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Interesting that they say "Labour pledge to introduce abortion for any reason up to birth" whereas the manifesto just states that Labour plans to decriminalise abortion. Where does it say "any reason up to birth"?!?
I have a problem with this in the Labour manifesto on 20:41 - Nov 25 by BrixtonBlue
Interesting that they say "Labour pledge to introduce abortion for any reason up to birth" whereas the manifesto just states that Labour plans to decriminalise abortion. Where does it say "any reason up to birth"?!?
If it is decriminalised it implies acceptance and that the sanctions (if any) will be below the level of criminal prosecution.
I have a problem with this in the Labour manifesto on 20:52 - Nov 25 by BrixtonBlue
But where does it say "up to birth"? Do you honestly think Labour would allow abortion the day before the due date?!
If they changed the law such that it did, yes.
Where do you draw the line? The tradition was that viability was the general consensus. This has generally been moved as medicine has seen earlier and earlier viability. The clear indication here is that there would no longer be any limit.
I have a problem with this in the Labour manifesto on 20:44 - Nov 25 by Nthsuffolkblue
Do you think eugenics is acceptable too?
My argument is more one based around choice for the mother.
The very small chance that people game pregnancy in some sort of gene manufacturing is probably worth the risk to remove the stigma, shame and potential criminal charge of a woman choosing to do something with their own body.
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I have a problem with this in the Labour manifesto on 21:03 - Nov 25 with 2932 views
I have a problem with this in the Labour manifesto on 20:41 - Nov 25 by BrixtonBlue
Interesting that they say "Labour pledge to introduce abortion for any reason up to birth" whereas the manifesto just states that Labour plans to decriminalise abortion. Where does it say "any reason up to birth"?!?
Yes, that needs clarification as it could well mean something different than up until the point of birth or have significant conditions. I can’t see why they’d legalise abortions of any age without there being very tight controls that effectively prevents late-stage abortions. Why would they go down that route. It’s a weird one.
I’d go further - I’d legalise abortions up to the point of death! .
I have a problem with this in the Labour manifesto on 20:59 - Nov 25 by JakeITFC
My argument is more one based around choice for the mother.
The very small chance that people game pregnancy in some sort of gene manufacturing is probably worth the risk to remove the stigma, shame and potential criminal charge of a woman choosing to do something with their own body.
Personally, I think that choice should be pre-conception as far as possible. I understand the issue is far more nuanced.
I also accept the main part of this issue is with when you believe life begins and, yes, I am a Christian who believes that it is conception rather than birth.
I think anyone who honestly has no issue with abortion shortly before full term has a very low value on human life and rights. I also understand it is a controversial and highly emotive subject and that the article I shared deliberately sensationalises it.
I have a problem with this in the Labour manifesto on 21:04 - Nov 25 by J2BLUE
Well there were 205,295 abortions and 657,076 births.
I make that 23.8% of babies aborted. Must admit I find that a staggering number.
85k reported rapes a year in the UK and probably a lot higher I’d expect. So many factors come into the reasons for abortion. The idea of limiting it to eugenics to push an agenda as the OP has is disgusting frankly.
I have a problem with this in the Labour manifesto on 21:06 - Nov 25 by Nthsuffolkblue
Personally, I think that choice should be pre-conception as far as possible. I understand the issue is far more nuanced.
I also accept the main part of this issue is with when you believe life begins and, yes, I am a Christian who believes that it is conception rather than birth.
I think anyone who honestly has no issue with abortion shortly before full term has a very low value on human life and rights. I also understand it is a controversial and highly emotive subject and that the article I shared deliberately sensationalises it.
I have a problem with this in the Labour manifesto on 21:04 - Nov 25 by J2BLUE
Well there were 205,295 abortions and 657,076 births.
I make that 23.8% of babies aborted. Must admit I find that a staggering number.
Perhaps. On the other hand, it's better that people aren't forced into having children that they don't want/can't care for, etc.
Why that's someone else's business is beyond me. Which is why I asked whether the OP has a religious bias here.
My dad was abandoned as a baby on the streets of London, then later put into abusive foster homes which made him into a pretty sour plum later on. That is my own bias, but also something that makes me much more open to the idea of fostering and adoption. Although I will add that adoption proper doesn't really exist much these days, and it's more about people acting as halfway houses for children in care.
An actual moral problem about abortion before birth doesn't really exist for me.
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I have a problem with this in the Labour manifesto on 21:08 - Nov 25 by monytowbray
85k reported rapes a year in the UK and probably a lot higher I’d expect. So many factors come into the reasons for abortion. The idea of limiting it to eugenics to push an agenda as the OP has is disgusting frankly.
I didn't say that, though. I was replying to a post that said "any abortions".
I have a problem with this in the Labour manifesto on 21:08 - Nov 25 by monytowbray
85k reported rapes a year in the UK and probably a lot higher I’d expect. So many factors come into the reasons for abortion. The idea of limiting it to eugenics to push an agenda as the OP has is disgusting frankly.
I'm not saying I think abortion shouldn't be allowed. My position is that it makes me very uncomfortable and I don't like it*. I wouldn't dream of trying to force that opinion on anyone else though, especially women.
I have a problem with this in the Labour manifesto on 21:06 - Nov 25 by Nthsuffolkblue
Personally, I think that choice should be pre-conception as far as possible. I understand the issue is far more nuanced.
I also accept the main part of this issue is with when you believe life begins and, yes, I am a Christian who believes that it is conception rather than birth.
I think anyone who honestly has no issue with abortion shortly before full term has a very low value on human life and rights. I also understand it is a controversial and highly emotive subject and that the article I shared deliberately sensationalises it.
How many abortions take place after 24 weeks which don't present a significant threat to the life of mother or child though?
In that instance it's in keeping with much of the Christian teachings of a lesser of two evils scenario. What they're presenting is a very dishonest skewing of reality it seems. SPUC are ones for this too, albeit they are from memory openly Catholic and aggressively so in their rationale.
I have a problem with this in the Labour manifesto on 21:08 - Nov 25 by monytowbray
Do you eat meat?
I do eat meat. I put a different value on the life of an animal to that of humans. Do you put the same value? Should meat eaters be treated as culpable of murder or should the taking of human life for any reason be OK?
I have a problem with this in the Labour manifesto on 21:06 - Nov 25 by Nthsuffolkblue
Personally, I think that choice should be pre-conception as far as possible. I understand the issue is far more nuanced.
I also accept the main part of this issue is with when you believe life begins and, yes, I am a Christian who believes that it is conception rather than birth.
I think anyone who honestly has no issue with abortion shortly before full term has a very low value on human life and rights. I also understand it is a controversial and highly emotive subject and that the article I shared deliberately sensationalises it.
I think that ultimately it is nothing to do with me what somebody else decides to do in that situation, and so I find it hard to have an opinion other than allowing choice for the mother.
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