| What we are truly facing in the West... 12:00 - Sep 1 with 5230 views | monytowbray |
...is the start of authoritarianism. Fascism has a foothold in our nations through misinformation and the self-serving, power hungry elite who continually say “I’m just like you” radicalising those disenfranchised with the system those same elites created.
Our political and financial structures have failed us IMO. They are built to be exploited by sociopaths and psychopaths who lack any level of empathy, in fact they go even further and feel utter contempt for the common human.
What I feel people fail to realise is the class system is a cycle that we cannot break until enough people say enough is enough. Fast food is a great example of this, particularly in the USA...
Open restaurant in poor area, sell it as creating jobs
Those jobs are low paid
Because it’s low paid, the food is cheap
Because the food is cheap, the locals eat it
That money is sucked from their local economy into big business and shareholders
Those shareholders pay F’ all (if any) tax
Because no tax is paid there are minimal public resources to better oneself
Thus those in the area’s only real opportunity is to work a sh1t job for the business stealing from their community
This is the same business system that benefits Amazon, but it takes collective effort to change things. Those who can afford to eat elsewhere need to send that statement to the big businesses and show those struggling we have their back.
Meanwhile, this cycle has then been capitalised on by earlier mentioned authoritarians to say “those people who also want jobs but are less American than you are to blame for your problems”. If access to education is limited (which in many poorer areas is a no brainer) it’s easier to get those people to follow your lead.
Really, what we have is decades of disaster capitalism coming to an end very soon. It is not sustainable for most of the population. 99% of us are more likely to find ourselves staying in it dragged down into poorer sections of society whilst a 1% of people who already have considerably more money than any human ever needs get even richer.
Plus, our planet is about to face even bigger issues with climate change because that same elite who have convinced people they have their best interests at heart don’t want a better future for us, just one where they can afford to get on Elon’s rocket ship to the new society as we all die off on a doomed rock (granted this bit is a bit sci-fi dystopian, but they could easily all p1ss off to an island designed for 500 people to continue a life of luxury).
By letting these crooks dictate us and hand them more power, you are resigning your children’s future to a bleak battle of survival.
You may read this and think it’s fear mongering, but I’d challenge those same people to look at how Brexit is going and the warnings they dismissed 4 years ago.
Humanity can only survive if it realises the only thing worth valuing is the collective efforts of humanity. Capitalism is only alive as it thrives on debt, but eventually those debts will come knocking. Question is, do you want to save the broken system at your own expense with considerably less rights/freedoms or do we start again with a better, fairer model?
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| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:13 - Sep 1 with 2259 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
That's a lot of words for 'I don't like capitalism'..
...what system do you propose? Are there any countries you see with successful alternative economic models? |  | | |
| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:23 - Sep 1 with 2244 views | Griller |
I take it you are unemployed and totally unemployable as you obviously have the time to post this drivel. Sad to say that you are the perfect example of exactly what is wrong with this country at the moment. Bring back conscription! |  | | |
| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:26 - Sep 1 with 2230 views | NewcyBlue |
| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:23 - Sep 1 by Griller |
I take it you are unemployed and totally unemployable as you obviously have the time to post this drivel. Sad to say that you are the perfect example of exactly what is wrong with this country at the moment. Bring back conscription! |
What are your thoughts on this? |  |
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| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:26 - Sep 1 with 2225 views | BlueBadger |
| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:23 - Sep 1 by Griller |
I take it you are unemployed and totally unemployable as you obviously have the time to post this drivel. Sad to say that you are the perfect example of exactly what is wrong with this country at the moment. Bring back conscription! |
Well, you had time to read it and reply to it.... |  |
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| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:26 - Sep 1 with 2223 views | DanTheMan |
| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:13 - Sep 1 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
That's a lot of words for 'I don't like capitalism'..
...what system do you propose? Are there any countries you see with successful alternative economic models? |
Whilst I know this is not what Callis would be advocating, there are varying degrees of capitalism. It's not a one size fits all deal. |  |
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| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:28 - Sep 1 with 2212 views | monytowbray |
| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:23 - Sep 1 by Griller |
I take it you are unemployed and totally unemployable as you obviously have the time to post this drivel. Sad to say that you are the perfect example of exactly what is wrong with this country at the moment. Bring back conscription! |
Hahahahaha!
I like the way you had a chance to engage your brain but choose to make assumptions about who I am.
I'm perfectly employable thanks. Luckily I'm also self-employed and get to name my own price. Such as the world should be. | |
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| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:29 - Sep 1 with 2194 views | factual_blue |
| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:26 - Sep 1 by NewcyBlue |
What are your thoughts on this? |
griller thinks?
Are you sure? |  |
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| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:31 - Sep 1 with 2190 views | itfcjoe |
The system relies on people at the top having good morals, and some do.
But too many don't, and we are destroying everything in the hunt for profit. Legislation can only go so far but when it is being set by Tufton Street in this country there is so much resistance to it that it is too late before it happens, if i happens at all. |  |
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| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:32 - Sep 1 with 2182 views | NewcyBlue |
| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:23 - Sep 1 by Griller |
I take it you are unemployed and totally unemployable as you obviously have the time to post this drivel. Sad to say that you are the perfect example of exactly what is wrong with this country at the moment. Bring back conscription! |
Double post. Satellite internet. [Post edited 1 Sep 2020 13:33]
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| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:33 - Sep 1 with 2176 views | monytowbray |
| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:13 - Sep 1 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
That's a lot of words for 'I don't like capitalism'..
...what system do you propose? Are there any countries you see with successful alternative economic models? |
i don't think humanity has ever found a real long term economic model that works. Although the failure always stems from personal greed and human flaws as opposed to the model itself. Socialism and Communism fails the moment power corrupts. Capitalism thrives short term under corruption but fails when it becomes too corrupt (which is where we are heading).
Personally I thrive for anarchism but also aware until there's a massive shift of human consciousness to support each other it will never be achievable on large scale. And then if it did the question is how do you deal with people within it who lack empathy? I don't have that answer as it stands.
I certainly think the free market has failed. We are far too reliant on labour from countries where human rights are minimal in existence (if at all). For example, we are unable to put sanctions on China because we rely on their manufacturing. Thatcher has much to answer to for turning us into a service economy. | |
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| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:33 - Sep 1 with 2172 views | J2BLUE |
| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:26 - Sep 1 by NewcyBlue |
What are your thoughts on this? |
How the hell were they allowed to get that close in the first place? |  |
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| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:34 - Sep 1 with 2168 views | monytowbray |
| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:26 - Sep 1 by BlueBadger |
Well, you had time to read it and reply to it.... |
Ha! don't be silly. He didn't read it. He just saw someone suggesting he stops licking boot and had a gammon tantrum. | |
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| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:35 - Sep 1 with 2156 views | DanTheMan |
| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:26 - Sep 1 by NewcyBlue |
What are your thoughts on this? |
Imagine doing that and then getting the hump when you're asked to stop. | |
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| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:36 - Sep 1 with 2150 views | BlueBadger |
| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:29 - Sep 1 by factual_blue |
griller thinks?
Are you sure? |
If he did that, he wouldn't support Norwich. | |
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| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:36 - Sep 1 with 2148 views | monytowbray |
| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:31 - Sep 1 by itfcjoe |
The system relies on people at the top having good morals, and some do.
But too many don't, and we are destroying everything in the hunt for profit. Legislation can only go so far but when it is being set by Tufton Street in this country there is so much resistance to it that it is too late before it happens, if i happens at all. |
I'm all for compromise in an economic system as a realist. Perhaps with more freedom to choose how we engage with it. A universal basic income would be a huge step in the right direction there.
I mean, I work and I earn a good wage but I also feel like I'm being forced to function in a system not built for my generation. | |
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| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:38 - Sep 1 with 2142 views | monytowbray |
| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:33 - Sep 1 by J2BLUE |
How the hell were they allowed to get that close in the first place? |
Because as the voice of fascism gets louder, the openness and acceptance of hate becomes the new normal. | |
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| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:44 - Sep 1 with 2111 views | itfcjoe |
| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:36 - Sep 1 by monytowbray |
I'm all for compromise in an economic system as a realist. Perhaps with more freedom to choose how we engage with it. A universal basic income would be a huge step in the right direction there.
I mean, I work and I earn a good wage but I also feel like I'm being forced to function in a system not built for my generation. |
I'd personally say a relatively free market with a large state will be the best we can hope for - but that doesn't solve the bigger problems of the relatively free market and the thirst for profit.
Vurrently there are too many businesses hitting the market from Silicone Valley when all they do is act as a middle man and take all the profit out of peoples hands - Uber, Deliveroo, etc. They all (currently) make the consumer better off, but how long does that last - probably until the market is dead and they can monopolise it.
Without bringing your veganism into this, I think there is a real need for it become normal and easier for people to eat more locally produced food. Eating food that is in season and available - ironically Brexit might help with that initially until we start getting chlorinated chicken shipped over.
It really is a race to the bottom at the moment | |
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| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:45 - Sep 1 with 2107 views | Clapham_Junction |
| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:31 - Sep 1 by itfcjoe |
The system relies on people at the top having good morals, and some do.
But too many don't, and we are destroying everything in the hunt for profit. Legislation can only go so far but when it is being set by Tufton Street in this country there is so much resistance to it that it is too late before it happens, if i happens at all. |
The ultimate problem for the planet is that doing the right thing environmentally is almost always more expensive initially (for governments, companies and consumers) and is often not done as a result. The current system - even in countries with good people at the top - seems completely incapable of delivering the radical change needed to avoid crossing the threshold. Incredibly our own government (clearly not one with good people) is currently trying to relax energy standards for new buildings in London.
(I have just started reading 'The Uninhabitable Earth' by David Wallace-Wells, so am even more downbeat about this than usual. So far, it's the most depressing book I've ever read). |  | | |
| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:45 - Sep 1 with 2102 views | Swansea_Blue |
| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:38 - Sep 1 by monytowbray |
Because as the voice of fascism gets louder, the openness and acceptance of hate becomes the new normal. |
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| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:49 - Sep 1 with 2086 views | giant_stow |
| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:35 - Sep 1 by DanTheMan |
Imagine doing that and then getting the hump when you're asked to stop. |
How dare they think its ok to knock on all those doors! How would they like that? |  |
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| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:50 - Sep 1 with 2080 views | NewcyBlue |
| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:33 - Sep 1 by J2BLUE |
How the hell were they allowed to get that close in the first place? |
Scum. Absolute scum. | |
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| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:51 - Sep 1 with 2078 views | hampstead_blue |
| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:23 - Sep 1 by Griller |
I take it you are unemployed and totally unemployable as you obviously have the time to post this drivel. Sad to say that you are the perfect example of exactly what is wrong with this country at the moment. Bring back conscription! |
Conscription? Wash out your mouth and go sit on the naughty step.
The OP.
Well, I disagree.
There are lots of things I would change. Mayonnaise would be banned. Pickle and most types of salad dressing as well.
I've not the mental energy today to go too deep, but I will say that there needs to be a better way of distributing wealth downward. People who think they can bleed the state need a cold bath. Those in genuine need should be helped. Tea should be compulsory at 1100hrs every day.
Oh, cricket should be the new national religion.
Relax dear friend. We hear you and some feel for you.
Have good day. I am off to find my tramadol and breakfast blend. |  |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:57 - Sep 1 with 2051 views | jaykay |
| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:13 - Sep 1 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
That's a lot of words for 'I don't like capitalism'..
...what system do you propose? Are there any countries you see with successful alternative economic models? |
hmmmm that sounds like how g.b. would answer this post |  |
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| What we are truly facing in the West... on 14:02 - Sep 1 with 2035 views | NewcyBlue |
| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:35 - Sep 1 by DanTheMan |
Imagine doing that and then getting the hump when you're asked to stop. |
This is where my “Punch a racist” ideal would be best suited.
Not the woman. But certainly the blokes. Without them she wouldn’t set foot anywhere willingly shouting off her views.
They were apparently in Newcastle doing the same thing a few days later. If I am home and find out they are in my city doing this, I will drive there and escort them out. | |
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| What we are truly facing in the West... on 14:19 - Sep 1 with 2014 views | WeWereZombies |
| What we are truly facing in the West... on 13:26 - Sep 1 by NewcyBlue |
What are your thoughts on this? |
If this were the police and they were carrying out an operation to find migrants who are being exploited by gang bosses as part of a modern day slavery operation then I would be OK with it actually. But that is so evidently not what Britain First (sic) are doing, the 'explanation' at the end shows no concern for where the migrants may have come from, what they have endured or what would become of them if they lost their accommodation. If she was really concerned about homeless people who are United Kingdom citizens then she would be reading up on this:
https://www.bigissue.com/latest/whats-happening-where-to-prevent-a-tide-of-homel
On the subject of modern day slavery (which the actions of Britain 'First' help to sweep under the carpet):
https://www.antislavery.org/slavery-today/slavery-uk/ |  |
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