these right wing politicians.
I say 'politicians' but they're not really that are they? They're performing crooks and conmen, taking their herd for a massive bloody ride, and in doing so taking us back to the 1930s.
Once the biggest orange pig started using this shamelessly and transparently false playbook, all the other little piggies have hopped on. What a mess they've made of humanity's chances for any kind of future.
Jump off the paddle steamer folks, before it gets to the falls, jump to the left hand side and swim to the shore of social and environmental responsibility, and a chance for our children. |  |
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| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 09:19 - Oct 26 with 1496 views | BlueBadger |
| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 08:39 - Oct 26 by ElderGrizzly |
Also Trump advocating for Orban at the UN
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I enjoyed the bit where JD Vance turned up in Hungary to rally support for Orban and ended up contributing to Orban's defeat. [Post edited 26 Oct 16:42]
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| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 09:28 - Oct 26 with 1470 views | lowhouseblue |
| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 08:32 - Oct 26 by Devereuxxx |
It's now such an obvious play from the playbook it's hardly surprising.
Only hitch might be that the Supreme Court did extend voting hours from concluding at 5pm to 7pm last minute (although Bolsonaro requested this as well). This seems to be at the heart of his challenge, and we know that institutions in Brazil are not the most bipartisan.
Unlikely to work though. But shows the sort of thing that can be used to claim an election as illegitimate. |
another 52:48 result. seemingly always a simultaneously clear but divisive outcome. as we know, a history of people claiming those sorts of results are illegitimate for all sorts of varied reasons. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 10:05 - Oct 26 with 1365 views | GlasgowBlue |
Taking aside the fact that Trump is a poor loser, claims the election was stolen when it wasn’t, and will try every dirty trick in the book to keep the GOP in power, the Brazilian elections stunk of corruption. |  |
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| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 10:58 - Oct 26 with 1247 views | Guthrum |
| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 09:28 - Oct 26 by lowhouseblue |
another 52:48 result. seemingly always a simultaneously clear but divisive outcome. as we know, a history of people claiming those sorts of results are illegitimate for all sorts of varied reasons. |
Simply the mathematics of a two-party system (or yes/no referendum). 45%+ will be immovably partisan for each side, with a relatively thin, 5-10%, slice of floating voters and turnout variation. That narrow cohort will only rarely all fall one way or the other, thus giving the classic <1% to 5% margin.
Just something we aren't used to in Britain, with third and regional parties always taking a decent slice of their own (increasingly so with rising new - or newly popular - parties such as UKIP, Reform, Restore and the Greens) and referenda being still something of a democratic novelty. |  |
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| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 11:08 - Oct 26 with 1224 views | Guthrum |
| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 10:05 - Oct 26 by GlasgowBlue |
Taking aside the fact that Trump is a poor loser, claims the election was stolen when it wasn’t, and will try every dirty trick in the book to keep the GOP in power, the Brazilian elections stunk of corruption. |
Tho Brazil is, similar to the USA, deeply divided along regional-economic faultlines, plus a degree of urban versus rural and US-style evangelical religion versus others. Rich versus poor is not simple, as the ultra-rich (including environmentally destructive mining and logging interests) are backed by a cohort of the poor who are socially conservative, concerned about employment and just generally venerate wealth (same as in many other places, really). | |
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| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 11:12 - Oct 26 with 1215 views | Guthrum |
| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 08:39 - Oct 26 by ElderGrizzly |
Also Trump advocating for Orban at the UN
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Fortunately, the chances of the Rest of the World voting for a European as SG are pretty slim. | |
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| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 11:45 - Oct 26 with 1145 views | Devereuxxx |
| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 11:12 - Oct 26 by Guthrum |
Fortunately, the chances of the Rest of the World voting for a European as SG are pretty slim. |
That's a shame, as Liz Truss is now free after the launch of her well-received, balanced, and rational book assessing her time in office.
Was given 0 out of 5 stars in the Telegraph today, of all places. | | | |
| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 11:56 - Oct 26 with 1125 views | CrockerITFC |
Jesus! How did Lula win that?? Not been following the news but him winning looked improbable after the first round. What a story, he's really the king of the comebacks! |  | | |
| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 11:57 - Oct 26 with 1109 views | cressi |
Only way he gets dad out of prison. | | | |
| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 12:01 - Oct 26 with 1099 views | Guthrum |
| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 11:56 - Oct 26 by CrockerITFC |
Jesus! How did Lula win that?? Not been following the news but him winning looked improbable after the first round. What a story, he's really the king of the comebacks! |
High turnout. The prospect of Bolsonaro winning was enough to combine other factions and get waverers to the polling stations. | |
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| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 12:08 - Oct 26 with 1065 views | Bent_double |
| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 11:56 - Oct 26 by CrockerITFC |
Jesus! How did Lula win that?? Not been following the news but him winning looked improbable after the first round. What a story, he's really the king of the comebacks! |
I was convinced that Bolsonaro had that after edging the first round, maybe the 2 hour extension helped Lula more than him, who knows - but according to my Brazilian girlfriend, Bolsonaro was the one who requested it.
No doubt Bolsonaro (and Trump) will make lots of noise about it being a stolen election, but with Lula's winning margin over 4m votes it's hard to believe that the result would have gone the other way. |  |
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| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 12:39 - Oct 26 with 965 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 10:05 - Oct 26 by GlasgowBlue |
Taking aside the fact that Trump is a poor loser, claims the election was stolen when it wasn’t, and will try every dirty trick in the book to keep the GOP in power, the Brazilian elections stunk of corruption. |
Corrupt indeed
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| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 12:42 - Oct 26 with 962 views | eirannach_gorm |
| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 12:01 - Oct 26 by Guthrum |
High turnout. The prospect of Bolsonaro winning was enough to combine other factions and get waverers to the polling stations. |
The Bolsonaro side knew that a high turnout would hurt them so the tried everything to restrict voting.
https://paydayreport.com/break | | | |
| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 12:52 - Oct 26 with 916 views | Radlett_blue |
| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 08:32 - Oct 26 by Devereuxxx |
It's now such an obvious play from the playbook it's hardly surprising.
Only hitch might be that the Supreme Court did extend voting hours from concluding at 5pm to 7pm last minute (although Bolsonaro requested this as well). This seems to be at the heart of his challenge, and we know that institutions in Brazil are not the most bipartisan.
Unlikely to work though. But shows the sort of thing that can be used to claim an election as illegitimate. |
Politicians now endlessly claiming that elections that they lose were "not fair" is another blight on modern society & it enables demagogues to prosper. |  |
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| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 12:58 - Oct 26 with 888 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 12:42 - Oct 26 by eirannach_gorm |
The Bolsonaro side knew that a high turnout would hurt them so the tried everything to restrict voting.
https://paydayreport.com/break |
Yep. See the same in the USA. Large turnouts hurt the GOP too
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| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 13:00 - Oct 26 with 881 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Brazil election - Trump’s team playing out the rehearsal for the mid-terms on 12:52 - Oct 26 by Radlett_blue |
Politicians now endlessly claiming that elections that they lose were "not fair" is another blight on modern society & it enables demagogues to prosper. |
Trump asked on Alaska yesterday about why it is illegal (it’s not) and his answer was because “it wasn’t fair, it’s illegal”
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