| Even in our chaotic history under Evans 11:32 - Sep 3 with 1863 views | hype313 |
I just can't see him firing a manager days out from a new season, even for him I think that would be a bridge too far.
If he does want rid, he would rather save face and wait until 10 games have passed to give him some credence to sack. |  |
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| Even in our chaotic history under Evans on 11:33 - Sep 3 with 1844 views | portmanking |
Even if the training ground is as broken/toxic as some suggest? |  | | |
| Even in our chaotic history under Evans on 11:35 - Sep 3 with 1832 views | hype313 |
| Even in our chaotic history under Evans on 11:33 - Sep 3 by portmanking |
Even if the training ground is as broken/toxic as some suggest? |
It would just look horrific and chaotic, which then would make other potential mangers think twice about the gig. | |
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| Even in our chaotic history under Evans on 11:38 - Sep 3 with 1810 views | Herbivore |
I can't see it either. It would be very un-ME like to pull the trigger this close to the start of the season. Unless something drastic has happened I'm not sure the general unhappiness would be enough for ME to do something this out of character. |  |
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| Even in our chaotic history under Evans on 11:38 - Sep 3 with 1808 views | jayessess |
| Even in our chaotic history under Evans on 11:35 - Sep 3 by hype313 |
It would just look horrific and chaotic, which then would make other potential mangers think twice about the gig. |
Other potential managers probably look at Lambert at Ipswich and think "hoo, boy, he got nearly 2 years in post, despite his appalling record" rather than "that's an odd time to sack someone". |  |
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| Even in our chaotic history under Evans on 11:51 - Sep 3 with 1739 views | Darth_Koont |
If the manager/player relationship is broken then he might.
Having said that I'm not sure this is the case yet. If the photogate incident has to be created through fake facts then you have to wonder how much of this is real. Why not use real facts? |  |
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| Even in our chaotic history under Evans on 11:58 - Sep 3 with 1719 views | itfcjoe |
Evans will wait until Cook, Cowley and Johnson are off the market before he makes his move and we've stumbled to 10th place after 8 games
Considering the pay off is evidenced as a reason to keep him, he's wasted 6 months wages paying him as it is |  |
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| Even in our chaotic history under Evans on 12:01 - Sep 3 with 1701 views | hype313 |
| Even in our chaotic history under Evans on 11:58 - Sep 3 by itfcjoe |
Evans will wait until Cook, Cowley and Johnson are off the market before he makes his move and we've stumbled to 10th place after 8 games
Considering the pay off is evidenced as a reason to keep him, he's wasted 6 months wages paying him as it is |
To be honest, I doubt any of those three would be interested regardless, they have all had a taste of the higher leagues and would see us as a step down, they will all get gigs in the Championship when the inevitable sacking season starts. | |
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| Even in our chaotic history under Evans on 12:04 - Sep 3 with 1681 views | itfcjoe |
| Even in our chaotic history under Evans on 12:01 - Sep 3 by hype313 |
To be honest, I doubt any of those three would be interested regardless, they have all had a taste of the higher leagues and would see us as a step down, they will all get gigs in the Championship when the inevitable sacking season starts. |
I think we could get all of them if we went for it now | |
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| Even in our chaotic history under Evans on 12:05 - Sep 3 with 1679 views | Guthrum |
| Even in our chaotic history under Evans on 12:04 - Sep 3 by itfcjoe |
I think we could get all of them if we went for it now |
Would make for a very crowded dugout. |  |
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| Even in our chaotic history under Evans on 12:05 - Sep 3 with 1676 views | hype313 |
| Even in our chaotic history under Evans on 12:04 - Sep 3 by itfcjoe |
I think we could get all of them if we went for it now |
To be fair, given our recent history, all 3 of them together might give us a chance of some success! | |
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| Even in our chaotic history under Evans on 12:09 - Sep 3 with 1652 views | Herbivore |
| Even in our chaotic history under Evans on 11:51 - Sep 3 by Darth_Koont |
If the manager/player relationship is broken then he might.
Having said that I'm not sure this is the case yet. If the photogate incident has to be created through fake facts then you have to wonder how much of this is real. Why not use real facts? |
Some of the details had to be corrected but the essence of the story was correct. | |
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| Even in our chaotic history under Evans on 12:17 - Sep 3 with 1590 views | Darth_Koont |
| Even in our chaotic history under Evans on 12:09 - Sep 3 by Herbivore |
Some of the details had to be corrected but the essence of the story was correct. |
Yes, but that then smacks of the true story not being revealing/strong enough on its own.
I'm not denying fans and maybe some players want him out but I'm pretty sceptical about constructed narratives. | |
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| Even in our chaotic history under Evans on 12:20 - Sep 3 with 1560 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
All I say is Evans is know to sound out one manager before sacking the other, Lambert no different. |  |
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| Even in our chaotic history under Evans on 12:23 - Sep 3 with 1536 views | Herbivore |
| Even in our chaotic history under Evans on 12:17 - Sep 3 by Darth_Koont |
Yes, but that then smacks of the true story not being revealing/strong enough on its own.
I'm not denying fans and maybe some players want him out but I'm pretty sceptical about constructed narratives. |
Or it's just that the details were wrong. There are things in the now known version that, for me, are worse than the version that was reported at the time. For example, I think it's pretty shoddy that Lambert got his assistant to speak to the youngsters rather than doing so himself. When the errors were highlighted they were acknowledged and regardless of the initial errors it's still a story that doesn't reflect well on Lambert and his relationship with the players. | |
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| Even in our chaotic history under Evans on 12:33 - Sep 3 with 1493 views | Darth_Koont |
| Even in our chaotic history under Evans on 12:23 - Sep 3 by Herbivore |
Or it's just that the details were wrong. There are things in the now known version that, for me, are worse than the version that was reported at the time. For example, I think it's pretty shoddy that Lambert got his assistant to speak to the youngsters rather than doing so himself. When the errors were highlighted they were acknowledged and regardless of the initial errors it's still a story that doesn't reflect well on Lambert and his relationship with the players. |
Not convinced.
Why wouldn't the assistant speak to the players about it, especially if he has the closer working relationship with them?
Also, I don't think it's actually that big a deal until the original details made it sound awful. Once they made the decision to go with the NHS thing that was going to limit the players used where a normal photo shoot clearly wouldn't. | |
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| Even in our chaotic history under Evans on 12:37 - Sep 3 with 1460 views | Herbivore |
| Even in our chaotic history under Evans on 12:33 - Sep 3 by Darth_Koont |
Not convinced.
Why wouldn't the assistant speak to the players about it, especially if he has the closer working relationship with them?
Also, I don't think it's actually that big a deal until the original details made it sound awful. Once they made the decision to go with the NHS thing that was going to limit the players used where a normal photo shoot clearly wouldn't. |
The only original detail that made it sound worse was around where they were told, which for me is a relatively minor detail. Agree to disagree on this one, I think it's still pretty shoddy treatment of Dobra and El Miz in particular and it's not helped by the Hurst-like post hoc explanation. | |
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| Even in our chaotic history under Evans on 12:46 - Sep 3 with 1432 views | Darth_Koont |
| Even in our chaotic history under Evans on 12:37 - Sep 3 by Herbivore |
The only original detail that made it sound worse was around where they were told, which for me is a relatively minor detail. Agree to disagree on this one, I think it's still pretty shoddy treatment of Dobra and El Miz in particular and it's not helped by the Hurst-like post hoc explanation. |
Yeah, I think we see the basic story slightly differently but no worries.
And for me it's still the rather sensationalised embellishments that I find most dubious. | |
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| Even in our chaotic history under Evans on 14:09 - Sep 3 with 1327 views | ghostofescobar |
Could it be just about ME wanting to sack him though? Maybe PL has had enough and ME has had enough, so it's announced as a "mutual consent" thing? Or it could just all be a load of baloney! |  |
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| Even in our chaotic history under Evans on 14:16 - Sep 3 with 1308 views | Bent_double |
| Even in our chaotic history under Evans on 11:35 - Sep 3 by hype313 |
It would just look horrific and chaotic, which then would make other potential mangers think twice about the gig. |
It doesn't seen to have harmed Watford to have 2,3 or 4 managers in a season, er apart from last season of course!
If the rumours are true (and I hope they are), then PL has to go now, no point him starting the season, get a new guy in asap.
Maybe ME is talking with his lawyers trying to find a loophole, or just to minimise the cost of sacking PL (and backroom staff?), fully aware that PL probably has his phone ready to call his lawyers and begin litigation proceedings for unfair dismissal. |  |
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| Even in our chaotic history under Evans on 14:28 - Sep 3 with 1277 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Even in our chaotic history under Evans on 12:04 - Sep 3 by itfcjoe |
I think we could get all of them if we went for it now |
To be fair to ME, he's never shied away from doing what is needed to get the manager in who he believes (at the time, rightly or wrongly) is the best candidate.
Wasn't Mick on something like a £1m bonus to keep us up in 2012-13?
ME spent good money on Keane, PL was clearly a preferred option ready to come to replace Hurst, and Hurst was given what he asked for when he came in (new gym, pre-season to Spain instead of Ireland etc). |  |
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| Even in our chaotic history under Evans on 14:30 - Sep 3 with 1267 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Even in our chaotic history under Evans on 14:16 - Sep 3 by Bent_double |
It doesn't seen to have harmed Watford to have 2,3 or 4 managers in a season, er apart from last season of course!
If the rumours are true (and I hope they are), then PL has to go now, no point him starting the season, get a new guy in asap.
Maybe ME is talking with his lawyers trying to find a loophole, or just to minimise the cost of sacking PL (and backroom staff?), fully aware that PL probably has his phone ready to call his lawyers and begin litigation proceedings for unfair dismissal. |
Yes, but at Watford the club ethos has already been decided, and any new manager has to fit that model, not the other way round - which is why they can get through managers without it being too detrimental to the club long term... |  |
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