| I wonder what ME is thinking? Is it the worst of two evils? 08:10 - Feb 7 with 2406 views | Chrisd |
If we stay in L1 for another season, which based on how we've been playing and our current form is a real possibility, he'd continue to be losing money, but not perhaps to the extent of promotion especially if he sells Downes and Woolfenden to soften the blow and reduce the deficit. With L1 having it's constraints on spending, perhaps this suits ME and is the better financial option for him as an owner? Alternatively, it's promotion back to the Championship, which generates more money for the coffers. However, the whole squad would need major surgery just to make us competitive, which would mean higher wages to get better players in, letting cheaper and less effective squad players go. It's likely we'd get higher attendances, although this season we are averaging 19, 888 for home games. Last season, our average attendance was 17,765, so this is a significant improvement and probably a little unexpected based on our subsequent relegation.
Genuinely, I do wonder if he'd prefer us to remain where we are? Perhaps he can manage our debt easier in L1 especially as he appears to be losing interest by the season? The fact that I've even concocted this post and considered it, is a reflection of the lack of ambition we now have at the football club and the low expectations I now have as a supporter. |  |
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| I wonder what ME is thinking? Is it the worst of two evils? on 08:15 - Feb 7 with 2371 views | RobTheMonk |
Whatever happens I can see us losing one of/both of Downes and Wolfie in the summer. |  | | |
| I wonder what ME is thinking? Is it the worst of two evils? on 08:16 - Feb 7 with 2358 views | BackToRussia |
I'm not sure losing 7 million a year is ever good, but I know what you mean. Certainly re weekly costs those are down and attendances up, so a small boost there.
Basically, he can afford L1, and he can't afford the championship, so I'm not sure where that leaves us if we ever go up. We'll be like Norwich in the PL this year. |  |
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| I wonder what ME is thinking? Is it the worst of two evils? on 08:17 - Feb 7 with 2360 views | Chrisd |
| I wonder what ME is thinking? Is it the worst of two evils? on 08:15 - Feb 7 by RobTheMonk |
Whatever happens I can see us losing one of/both of Downes and Wolfie in the summer. |
It's inevitable. Sadly, both are too good for us. In better sides, they'd really thrive. | |
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| I wonder what ME is thinking? Is it the worst of two evils? on 08:22 - Feb 7 with 2343 views | Chrisd |
| I wonder what ME is thinking? Is it the worst of two evils? on 08:16 - Feb 7 by BackToRussia |
I'm not sure losing 7 million a year is ever good, but I know what you mean. Certainly re weekly costs those are down and attendances up, so a small boost there.
Basically, he can afford L1, and he can't afford the championship, so I'm not sure where that leaves us if we ever go up. We'll be like Norwich in the PL this year. |
If he can't afford us or the fact he appears to have lost interest, ME or his advisors need to be doing more to attract interest and sell the club. I just feel we've hit a glass ceiling with him as our owner. | |
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| I wonder what ME is thinking? Is it the worst of two evils? on 08:26 - Feb 7 with 2329 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| I wonder what ME is thinking? Is it the worst of two evils? on 08:22 - Feb 7 by Chrisd |
If he can't afford us or the fact he appears to have lost interest, ME or his advisors need to be doing more to attract interest and sell the club. I just feel we've hit a glass ceiling with him as our owner. |
Spot on. | | | |
| I wonder what ME is thinking? Is it the worst of two evils? on 08:26 - Feb 7 with 2325 views | BackToRussia |
| I wonder what ME is thinking? Is it the worst of two evils? on 08:22 - Feb 7 by Chrisd |
If he can't afford us or the fact he appears to have lost interest, ME or his advisors need to be doing more to attract interest and sell the club. I just feel we've hit a glass ceiling with him as our owner. |
Mate, I think we hit that around the time the Keane project blew up. MM was just a one man show that had nothing to do with Evans, or even Ipswich Town really. Now that's gone, we're back where we were 10 years ago. The only question now is why does he hold onto something that loses him millions a year? The only answer is pride, pride of owning a football club, even an unsuccessful one, and pride at not accepting a reasonable price for the club. Because there have been offers, as Evans himself has said. | |
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| I wonder what ME is thinking? Is it the worst of two evils? on 09:16 - Feb 7 with 2225 views | patrickswell |
| I wonder what ME is thinking? Is it the worst of two evils? on 08:22 - Feb 7 by Chrisd |
If he can't afford us or the fact he appears to have lost interest, ME or his advisors need to be doing more to attract interest and sell the club. I just feel we've hit a glass ceiling with him as our owner. |
I wish we had hit a ceiling of any kind under Evans. He’s nailing us under the floorboards, I fear. |  | | |
| I wonder what ME is thinking? Is it the worst of two evils? on 10:26 - Feb 7 with 2148 views | r2d2 |
| I wonder what ME is thinking? Is it the worst of two evils? on 08:16 - Feb 7 by BackToRussia |
I'm not sure losing 7 million a year is ever good, but I know what you mean. Certainly re weekly costs those are down and attendances up, so a small boost there.
Basically, he can afford L1, and he can't afford the championship, so I'm not sure where that leaves us if we ever go up. We'll be like Norwich in the PL this year. |
Evans poor ownership has us where we are. He has cost us. Ive no sympathy for the losses he has from the club. His cr@p knowledge of what he is doing is why we are where we are. |  | | |
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| I wonder what ME is thinking? Is it the worst of two evils? on 10:29 - Feb 7 with 2137 views | Guthrum |
If we feebly fail to gain promotion from L1, attendances will go down again, possibly lower than last season's average. Which will further reduce revenue and make things worse on the FFP front.
It also puts Evans further from getting any kind of return (or offsetting of expense, at least) on his money, either by making it into the Prem or through a lucrative sale of the club. |  |
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| I wonder what ME is thinking? Is it the worst of two evils? on 10:31 - Feb 7 with 2134 views | chicoazul |
I think ME probably spends less than 1% of his day thinking about us at all. |  |
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| I wonder what ME is thinking? Is it the worst of two evils? on 10:36 - Feb 7 with 2119 views | r2d2 |
| I wonder what ME is thinking? Is it the worst of two evils? on 10:31 - Feb 7 by chicoazul |
I think ME probably spends less than 1% of his day thinking about us at all. |
You are probably right there. I dont think he gives a hang. | | | |
| I wonder what ME is thinking? Is it the worst of two evils? on 11:08 - Feb 7 with 2099 views | Bluedandy |
You wonder what it would take for the supporter base to turn on this catastrophic owner.
Relegation from League 1 ... possibly ... to the Vanarama perhaps ... surely the Isthmian League ... who knows?
At the moment it just feels like this club is being gently medicated into the abyss by the football equivalent of Nurse Ratched from One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest. [Post edited 7 Feb 2020 11:15]
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| I wonder what ME is thinking? Is it the worst of two evils? on 11:15 - Feb 7 with 2075 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| I wonder what ME is thinking? Is it the worst of two evils? on 10:26 - Feb 7 by r2d2 |
Evans poor ownership has us where we are. He has cost us. Ive no sympathy for the losses he has from the club. His cr@p knowledge of what he is doing is why we are where we are. |
Definitely a factor but the biggest reason is really the change in finances required since he took it on.
Obviously the combination of low budget and a poor manager doesn’t end well! | | | |
| I wonder what ME is thinking? Is it the worst of two evils? on 11:23 - Feb 7 with 2061 views | Steve_M |
| I wonder what ME is thinking? Is it the worst of two evils? on 10:31 - Feb 7 by chicoazul |
I think ME probably spends less than 1% of his day thinking about us at all. |
And when he does it's: "Why did I ever buy a football club?" |  |
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| I wonder what ME is thinking? Is it the worst of two evils? on 11:29 - Feb 7 with 2046 views | Chrisd |
| I wonder what ME is thinking? Is it the worst of two evils? on 10:29 - Feb 7 by Guthrum |
If we feebly fail to gain promotion from L1, attendances will go down again, possibly lower than last season's average. Which will further reduce revenue and make things worse on the FFP front.
It also puts Evans further from getting any kind of return (or offsetting of expense, at least) on his money, either by making it into the Prem or through a lucrative sale of the club. |
He has to accept he's not going to make a return on it, swallow his pride and bite the bullet. Even with the club's debt, to make it a more attractive proposition he might have to come to some sort of agreement with new buyers. I really can't understand how he thinks doing the bare minimum and investing next to nothing is ever going to get him a return on his investment? It's only ever going one way and we're well on that journey. | |
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| I wonder what ME is thinking? Is it the worst of two evils? on 11:43 - Feb 7 with 2028 views | Radlett_blue |
| I wonder what ME is thinking? Is it the worst of two evils? on 11:23 - Feb 7 by Steve_M |
And when he does it's: "Why did I ever buy a football club?" |
Evans might enjoy owning a football club. I guess he must do, as he apparently attends plenty of games, has taken control of transfers & contracts some years ago so I think he may be more engaged than we think. I also guess he must enjoy it, or else he would swallow his pride, write off the debt, recover £15m or so and no longer have to fund annual losses. I'm sure he can well afford them, but equally he clearly doesn't want to fund the annual loss that would be required to make Town competitive in the 2nd tier. Unfortunately, Mick's tenure may have convinced him that you can be competitive in the Championship on a low budget.
The real question - now that it looks more than likely that we won't be promoted- is how much we have to reduce the wage bill for a 2nd season in Div 3 & how we do this. |  |
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| I wonder what ME is thinking? Is it the worst of two evils? on 12:16 - Feb 7 with 1997 views | patrickswell |
| I wonder what ME is thinking? Is it the worst of two evils? on 11:08 - Feb 7 by Bluedandy |
You wonder what it would take for the supporter base to turn on this catastrophic owner.
Relegation from League 1 ... possibly ... to the Vanarama perhaps ... surely the Isthmian League ... who knows?
At the moment it just feels like this club is being gently medicated into the abyss by the football equivalent of Nurse Ratched from One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest. [Post edited 7 Feb 2020 11:15]
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With Mick McCarthy as the Randle P. McMurphy figure who brought a bit of excitement, but ended up lobotomised. Then the Cheif started smothering the supporters. | | | |
| I wonder what ME is thinking? Is it the worst of two evils? on 14:55 - Feb 7 with 1874 views | RegencyBlue |
Its been twelve years of relentless decline under Evans and nothing I've seen so far this season leads me to believe things will ever change under his ownership.
His original plan, to buy the then debt at a fraction of its value, put in a few million to get promoted to the Premier League and then pay himself the debt back in full before continuing to syphon money off from the club, or sell us as a going concern, blew up spectacularly in his face. Since then no plan B has emerged.
I don't know what he is still doing at the club, maybe its an arrogance thing, he cant bear to walk away as a failure, but one thing is for sure, he is slowly killing the club. |  | | |
| I wonder what ME is thinking? Is it the worst of two evils? on 14:59 - Feb 7 with 1856 views | Guthrum |
| I wonder what ME is thinking? Is it the worst of two evils? on 11:29 - Feb 7 by Chrisd |
He has to accept he's not going to make a return on it, swallow his pride and bite the bullet. Even with the club's debt, to make it a more attractive proposition he might have to come to some sort of agreement with new buyers. I really can't understand how he thinks doing the bare minimum and investing next to nothing is ever going to get him a return on his investment? It's only ever going one way and we're well on that journey. |
Because, up until the mid 2000s, you could put in relatively modest amounts of money and have a decent tilt at promotion to the Prem. We did, about ten years before. Then the football inflation bomb went off in earnest, leaving Evans in a position where he simply couldn't keep up with cash-rich oil sheikhs, Russian oligarchs and Far East monopoly holders.
When faced with the options of spending not enough and failing, or spending more than we could afford and still failing, which is the sensible one to go for? | |
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| I wonder what ME is thinking? Is it the worst of two evils? on 15:38 - Feb 7 with 1802 views | Oxford_Blue |
In reality the extra £4m a season from revenue in the Championship means that Evans is better off. Over three years that’s £12m, which he would otherwise have to find himself.
Also, more to the point, the fans aren’t going to accept a longer stint in League One. While gates have been good this season, if we fail to get promoted (and especially if we have a bad end to the season) they will fall dramatically, and discontent will increase. Player sales will be a necessity.
Also, he will know that if he wants to sell the club - which he does - then he is going to get better offers for a club in the championship. | | | |
| I wonder what ME is thinking? Is it the worst of two evils? on 23:05 - Feb 7 with 1637 views | eddiespearitt03 |
One thing for sure. Evans does not lose sleep in what the supporters have had to watch over the previous 11 years. Yep, of course he,ll sell the best players all over again. | | | |
| I wonder what ME is thinking? Is it the worst of two evils? on 06:56 - Feb 8 with 1506 views | Oxford_Blue |
| I wonder what ME is thinking? Is it the worst of two evils? on 23:05 - Feb 7 by eddiespearitt03 |
One thing for sure. Evans does not lose sleep in what the supporters have had to watch over the previous 11 years. Yep, of course he,ll sell the best players all over again. |
It’s costing him £6m a year on average just to own the club and make up its losses.
Keeping some money from player sales isn’t unreasonable. | | | |
| I wonder what ME is thinking? Is it the worst of two evils? on 10:25 - Feb 8 with 1353 views | shefki86 |
I fear if we don’t go straight back up it may be years till we see championship football again if at all! Teams coming down will be stronger than us only making it harder year on year. We’ve seen that from dropping out of the prem all those years back! I mean look how well we did against Luton earlier in the season. We really are not in a great place, if we go up we’ll under invest and struggle with this team, if we stay in L1 we’ll underinvest even more with teams stronger than us coming down into the mix | |
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| I wonder what ME is thinking? Is it the worst of two evils? on 10:35 - Feb 8 with 1324 views | hype313 |
| I wonder what ME is thinking? Is it the worst of two evils? on 08:22 - Feb 7 by Chrisd |
If he can't afford us or the fact he appears to have lost interest, ME or his advisors need to be doing more to attract interest and sell the club. I just feel we've hit a glass ceiling with him as our owner. |
I'm under no illusion that he and his advisors have been active in trying to sell, but there are lots of other clubs in the same boat and we are not attractive to prospective buyers, no doubt Marcus would want a significant sum to offset his losses too.
In other words, he is desperate to get shot of us, but it's easier said than done. |  |
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