| Cut Walton some slack 14:02 - Nov 9 with 1041 views | GreenEye |
I think he's made some fine saves this season.
We know he's not great with his feet so a hospital pass instead of playing up the line wasn't smart. |  | | |  |
| Cut Walton some slack on 14:08 - Nov 9 | FrimleyBlue |
Hospital pass?
I get you wanna defend the keeper but that was a fine pass from a defender
Walton simply had to pass the ball first time to diop without the touch or after the touch simply pass it to palacios
In no way was the passback to walton a hospital pass |  |
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| Cut Walton some slack on 14:11 - Nov 9 | Garv |
I don't think we need to go overboard on it, but he could have fairly easily punted the ball first time up the field himself. He got his decision making and timing all wrong.
Not O'Shea's best ever pass, but hospital it was not. |  |
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| Cut Walton some slack on 14:14 - Nov 9 | _CliveBaker_ |
| Cut Walton some slack on 14:08 - Nov 9 by FrimleyBlue |
Hospital pass?
I get you wanna defend the keeper but that was a fine pass from a defender
Walton simply had to pass the ball first time to diop without the touch or after the touch simply pass it to palacios
In no way was the passback to walton a hospital pass |
I don't think he should attempt either of those passes tbh. You're 5 minutes into a PL game, we'd started fairly bright, against a side bang in form, and its on his strong side. The ball from O'Shea was fine, just go long towards Emersonn, absolutely fooking ridiculous to do anything but. |  | | |
| Cut Walton some slack on 14:16 - Nov 9 | Vaughan8 |
We can definitely cut him some slack, but don't go making things up. That goal is totally on him. He had a few options, one being just kicking it upfield, and he chose to try and jink around the striker.......!
It definitely was not a hospital pass. | | | |
| Cut Walton some slack on 14:51 - Nov 9 | Illinoisblue |
| Cut Walton some slack on 14:14 - Nov 9 by _CliveBaker_ |
I don't think he should attempt either of those passes tbh. You're 5 minutes into a PL game, we'd started fairly bright, against a side bang in form, and its on his strong side. The ball from O'Shea was fine, just go long towards Emersonn, absolutely fooking ridiculous to do anything but. |
This is what’s annoying about that goal; players and especially keepers seem blindsided by the we have to play out instructions and and are incapable of making the common sense decision to go long and relieve pressure.
Walton we know is not good with his feet - I recall in L1 or championship, Plymouth at home I think - he was an accident waiting to happen.
We all see it, GON surely must. [Post edited 9 Nov 14:51]
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| Cut Walton some slack on 15:29 - Nov 9 | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Are we going to have to cut him some slack every week?
Hospital pass? That goal is 99.9% on him very clearly.
It's not just yesterday, he cost us massively last week as well, standing right behind his wall on his line and then the ball going in through his hand when it wasn't even placed in the corner. Some questionable goals conceded at City as well. That's valuable points.
The knives are out for all our other keepers when they make a mistake or don't have a very good couple of games, or Philogene most weeks, but CW gets pass after pass? He can make some saves at a good height, other than that it's just been poor. Too rooted to his line, positioning questionable, slow distribution as well.
He is also very down the list on "goals prevented" around the league by the way. |  |
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| Cut Walton some slack on 15:40 - Nov 9 | itfcsuth |
Of course we can, seems like some serious knives out.
Has made some big saves this year, has largely been pretty reliable for us. He made a silly mistake on Sunday with the ball at his feet, he'll know that himself, he won't be sitting around thinking he hasn't done anything wrong.
Fickle game football, people seem to jump on the bad moments more than the good. |  | | |
| Cut Walton some slack on 15:44 - Nov 9 | jayessess |
| Cut Walton some slack on 14:51 - Nov 9 by Illinoisblue |
This is what’s annoying about that goal; players and especially keepers seem blindsided by the we have to play out instructions and and are incapable of making the common sense decision to go long and relieve pressure.
Walton we know is not good with his feet - I recall in L1 or championship, Plymouth at home I think - he was an accident waiting to happen.
We all see it, GON surely must. [Post edited 9 Nov 14:51]
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Walton went long with 27/39 of his passes in that game. It was 19/36 against Hull. It just isn't true that he's been instructed to always play out. |  |
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| Cut Walton some slack on 15:48 - Nov 9 | HighgateBlue |
| Cut Walton some slack on 15:29 - Nov 9 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Are we going to have to cut him some slack every week?
Hospital pass? That goal is 99.9% on him very clearly.
It's not just yesterday, he cost us massively last week as well, standing right behind his wall on his line and then the ball going in through his hand when it wasn't even placed in the corner. Some questionable goals conceded at City as well. That's valuable points.
The knives are out for all our other keepers when they make a mistake or don't have a very good couple of games, or Philogene most weeks, but CW gets pass after pass? He can make some saves at a good height, other than that it's just been poor. Too rooted to his line, positioning questionable, slow distribution as well.
He is also very down the list on "goals prevented" around the league by the way. |
99.9% is generous. Even the striker seemed to put more effort into it not being a goal.
Town have not recruited a keeper specifically for the top flight who was then a success, at any time in the last half century. It would be nice if that changed.
That's not Walton's fault, and he's been OK at times, and certainly no worse than Scherpen, but we are not blessed in quality in this department like we are in quantity. |  | | |
| Cut Walton some slack on 15:49 - Nov 9 | WestStanderLaLaLa |
| Cut Walton some slack on 15:40 - Nov 9 by itfcsuth |
Of course we can, seems like some serious knives out.
Has made some big saves this year, has largely been pretty reliable for us. He made a silly mistake on Sunday with the ball at his feet, he'll know that himself, he won't be sitting around thinking he hasn't done anything wrong.
Fickle game football, people seem to jump on the bad moments more than the good. |
Unfortunately the bad outweighs the good. Only Rushworth has a worse Goal Prevented rate than Walton. |  |
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| "... simply had to pass the ball first time..." on 15:56 - Nov 9 | Dyland |
| Cut Walton some slack on 14:08 - Nov 9 by FrimleyBlue |
Hospital pass?
I get you wanna defend the keeper but that was a fine pass from a defender
Walton simply had to pass the ball first time to diop without the touch or after the touch simply pass it to palacios
In no way was the passback to walton a hospital pass |
Arf.
Whilst you are in essence, and on paper (or a computer game or whatever) correct, it just does not play out like that in reality. The best goalies in the league make similar fook ups.
Nuance. |  |
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| Cut Walton some slack on 15:56 - Nov 9 | StokieBlue |
It wasn't a hospital pass, he had an easy pass with his right foot he could have played or he could have just whacked it out or up field.
Quite a few attempts to rewrite what happened over the last 24 hours.
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| Cut Walton some slack on 15:58 - Nov 9 | Mckenna1263 |
You had me at cut Walton | | | |
| He doesn't have a right foot Stokers on 15:59 - Nov 9 | Dyland |
| Cut Walton some slack on 15:56 - Nov 9 by StokieBlue |
It wasn't a hospital pass, he had an easy pass with his right foot he could have played or he could have just whacked it out or up field.
Quite a few attempts to rewrite what happened over the last 24 hours.
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And even some of our outfield players are more one footed than Long John Silver ffs.
Yes it was Walton's fook up, but as a team we are defending like a bunch of mouldy bananas. | |
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| "... simply had to pass the ball first time..." on 16:02 - Nov 9 | FrimleyBlue |
| "... simply had to pass the ball first time..." on 15:56 - Nov 9 by Dyland |
Arf.
Whilst you are in essence, and on paper (or a computer game or whatever) correct, it just does not play out like that in reality. The best goalies in the league make similar fook ups.
Nuance. |
He did it v arsenal (they didn't score tho), he did it again last night, it's not his first time. | |
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| He doesn't have a right foot Stokers on 16:02 - Nov 9 | StokieBlue |
| He doesn't have a right foot Stokers on 15:59 - Nov 9 by Dyland |
And even some of our outfield players are more one footed than Long John Silver ffs.
Yes it was Walton's fook up, but as a team we are defending like a bunch of mouldy bananas. |
I agree the defence has been terrible but what has that got to do with the specific incident being discussed?
Both things can and in my view are true at the same time and you've agreed Walton fooked up so not sure why you're pushing back quite so much.
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| Cut Walton some slack on 16:03 - Nov 9 | grow_our_own |
| Cut Walton some slack on 14:08 - Nov 9 by FrimleyBlue |
Hospital pass?
I get you wanna defend the keeper but that was a fine pass from a defender
Walton simply had to pass the ball first time to diop without the touch or after the touch simply pass it to palacios
In no way was the passback to walton a hospital pass |
Yes this. GON annoyed me by saying Walton should have gone long "to the top line". First, because he named and shamed an individual player in public. Good managers don't do that. If you must criticise players, name the position instead. And secondly, because there were two short passes on. Lumping it long is a recipe for little possession and chaos instead of controlled attacking. We need a keeper that can beat a striker with his passing, and create 10 vs 9 outfielder situations. Not panic and go long bc his manager is going to throw him under the bus to the press if he doesn't.
Where we disagree is that even with this mistake, Walton's made fewer than Scherpen this season having played more games, so deserves to keep his place. [Post edited 9 Nov 16:07]
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| He doesn't have a right foot Stokers on 16:07 - Nov 9 | Dyland |
| He doesn't have a right foot Stokers on 16:02 - Nov 9 by StokieBlue |
I agree the defence has been terrible but what has that got to do with the specific incident being discussed?
Both things can and in my view are true at the same time and you've agreed Walton fooked up so not sure why you're pushing back quite so much.
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Because it's not "an easy pass" for him.
I agree O'Shea's ain't a hospital pass. The mistake Walton made is not to put his boot through it immediately. The irony of course being that a few groans from us nobbers in the North when he slices it out is far preferable to what happened! | |
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| Indeed on 16:08 - Nov 9 | Dyland |
| "... simply had to pass the ball first time..." on 16:02 - Nov 9 by FrimleyBlue |
He did it v arsenal (they didn't score tho), he did it again last night, it's not his first time. |
Most goalies do it, multiple times. | |
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| Cut Walton some slack on 16:10 - Nov 9 | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Cut Walton some slack on 16:03 - Nov 9 by grow_our_own |
Yes this. GON annoyed me by saying Walton should have gone long "to the top line". First, because he named and shamed an individual player in public. Good managers don't do that. If you must criticise players, name the position instead. And secondly, because there were two short passes on. Lumping it long is a recipe for little possession and chaos instead of controlled attacking. We need a keeper that can beat a striker with his passing, and create 10 vs 9 outfielder situations. Not panic and go long bc his manager is going to throw him under the bus to the press if he doesn't.
Where we disagree is that even with this mistake, Walton's made fewer than Scherpen this season having played more games, so deserves to keep his place. [Post edited 9 Nov 16:07]
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People seem to forget the order in which GON made comments about the GK situation.
In his presser after Everton, he said Scherpen and been dropped because of "form"
It was only a few weeks later he said that Walton was always the number 1. That was the public backing because it was clearly muddy waters.
Yesterday he said CW had been better in training than the other two but of the others become better they will have their opportunity.
In short, he knows we are in a mess, but it clearly falls on recruitment more than anything. Not a good position to be in for a promoted club (again). [Post edited 9 Nov 16:11]
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| Cut Walton some slack on 16:33 - Nov 9 | billlm |
| Cut Walton some slack on 14:11 - Nov 9 by Garv |
I don't think we need to go overboard on it, but he could have fairly easily punted the ball first time up the field himself. He got his decision making and timing all wrong.
Not O'Shea's best ever pass, but hospital it was not. |
Even GON is saying the second time it goes back it's straight up the park,
But not Saturday, a very poor error which shaped the game,
There was a point in the offering until that moment,
It's back to we can't score two every game to secure some points, |  | | |
| Cut Walton some slack on 16:46 - Nov 9 | backwaywhen |
| Cut Walton some slack on 15:29 - Nov 9 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Are we going to have to cut him some slack every week?
Hospital pass? That goal is 99.9% on him very clearly.
It's not just yesterday, he cost us massively last week as well, standing right behind his wall on his line and then the ball going in through his hand when it wasn't even placed in the corner. Some questionable goals conceded at City as well. That's valuable points.
The knives are out for all our other keepers when they make a mistake or don't have a very good couple of games, or Philogene most weeks, but CW gets pass after pass? He can make some saves at a good height, other than that it's just been poor. Too rooted to his line, positioning questionable, slow distribution as well.
He is also very down the list on "goals prevented" around the league by the way. |
Yawn yawn yawn doing exactly what the main post is asking you not to , state what you like about Walton’s poor performance but …….CUT HIM SOME SLACK !! | | | |
| Cut Walton some slack on 16:58 - Nov 9 | Illinoisblue |
| Cut Walton some slack on 15:44 - Nov 9 by jayessess |
Walton went long with 27/39 of his passes in that game. It was 19/36 against Hull. It just isn't true that he's been instructed to always play out. |
Ok, so he made the choice to try and be better with his feet than one of Europe’s best strikers. We can slice and dice the data forever but he cost us points at Hull and also yesterday. | |
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| Cut Walton some slack on 17:00 - Nov 9 | Exiled2Surrey |
| Cut Walton some slack on 14:51 - Nov 9 by Illinoisblue |
This is what’s annoying about that goal; players and especially keepers seem blindsided by the we have to play out instructions and and are incapable of making the common sense decision to go long and relieve pressure.
Walton we know is not good with his feet - I recall in L1 or championship, Plymouth at home I think - he was an accident waiting to happen.
We all see it, GON surely must. [Post edited 9 Nov 14:51]
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He is not Ederson, but to compare with his work in L1 when the pitch was a ploughed field in the penalty area is not a good lead indicator IMHO - he has improved since then and it is less of a stretch for him to be playing more on a much truer surface | | | |
| Cut Walton some slack on 17:15 - Nov 9 | jayessess |
| Cut Walton some slack on 16:58 - Nov 9 by Illinoisblue |
Ok, so he made the choice to try and be better with his feet than one of Europe’s best strikers. We can slice and dice the data forever but he cost us points at Hull and also yesterday. |
I was more responding to the idea that he'd been "blindsided by the we have to play out instructions and and are incapable of making the common sense decision to go long and relieve pressure", which I don't think is the case. | |
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