| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think 10:21 - Sep 7 with 2813 views | kizaitfc |
I was talking with family/friends last week and I find it odd how many celebrities are testing positive.
Generally speaking A-List celebrities come in contact with far less people than the majority of the general public, for example not going to busy supermarkets and busy/crowded bars and restaurants, not using public transport.
So if people like Usain Bolt, Idris Elba and Andrea Bocelli are testing positive is it not likely that far more of the general public if tested despite whether they have symptoms or not are likely to have COVID-19 |  |
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| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 10:44 - Sep 7 with 2407 views | davblue |
There will be some celebs who will use it for publicity even if they don't have it im sure, so they can sell a story to a mag or paper about it. |  | | |
| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 10:50 - Sep 7 with 2391 views | kizaitfc |
| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 10:44 - Sep 7 by davblue |
There will be some celebs who will use it for publicity even if they don't have it im sure, so they can sell a story to a mag or paper about it. |
I imagine that will be a very small minority if any.
My main point is unless the government starts randomly checking the general public we may never know how widespread this already is and perhaps more importantly how many people already have antibodies in their system. | |
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| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 11:16 - Sep 7 with 2335 views | m14_blue |
| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 10:50 - Sep 7 by kizaitfc |
I imagine that will be a very small minority if any.
My main point is unless the government starts randomly checking the general public we may never know how widespread this already is and perhaps more importantly how many people already have antibodies in their system. |
I think there are studies randomly testing the public for this exact reason aren't there?
Albeit in relatively small numbers. | | | |
| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 11:23 - Sep 7 with 2307 views | Illinoisblue |
| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 10:44 - Sep 7 by davblue |
There will be some celebs who will use it for publicity even if they don't have it im sure, so they can sell a story to a mag or paper about it. |
That’s an odd take |  |
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| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 11:33 - Sep 7 with 2275 views | davblue |
| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 11:23 - Sep 7 by Illinoisblue |
That’s an odd take |
I think some will use it for publicity, anything that can line their pockets.
More ofa side point than the main jist of the post. | | | |
| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 11:37 - Sep 7 with 2251 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
You've named three celebrities out of tens of thousands of people you've heard of.
You probably haven't heard of the 60,000 dead because they weren't celebrities.
I don't think that's out there and we've all got it. It's just that the few celebrities that do make the news. | |
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| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 11:43 - Sep 7 with 2231 views | Guthrum |
Celebrities are also more likely to travel and come into contact with people from different locations (often on a global level). Thus they are at higher risk than a member of the general public who stays in what might be a local situation with low levels of C-19.
Plus they are more likely to publicise tha fact they have Covid (tho I think in most cases it's more to increase awareness or inform their followers than for raising personal profile). |  |
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| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 11:58 - Sep 7 with 2196 views | Guthrum |
| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 10:50 - Sep 7 by kizaitfc |
I imagine that will be a very small minority if any.
My main point is unless the government starts randomly checking the general public we may never know how widespread this already is and perhaps more importantly how many people already have antibodies in their system. |
The antibody tests are still very unreliable.
Moreover, the antibodies themselves have a limited lifespan, so even if it were the case that many had had C-19, that would be of limited use due to them becoming vulnerable to infection again a few months later. | |
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| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 12:28 - Sep 7 with 2138 views | Ryorry |
| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 11:58 - Sep 7 by Guthrum |
The antibody tests are still very unreliable.
Moreover, the antibodies themselves have a limited lifespan, so even if it were the case that many had had C-19, that would be of limited use due to them becoming vulnerable to infection again a few months later. |
Just like other coronaviruses then, such as the common cold. Don't understand why people generally are slow in picking up that we haven't yet been able to develop a vaccine for that, and that flu jabs are far from 100% successful due to mutation = flag that it's really, really hard to develop such a vaccine, to say the least.
Couple of interesting things - mentioned my recent common cold (when I've been self-isolating) to 2 neighbours. One has a GP b-i-l who said that people living in the countryside tend to have better immune systems than city dwellers, as rural people pick up infections all the time from their environment and the wild animals in it - including the common cold, which really surprised me. Not been able to find anything supporting that from a quick google tho.
The other neighbour's a vet who wondered if human respiratory viruses can be latent like they aparently can be in animals, something I wasn't aware of. |  |
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| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 12:57 - Sep 7 with 2073 views | WD19 |
| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 11:58 - Sep 7 by Guthrum |
The antibody tests are still very unreliable.
Moreover, the antibodies themselves have a limited lifespan, so even if it were the case that many had had C-19, that would be of limited use due to them becoming vulnerable to infection again a few months later. |
The AB tests they now have are actually v.reliable. Certainly no false positives.
But you are right that the AB don't last........from what I am seeing c.20% of 'positives' are no longer 'positive' after about 3 months. |  | | |
| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 12:59 - Sep 7 with 2063 views | WD19 |
| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 11:16 - Sep 7 by m14_blue |
I think there are studies randomly testing the public for this exact reason aren't there?
Albeit in relatively small numbers. |
Not in small numbers......literally millions have been sampled......as many on this board will testify. | | | |
| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 13:04 - Sep 7 with 2049 views | J2BLUE |
I would imagine they come into contact with more people not less. |  |
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| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 13:04 - Sep 7 with 2053 views | clive_baker |
Are celebs 'over indexing' in terms getting it, or are we just hearing about them more?
I've heard of a few, but if you work on the basis 5% - 10% of the population have been infected, than I'm not sure there's any evidence that more than that in the celeb world are.
It's anecdotal but from my friends / family / colleagues / acquaintances etc then 5% feels about right. |  |
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| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 13:08 - Sep 7 with 2030 views | kizaitfc |
| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 13:04 - Sep 7 by clive_baker |
Are celebs 'over indexing' in terms getting it, or are we just hearing about them more?
I've heard of a few, but if you work on the basis 5% - 10% of the population have been infected, than I'm not sure there's any evidence that more than that in the celeb world are.
It's anecdotal but from my friends / family / colleagues / acquaintances etc then 5% feels about right. |
Yes I agree and I am not saying lots of celebrities are getting it, what I am saying is, is the virus actually being spread in the UK faster and easier then our testing records show.
Large celebrities often dont come into a lot of physical contact with people (most avoid it), so if they are catching the virus, the everyday person shopping in crowded supermarkets and using public transport are surely at much higher risk.
However until we start testing more people we may never know | |
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| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 13:15 - Sep 7 with 2004 views | clive_baker |
| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 13:08 - Sep 7 by kizaitfc |
Yes I agree and I am not saying lots of celebrities are getting it, what I am saying is, is the virus actually being spread in the UK faster and easier then our testing records show.
Large celebrities often dont come into a lot of physical contact with people (most avoid it), so if they are catching the virus, the everyday person shopping in crowded supermarkets and using public transport are surely at much higher risk.
However until we start testing more people we may never know |
It wouldn't surprise me, especially as so many people are seemingly asymptomatic. Why would anyone opt in to getting tested if they're not displaying any symptoms? Where as footballers / celebs probably have to in order to get onto set / get into a ground etc, hence they're showing up. They're tested every time they go into training, hence it seems a few footballers every week are showing up with it, but if that's John from the building site he might never know. I wouldn't be surprised if a huge amount more people had been infected, but never known about it. [Post edited 7 Sep 2020 13:16]
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| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 13:18 - Sep 7 with 1991 views | WD19 |
| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 13:15 - Sep 7 by clive_baker |
It wouldn't surprise me, especially as so many people are seemingly asymptomatic. Why would anyone opt in to getting tested if they're not displaying any symptoms? Where as footballers / celebs probably have to in order to get onto set / get into a ground etc, hence they're showing up. They're tested every time they go into training, hence it seems a few footballers every week are showing up with it, but if that's John from the building site he might never know. I wouldn't be surprised if a huge amount more people had been infected, but never known about it. [Post edited 7 Sep 2020 13:16]
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As mentioned above, we do know the prevalence very accurately because there are some of the biggest research projects in human history tracking this stuff. | | | |
| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 13:22 - Sep 7 with 1978 views | clive_baker |
| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 13:18 - Sep 7 by WD19 |
As mentioned above, we do know the prevalence very accurately because there are some of the biggest research projects in human history tracking this stuff. |
I don't dispute that, although there are contradictory pieces of research. It's all a bit weird I think. My wife is a nurse at St George's, she tested positive but was asymptomatic. I tested negative and I was subsequently given an antibody test through work that came back and said I had no evidence of antibodies. Just find it hard to comprehend that given we're in the same household. [Post edited 7 Sep 2020 13:23]
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| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 13:23 - Sep 7 with 1964 views | J2BLUE |
| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 13:18 - Sep 7 by WD19 |
As mentioned above, we do know the prevalence very accurately because there are some of the biggest research projects in human history tracking this stuff. |
I don't think we do. We only look for antibodies as far as I know which seem pretty unreliable? | |
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| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 14:00 - Sep 7 with 1914 views | WD19 |
| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 13:23 - Sep 7 by J2BLUE |
I don't think we do. We only look for antibodies as far as I know which seem pretty unreliable? |
No, some of the programs test for current infection (via swab tests and increasingly saliva). Millions of tests....carefully sampled. | | | |
| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 14:07 - Sep 7 with 1894 views | kizaitfc |
| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 14:00 - Sep 7 by WD19 |
No, some of the programs test for current infection (via swab tests and increasingly saliva). Millions of tests....carefully sampled. |
Do you work for Boris?
You seem far more upbeat about all this research than most Tory MPs | |
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| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 14:43 - Sep 7 with 1850 views | Guthrum |
| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 14:07 - Sep 7 by kizaitfc |
Do you work for Boris?
You seem far more upbeat about all this research than most Tory MPs |
Most Tory MPs (on the backbenches, at least) are desperate for this to all go away so they can get the country "back to work" and/or "get Brexit done". What they fail to realise is that this is a flexible and changing situation, where there will be setbacks as well as progress. Moreover, they are still harping after largely discredited ideas of herd immunity providing a rapid, easy and cheap solution.
People dislike war similes with regard to this pandemic, but there are parallels, in the sense of an extended struggle, with temporary defeats and wrong decisions made requiring later correction. Much like a war, this situation cannot just be wished away (look what that did for Brazil and, to an extent, the USA). | |
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| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 15:10 - Sep 7 with 1801 views | longtimefan |
| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 14:00 - Sep 7 by WD19 |
No, some of the programs test for current infection (via swab tests and increasingly saliva). Millions of tests....carefully sampled. |
Main UK infection survey is the ONS pilot study. Not sure it’s millions - around 150,000 over six week intervals
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditio | | | |
| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 15:19 - Sep 7 with 1786 views | Ryorry |
| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 14:43 - Sep 7 by Guthrum |
Most Tory MPs (on the backbenches, at least) are desperate for this to all go away so they can get the country "back to work" and/or "get Brexit done". What they fail to realise is that this is a flexible and changing situation, where there will be setbacks as well as progress. Moreover, they are still harping after largely discredited ideas of herd immunity providing a rapid, easy and cheap solution.
People dislike war similes with regard to this pandemic, but there are parallels, in the sense of an extended struggle, with temporary defeats and wrong decisions made requiring later correction. Much like a war, this situation cannot just be wished away (look what that did for Brazil and, to an extent, the USA). |
If most Tory backbenchers really do think most of that, we're absolutely sunk. I had credited them with at least a modicum of intelligence - but clearly I was born with massive amounts of over-optimism in my genetic code :( | |
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| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 15:22 - Sep 7 with 1779 views | WD19 |
That's just one of them.......and it is being ramped up further to be x6 times the size of current. There are many more. Some of which will be ramped down and folded in to the ONS programme as it rolls forward.
All of which is plenty in terms of measuring prevalence accurately. | | | |
| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 15:35 - Sep 7 with 1744 views | longtimefan |
| Is COVID-19 more prevalent in general public than we think on 15:22 - Sep 7 by WD19 |
That's just one of them.......and it is being ramped up further to be x6 times the size of current. There are many more. Some of which will be ramped down and folded in to the ONS programme as it rolls forward.
All of which is plenty in terms of measuring prevalence accurately. |
No argument from me. Was just pointing to evidence that it was happening, which some other posters seem to be doubting. | | | |
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