| Coronavirus UK: unions warn over lack of sick pay for gig economy workers on 08:13 - Mar 3 with 2319 views | Churchman |
I think it should make people nervous. Had I still been working, I could have done that with vid conferencing, surface pro, phone no problem (I frequently worked from home anyway) and would have got sick pay if I’d caught it. For many, that just isn’t an option if they are self employed or on a zero hours form of contract.
The govt should do all it can to mitigate this element of things, but I’ve no idea what will make any sort of serious difference, hoping the problem resolved itself quickly. |  | |  |
| Coronavirus UK: unions warn over lack of sick pay for gig economy workers on 08:14 - Mar 3 with 2315 views | footers |
| Coronavirus UK: unions warn over lack of sick pay for gig economy workers on 08:13 - Mar 3 by Churchman |
I think it should make people nervous. Had I still been working, I could have done that with vid conferencing, surface pro, phone no problem (I frequently worked from home anyway) and would have got sick pay if I’d caught it. For many, that just isn’t an option if they are self employed or on a zero hours form of contract.
The govt should do all it can to mitigate this element of things, but I’ve no idea what will make any sort of serious difference, hoping the problem resolved itself quickly. |
Yeah, but they love the convenience of zero-hour contracts. If only we'd had a chance to stop that practice. |  |
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| Coronavirus UK: unions warn over lack of sick pay for gig economy workers on 08:16 - Mar 3 with 2306 views | GlasgowBlue |
If the government is serious about containing or delaying the spread of Covid19 then it will have to set up emergency funding fir those who do the right thing by staying at home and not working. I’d also compensate small businesses like mine that may not be able to trade if there is a public shutdown. |  |
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| Coronavirus UK: unions warn over lack of sick pay for gig economy workers on 08:27 - Mar 3 with 2280 views | vapour_trail |
How are you planning on sourcing your bread? |  |
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| Coronavirus UK: unions warn over lack of sick pay for gig economy workers on 08:36 - Mar 3 with 2266 views | itfcjoe |
Even those on Statutory will struggle badly |  |
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| Coronavirus UK: unions warn over lack of sick pay for gig economy workers on 08:38 - Mar 3 with 2259 views | homer_123 |
Not even those with sick pay in their contracts will be covered if they self-quarantine.
Basically, businesses will have the right to chose to pay or not pay in this situation. |  |
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| Coronavirus UK: unions warn over lack of sick pay for gig economy workers on 08:41 - Mar 3 with 2249 views | Guthrum |
All the self-employed are in the same boat. |  |
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| Coronavirus UK: unions warn over lack of sick pay for gig economy workers on 08:43 - Mar 3 with 2242 views | Guthrum |
| Coronavirus UK: unions warn over lack of sick pay for gig economy workers on 08:38 - Mar 3 by homer_123 |
Not even those with sick pay in their contracts will be covered if they self-quarantine.
Basically, businesses will have the right to chose to pay or not pay in this situation. |
Mind you, if they don't pay, they won't have any staff afterwards. | |
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| Coronavirus UK: unions warn over lack of sick pay for gig economy workers on 08:46 - Mar 3 with 2241 views | Steve_M |
Presumably you can work remotely at least but, yes, can see that people like Mrs Ulla will probably face a drop in income very soon. Hopefully it does not become too big a problem for you. |  |
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| Coronavirus UK: unions warn over lack of sick pay for gig economy workers on 08:46 - Mar 3 with 2234 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Coronavirus UK: unions warn over lack of sick pay for gig economy workers on 08:43 - Mar 3 by Guthrum |
Mind you, if they don't pay, they won't have any staff afterwards. |
What’s being lost in this discussion is that if there was an emergency fund set up then people with the symptoms would self quarantine rather than going into work because they need the money.
That would help contain the virus which in turn would benefit the economy. | |
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| Coronavirus UK: unions warn over lack of sick pay for gig economy workers on 08:49 - Mar 3 with 2226 views | StokieBlue |
| Coronavirus UK: unions warn over lack of sick pay for gig economy workers on 08:38 - Mar 3 by homer_123 |
Not even those with sick pay in their contracts will be covered if they self-quarantine.
Basically, businesses will have the right to chose to pay or not pay in this situation. |
That will depend entirely on the company.
Many are saying people have to self-quarantine if they have returned from some places (or even if members of their household have).
Talk of split working being implemented as well.
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| Coronavirus UK: unions warn over lack of sick pay for gig economy workers on 08:51 - Mar 3 with 2218 views | StokieBlue |
| Coronavirus UK: unions warn over lack of sick pay for gig economy workers on 08:46 - Mar 3 by GlasgowBlue |
What’s being lost in this discussion is that if there was an emergency fund set up then people with the symptoms would self quarantine rather than going into work because they need the money.
That would help contain the virus which in turn would benefit the economy. |
That should be doable - 500,000 people on minimum wage for 2 weeks would be about 400m GBP.
You can obviously scale that up appropriately for both wages and numbers but it should be doable within the monetary framework.
Would be open to some major abuse though but not really the time to worry about that.
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| Coronavirus UK: unions warn over lack of sick pay for gig economy workers on 08:52 - Mar 3 with 2216 views | DanTheMan |
| Coronavirus UK: unions warn over lack of sick pay for gig economy workers on 08:49 - Mar 3 by StokieBlue |
That will depend entirely on the company.
Many are saying people have to self-quarantine if they have returned from some places (or even if members of their household have).
Talk of split working being implemented as well.
SB |
Supposed to be going to Italy in a couple of weeks.
My return flight has just been cancelled and apparently is getting rearranged but honestly I don't know whether to take the hit and not bother. Would be especially bad if I have to quarantine myself and my partner.
I work from home anyway so it's no big deal to me but there's no way she'd get paid. |  |
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| Coronavirus UK: unions warn over lack of sick pay for gig economy workers on 08:54 - Mar 3 with 2210 views | Churchman |
| Coronavirus UK: unions warn over lack of sick pay for gig economy workers on 08:14 - Mar 3 by footers |
Yeah, but they love the convenience of zero-hour contracts. If only we'd had a chance to stop that practice. |
Totally agree. I would stop them tomorrow. I actually worked paid by the day about 20 years ago for around six months. I was fine with it because I was deciding what to do with my future and didn’t want to commit so in reality it was my choice. For many people it’s not their choice and rubbish employers use these contracts to their advantage and screw them down. I’d at least restrict them to certain forms of employment where it suits employer and employee such as some IT contractors I worked with years ago. [Post edited 3 Mar 2020 8:56]
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| Coronavirus UK: unions warn over lack of sick pay for gig economy workers on 08:54 - Mar 3 with 2207 views | StokieBlue |
| Coronavirus UK: unions warn over lack of sick pay for gig economy workers on 08:52 - Mar 3 by DanTheMan |
Supposed to be going to Italy in a couple of weeks.
My return flight has just been cancelled and apparently is getting rearranged but honestly I don't know whether to take the hit and not bother. Would be especially bad if I have to quarantine myself and my partner.
I work from home anyway so it's no big deal to me but there's no way she'd get paid. |
It depends whereabouts in Italy and also depends on the risk adverseness of her company. The "emergency message" I got listed only regions in Northern Italy along with Iran, China, Singapore and a few others.
I think in a few weeks it may not really matter where you are going. With an incubation period of 14+ days it's likely everywhere anyway and we only find out about it 20 days later (14 days + 6 for testing).
They really need a faster test.
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| Coronavirus UK: unions warn over lack of sick pay for gig economy workers on 08:58 - Mar 3 with 2197 views | DanTheMan |
| Coronavirus UK: unions warn over lack of sick pay for gig economy workers on 08:54 - Mar 3 by StokieBlue |
It depends whereabouts in Italy and also depends on the risk adverseness of her company. The "emergency message" I got listed only regions in Northern Italy along with Iran, China, Singapore and a few others.
I think in a few weeks it may not really matter where you are going. With an incubation period of 14+ days it's likely everywhere anyway and we only find out about it 20 days later (14 days + 6 for testing).
They really need a faster test.
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Rome, so quite a bit further south than the current outbreak but as you say, with the incubation period, it's very hard to know really.
Probably just going to have to be extra vigilant whilst I'm there. | |
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| Coronavirus UK: unions warn over lack of sick pay for gig economy workers on 09:00 - Mar 3 with 2189 views | Steve_M |
| Coronavirus UK: unions warn over lack of sick pay for gig economy workers on 08:49 - Mar 3 by StokieBlue |
That will depend entirely on the company.
Many are saying people have to self-quarantine if they have returned from some places (or even if members of their household have).
Talk of split working being implemented as well.
SB |
Yes, we're probably not far from implementing split working should the number of cases increase. Our Singapore office have been doing so for a few weeks, I suppose the real benefit there is making public transport less busy rather than reducing the absolute risk in an office.
One of my colleagues in London has just come back after two weeks of self-quarantine after being in Singapore. | |
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| Coronavirus UK: unions warn over lack of sick pay for gig economy workers on 09:03 - Mar 3 with 2178 views | StokieBlue |
| Coronavirus UK: unions warn over lack of sick pay for gig economy workers on 09:00 - Mar 3 by Steve_M |
Yes, we're probably not far from implementing split working should the number of cases increase. Our Singapore office have been doing so for a few weeks, I suppose the real benefit there is making public transport less busy rather than reducing the absolute risk in an office.
One of my colleagues in London has just come back after two weeks of self-quarantine after being in Singapore. |
Well I guess it would mean that not everyone in the team is infected if someone in the office has it.
Going to be common I think for those with the capability.
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| Coronavirus UK: unions warn over lack of sick pay for gig economy workers on 09:12 - Mar 3 with 2158 views | giant_stow |
| Coronavirus UK: unions warn over lack of sick pay for gig economy workers on 08:27 - Mar 3 by vapour_trail |
How are you planning on sourcing your bread? |
We'll make it out of rat's dandruff. [Post edited 3 Mar 2020 9:16]
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| Coronavirus UK: unions warn over lack of sick pay for gig economy workers on 09:16 - Mar 3 with 2140 views | Steve_M |
| Coronavirus UK: unions warn over lack of sick pay for gig economy workers on 09:03 - Mar 3 by StokieBlue |
Well I guess it would mean that not everyone in the team is infected if someone in the office has it.
Going to be common I think for those with the capability.
SB |
True, although they were doing every other day in at one point which might not work so well unless everyone is on an exact rotation. | |
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| Coronavirus UK: unions warn over lack of sick pay for gig economy workers on 09:19 - Mar 3 with 2123 views | StokieBlue |
| Coronavirus UK: unions warn over lack of sick pay for gig economy workers on 09:16 - Mar 3 by Steve_M |
True, although they were doing every other day in at one point which might not work so well unless everyone is on an exact rotation. |
Discussions are around 1 week in and then 1 week WFH.
Even that might not be enough though with the incubation period.
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| Coronavirus UK: unions warn over lack of sick pay for gig economy workers on 09:37 - Mar 3 with 2085 views | DanTheMan |
| Coronavirus UK: unions warn over lack of sick pay for gig economy workers on 09:19 - Mar 3 by StokieBlue |
Discussions are around 1 week in and then 1 week WFH.
Even that might not be enough though with the incubation period.
SB |
I know why they do this, but it does make me laugh when businesses are way more concerned with you working than you spreading a virus than could knock out the whole work force for 2 weeks.
Same to a far lesser extent with people coming in to work with colds then giving it to everyone around them because they want to show everyone what a good little worker they are. | |
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| Coronavirus UK: unions warn over lack of sick pay for gig economy workers on 09:45 - Mar 3 with 2060 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Strangely enough the financial markets have already gamed the system enough to ensure guarantees from the money tree for big business! |  |
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| Coronavirus UK: unions warn over lack of sick pay for gig economy workers on 10:04 - Mar 3 with 2020 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Coronavirus UK: unions warn over lack of sick pay for gig economy workers on 08:16 - Mar 3 by GlasgowBlue |
If the government is serious about containing or delaying the spread of Covid19 then it will have to set up emergency funding fir those who do the right thing by staying at home and not working. I’d also compensate small businesses like mine that may not be able to trade if there is a public shutdown. |
Did you hear Matt Hancock on R4 this morning. I was amazed, he spoke very well justifying his points with evidence, conceded where they'd need to listen to expert advice AND directly answered all questions. I was gobsmacked; it proves they can act like grown ups when they want to.
Sick pay for employed was mentioned and he confirmed that statutory sick covers illness and self-isolation for medical grounds. Nick Robinson briefly mentioned the gig economy, but I was a bit disappointed that he didn't challenge more on this point. It wasn't obvious to me that the Govt have any plans for the self-employed. But I think you're right; I'd have thought they'll have to at least consider it. |  |
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| Coronavirus UK: unions warn over lack of sick pay for gig economy workers on 10:04 - Mar 3 with 2022 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
A lady who kindly looks after our dog a couple of days a week has just got back from Tenerife, the next hotel to an outbreak. She's told everyone who uses her, all have asked her to stay away for a couple of weeks, so she will lose two weeks pay.
This is a massive issue for most people. But how many people would genuinely put themselves out of pocket by so much by being honest like this? I am sure many others would keep quiet, crack on and in a small percentage of cases spread the virus.
Society has never really had a solution to this sort of thing, but we live in probably the most selfish times ever in terms of personal accountability and ability to do the right thing. |  |
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