| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment 09:06 - Nov 9 with 1862 views | hype313 |
The striker department is more of a concern for me.
Emmerson looks like a decent prospect, but is incredibly raw and it's a tough ask for him to come into a PL campaign and hit the ground running from the off.
Flemming looks like he has all the hallmarks of a solid Championship striker, hence why he has spent 4 of the last 5 seasons in that league.
And Akpom looks hungry, but not sure you'd hang your hat on him to hit double figures.
Luckily we do have goals elsewhere across the forward line and we have proved we can score goals, but yet again we have non firing strikers, something that has been our Achilles heel for a number of seasons now. |  |
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| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 09:14 - Nov 9 | Blooos |
100% agree, I like Emersonn and think he could be really good. But he's dropped off the past few games.
Flemming looks nowhere near the required level, doesnt hold the ball up and can't run.
Akpom is Akpom |  | | |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 09:24 - Nov 9 | ITFC_Essex |
Agree 100%, Emersonn has a higher ceiling but isn't a Premier League player yet, Fleming has never been a Premier League player and had a single good season in the top flight. |  |
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| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 09:28 - Nov 9 | _CliveBaker_ |
Yeah a bit short at either end. I like Emersonn and think he's made a good start in what is a very difficult ask of him really. Certainly seems to have a lot of potential, but as you say he's raw and this is really a breakthrough season for him. I'd be inclined to give Flemming a run, he's lived off scraps so far and played the equivalent of about 2 full games of league football in his time with us. Very hard to get up to the pace of the game when you're playing for 20 minutes.
Walton made a massive howler yesterday there's no doubt, and I don't think he gets in any other side at this level, the concern is he might well be the best we've got though. Scherpen didn't impress at all, and Palmer is some way off as well. Certainly does raise questions of the recruitment that we've spent £8m on a keeper who's behind Walton, because he sure as hell isn't a £10m+ keeper. |  | | |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 09:33 - Nov 9 | SomethingBlue |
I agree. People having pops at Emersonn aren't right to – he's playing more football than he should be at this point and hopefully we'll see the ultimate benefit, but we are going to need more from that position over the season. I like Flemming but he's not really a career centre forward and not quite sure he's the answer over a run of games either.
Probably need to add a starting or at least highly competitive number nine, let Chuba out on loan in January, and go with New signing/Emersonn/Flemming as our three. Difficult to get the right one in though! | |
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| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 09:37 - Nov 9 | WolfieAtTheBack |
I said last week without an experienced striker recruited in January we might be in trouble and got hung, drawn and quartered for it on here.
When i read Flemming's profile and back CV, there were huge doubts, he is at best a championship player, maybe even league one on current viewing. Very poor.
Poor signing and another one we will struggle to move on. [Post edited 9 Nov 9:47]
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| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 09:40 - Nov 9 | ITFCSG |
For the time being I would experiment playing Maeda as the 9. No harm trying.
He has played as a striker for both Celtic and the Japan National Team before.
Plus he looks much sharper at the moment than either Emersonn, Flemming or Akpom. | | | |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 09:41 - Nov 9 | TRUE_BLUE123 |
As others have said, Emersonn has a lot of potential.
What concerns me though is that he is absolutely knackered from about minute 30. |  |
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| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 09:46 - Nov 9 | thorpedo |
I'd quite like to see Enciso or Maeda as No 9 - would allow us to have Palacios, Luis and Lukic and combative midfield 3. Feel this could work well away from home. By the way I think Emersonn is a fantastic prospect, but has faded the last month after a good start. |  |
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| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 09:46 - Nov 9 | WolfieAtTheBack |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 09:40 - Nov 9 by ITFCSG |
For the time being I would experiment playing Maeda as the 9. No harm trying.
He has played as a striker for both Celtic and the Japan National Team before.
Plus he looks much sharper at the moment than either Emersonn, Flemming or Akpom. |
No a million times over.
We need to recruit a #9 who is much much taller to be able to deal with the 6 foot 5 centre halfs. | | | |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 09:55 - Nov 9 | ITFCSG |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 09:46 - Nov 9 by WolfieAtTheBack |
No a million times over.
We need to recruit a #9 who is much much taller to be able to deal with the 6 foot 5 centre halfs. |
"For the time being"
We need someone who can score now until Jan, and Maeda is probably the best option we have.
And I am not even confident if we can land a quality striker in Jan. Our recruitment in that area has been $hite since God knows when. | | | |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 09:59 - Nov 9 | homer_123 |
I've said this before.
Emersonn was not signed as our main striker but as a player that we'd want to develop.
Tammy A (from what we saw in the press) was clearly a target for us as our No.1 striker (and I suspect there were others we were in for).
Akpom is a decent and, arguably more proven at Prem/ high level than either Emersonn and Fleming.
Fleming looks decent but hard to judge as hasn't had a run.
However, again, GON is like KM. The lone striker role is more than just goals - they are being asked to do a lot for the team both in and out of possession. Right now, Emersonn seems to be the better option of the three (goals aside) for that role.
And, again, we are setup to score goals from different positions so we are not reliant on a single striker. |  |
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| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 09:59 - Nov 9 | ITFCson |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 09:40 - Nov 9 by ITFCSG |
For the time being I would experiment playing Maeda as the 9. No harm trying.
He has played as a striker for both Celtic and the Japan National Team before.
Plus he looks much sharper at the moment than either Emersonn, Flemming or Akpom. |
Enciso is also an option as the number 9 - where he also plays for the national team. But then we lose what he brings to the midfield. | | | |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 09:59 - Nov 9 | WolfieAtTheBack |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 09:55 - Nov 9 by ITFCSG |
"For the time being"
We need someone who can score now until Jan, and Maeda is probably the best option we have.
And I am not even confident if we can land a quality striker in Jan. Our recruitment in that area has been $hite since God knows when. |
That actually made me laugh, our recruitment really is not good with strikers is it.
We would need a Palacios type of level signing for the 9 in January to help us out a bit and keep us up.
We seem to have got our head round the Midfield so that's progress! | | | |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 10:01 - Nov 9 | SWLondonBlue93 |
Agree with a lot of the replies, you can see the potential in Emmerson but I doubt anyone thought he would be first-choice striker when we signed him early in the window. He looked a little frustrated yesterday, I have sympathy for him as it is a tough gig. What concerns me is Flemming isn't having much of an impact when he comes on against tired defenders, he hasn't earned a place in the starting XI. | | | |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 10:07 - Nov 9 | baxterbasics |
I was thinking this too, up until the peno. No point putting all blame on the keeper when we aren't scoring goals. |  |
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| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 10:11 - Nov 9 | homer_123 |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 10:07 - Nov 9 by baxterbasics |
I was thinking this too, up until the peno. No point putting all blame on the keeper when we aren't scoring goals. |
Again, GON, like KM, has us setup so that we score from different positions - it is not all on the striker. | |
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| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 10:13 - Nov 9 | WolfieAtTheBack |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 10:11 - Nov 9 by homer_123 |
Again, GON, like KM, has us setup so that we score from different positions - it is not all on the striker. |
Still need premier league level players in all departments regardless of which bit of the attacking role they play.
We have no premier league level #9s | | | |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 10:15 - Nov 9 | WolfieAtTheBack |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 09:33 - Nov 9 by SomethingBlue |
I agree. People having pops at Emersonn aren't right to – he's playing more football than he should be at this point and hopefully we'll see the ultimate benefit, but we are going to need more from that position over the season. I like Flemming but he's not really a career centre forward and not quite sure he's the answer over a run of games either.
Probably need to add a starting or at least highly competitive number nine, let Chuba out on loan in January, and go with New signing/Emersonn/Flemming as our three. Difficult to get the right one in though! |
Emmerson could turn out to be great but no way should he be the main striker in his first season at this level, give the lad a chance to warm up a bit. | | | |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 10:25 - Nov 9 | rickw |
I've said for a few weeks to give Flemming a start, I agree Emersonn has a higher ceiling but he isn't a start every match player at the moment, I really feel he can make an impact coming on after an hour.
I don't know if Flemming is the answer or not - we haven't seen enough of him yet, but last season he did match Delap's goals tally for us in the PL so I think he's worth a go |  |
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| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 10:28 - Nov 9 | WolfieAtTheBack |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 10:25 - Nov 9 by rickw |
I've said for a few weeks to give Flemming a start, I agree Emersonn has a higher ceiling but he isn't a start every match player at the moment, I really feel he can make an impact coming on after an hour.
I don't know if Flemming is the answer or not - we haven't seen enough of him yet, but last season he did match Delap's goals tally for us in the PL so I think he's worth a go |
Sorry, are you comparing Flemming with Delap as in they are equal as footballers and talent? | | | |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 10:41 - Nov 9 | jas0999 |
It would seem we missed out on our key targets in the summer and Flemming it would seem was a last minute way down the list purchase. I like Emmersonn but we need a striker who can score goals and his return to date isn’t great at all. | | | |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 10:51 - Nov 9 | rickw |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 10:28 - Nov 9 by WolfieAtTheBack |
Sorry, are you comparing Flemming with Delap as in they are equal as footballers and talent? |
Just equal goals | |
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| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 10:53 - Nov 9 | Dubtractor |
Emerson really struggled yesterday, his link play wasn't working at all, so many lay offs and passes went astray. |  |
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| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 10:53 - Nov 9 | hype313 |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 10:53 - Nov 9 by Dubtractor |
Emerson really struggled yesterday, his link play wasn't working at all, so many lay offs and passes went astray. |
Yep, it reminded me of George Hirst last season. | |
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| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 10:55 - Nov 9 | mellowblue |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 10:11 - Nov 9 by homer_123 |
Again, GON, like KM, has us setup so that we score from different positions - it is not all on the striker. |
Yes and it usually works given how many goals wide players or 10s usually score for us.
To facilitate this, it is a very prescripted, structured and limited role our CFs have to play, whether it is Hirst or Emersonn over the years. Basically sit on the CBs to leave space for the skilled players to operate in and try and lay the ball off and then trundle off to the pen area as the move progresses. Very frustrating for a striker who obviously wants to do other striker things like run channels or link play themselves in the hole. Haaland has to play the same role and often he is only getting a handful of touches each half, (when he is not in goal-machine mode obviously). It is not much fun to watch your expensive CF have to play in such a limited way. The Bournemouth 9 had a lot freeer role as a comparison. | | | |
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