| Thinking out loud.... 21:48 - Feb 13 with 6340 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
India population...1,393,409,038
India covid deaths...155,673
Uk population...67,610,000
Uk covid deaths....116,908
Is the real issue we need to address that we have a ridiculously unhealthy population fuelled on cr@p processed food? Oh and gross inequalities. |  |
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| Thinking out loud.... on 21:50 - Feb 13 with 4052 views | chrismakin |
Isn't it just the fact that the majority of the UK pretty much stuck 2 fingers up at the goverment when it said stay at home
Plus the fact the government then told everyone to go eat out |  |
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| Thinking out loud.... on 21:54 - Feb 13 with 4028 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Thinking out loud.... on 21:50 - Feb 13 by chrismakin |
Isn't it just the fact that the majority of the UK pretty much stuck 2 fingers up at the goverment when it said stay at home
Plus the fact the government then told everyone to go eat out |
Fairly sure I saw totally undistanced crowds at the cricket as I watched on TV this morning. | |
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| Thinking out loud.... on 21:54 - Feb 13 with 4028 views | NewcyBlue |
What is India’s criteria for citing a death as because of COVID? I don’t imagine it being the exact same as ours.
I wouldn’t say India’s population is generally any healthier than ours judging by the state of the crew and officers that I am getting. |  |
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| Thinking out loud.... on 21:56 - Feb 13 with 4006 views | chrismakin |
| Thinking out loud.... on 21:54 - Feb 13 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Fairly sure I saw totally undistanced crowds at the cricket as I watched on TV this morning. |
Oh im not caring it to India itself, i don;t really know what the rules are in different countries, they all seem different
I just mean for the UK numbers | |
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| Thinking out loud.... on 21:56 - Feb 13 with 4005 views | pointofblue |
I'd say that might be down to how people are tested than a 'true' statistic. |  |
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| Thinking out loud.... on 22:00 - Feb 13 with 3975 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Thinking out loud.... on 21:54 - Feb 13 by NewcyBlue |
What is India’s criteria for citing a death as because of COVID? I don’t imagine it being the exact same as ours.
I wouldn’t say India’s population is generally any healthier than ours judging by the state of the crew and officers that I am getting. |
Genuinely have no idea Captain...only looked at the numbers after looking at the crowds when the cricket was on. I am pretty sure the appalling state of our nation's health is a major factor in degrees of susceptibility though. | |
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| Thinking out loud.... on 22:03 - Feb 13 with 3961 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Thinking out loud.... on 21:56 - Feb 13 by pointofblue |
I'd say that might be down to how people are tested than a 'true' statistic. |
A quick calculation suggests that if equal standards were applied then their death total would be nearer 2,409,416 ....that is some difference! | |
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| Thinking out loud.... on 22:07 - Feb 13 with 3935 views | jeera |
"Oh and gross inequalities."
Whilst there's no doubt we have gross inequalities here in the UK, and elsewhere.
I have never witnessed inequality on the scale I have in India.
I wouldn't read too much into their official figures. |  |
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| Thinking out loud.... on 22:07 - Feb 13 with 3938 views | GeoffSentence |
India's numbers started dropping right at a point when everyone was expecting them to surge after a few super=spreader type events and no-one knows why.
Certainly I think the grap british diet doesnt help us. Cheap processed food packed with sugar, hydrogenated fat and other crap is good for no-one and makes us fat which is a major factor in the death rate. |  |
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| Thinking out loud.... on 22:08 - Feb 13 with 3928 views | floridablue |
| Thinking out loud.... on 21:50 - Feb 13 by chrismakin |
Isn't it just the fact that the majority of the UK pretty much stuck 2 fingers up at the goverment when it said stay at home
Plus the fact the government then told everyone to go eat out |
Honestly curious to know if it's been confirmed the government encouraged eat out month was a disaster covid spreader. I ask because all Florida restaurant/bars have been open for months and apart from most requiring masks to be worn only on entry, nothing negative is mentioned on local news channels. ... unless I'm missing something! | | | |
| Thinking out loud.... on 22:11 - Feb 13 with 3913 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Thinking out loud.... on 22:07 - Feb 13 by jeera |
"Oh and gross inequalities."
Whilst there's no doubt we have gross inequalities here in the UK, and elsewhere.
I have never witnessed inequality on the scale I have in India.
I wouldn't read too much into their official figures. |
Point accepted. Luckily, however they don't subsist on a diet of McDonald's and pizza! | |
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| Thinking out loud.... on 22:12 - Feb 13 with 3908 views | chrismakin |
| Thinking out loud.... on 22:08 - Feb 13 by floridablue |
Honestly curious to know if it's been confirmed the government encouraged eat out month was a disaster covid spreader. I ask because all Florida restaurant/bars have been open for months and apart from most requiring masks to be worn only on entry, nothing negative is mentioned on local news channels. ... unless I'm missing something! |
No offence intended here, but I rarely see anything about Covid and America, is it not something taken seriously out there? i.e media etc not interested in it..
I think our Data showed a ridiculous increase in cases again once the campaign started. but the biggest peaks were when the schools/Unis opened. I get education is important etc, but that has definitely been the biggest spreader. [Post edited 13 Feb 2021 22:13]
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| Thinking out loud.... on 22:13 - Feb 13 with 3895 views | jeera |
| Thinking out loud.... on 22:11 - Feb 13 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Point accepted. Luckily, however they don't subsist on a diet of McDonald's and pizza! |
People who live outside next to open sewers don't tend to have access to McDonalds, no. | |
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| Thinking out loud.... on 22:25 - Feb 13 with 3847 views | NewcyBlue |
| Thinking out loud.... on 22:00 - Feb 13 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Genuinely have no idea Captain...only looked at the numbers after looking at the crowds when the cricket was on. I am pretty sure the appalling state of our nation's health is a major factor in degrees of susceptibility though. |
So the statistics may not even be comparable due to the differing criteria used for Covid deaths?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/28/dramatic-drop-in-covid-cases-gives
An interesting read about India, one theory is that they have achieved herd immunity in places like Delhi. | |
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| Thinking out loud.... on 22:36 - Feb 13 with 3821 views | floridablue |
| Thinking out loud.... on 22:12 - Feb 13 by chrismakin |
No offence intended here, but I rarely see anything about Covid and America, is it not something taken seriously out there? i.e media etc not interested in it..
I think our Data showed a ridiculous increase in cases again once the campaign started. but the biggest peaks were when the schools/Unis opened. I get education is important etc, but that has definitely been the biggest spreader. [Post edited 13 Feb 2021 22:13]
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Certainly in my opinion, perhaps because I read British news on line and compare , American 'local' news channels appear to downplay how serious this pandemic is. Florida is 'open' and our state governor refuses to believe it needs to be shut down. Apart from obviously the lack of overseas tourist visitors and the request to wear masks on entry to shops/restaurant/bars and reduced crowds etc life seems to go on as normal Disney California still closed due to state laws, Florida Disney open due to state rules!! [Post edited 13 Feb 2021 22:45]
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| Thinking out loud.... on 22:38 - Feb 13 with 3819 views | Freddies_Ears |
Odd that they might've achieved herd immunity with just a fraction of the deaths, population adjusted. Something strange going on, and I am not accusing them of hiding a vast number of Covid deaths... | | | |
| Thinking out loud.... on 22:41 - Feb 13 with 3805 views | StokieBlue |
I think the real issue we need to address here is a simplification of complex issues.
Have you considered the reporting of C19 deaths might be hugely different? Or that the government might not want the true number to be known? Have you taken into account that the average age in India is far lower than the UK? How have you attributed the high death toll in the UK to processed food? How have you attributed it to inequality given India is a country with huge inequality and a far lower average living conditions than the UK?
Nobody will disagree the UK has done very poorly indeed but a lot of countries numbers are "interesting". Only last month the Russian deputy prime minister messed up in a speech and suddenly the world knows they actually have the second most deaths in the world (nearly 3 times what they officially declare). I suspect they aren't the only country doing this.
Once again, we have done very poorly but just posting small soundbites like this really isn't any form of analysis or debate.
SB
Edit: A quick Google shows that dissenting doctors and experts within India put their C19 death toll at between 500,000 and 1m as of the start of December. Also worth noting our deaths have been hugely influenced recently by the new variant which they don't have. [Post edited 13 Feb 2021 22:46]
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| Thinking out loud.... on 22:46 - Feb 13 with 3787 views | eastangliaisblue |
| Thinking out loud.... on 22:13 - Feb 13 by jeera |
People who live outside next to open sewers don't tend to have access to McDonalds, no. |
Indeed, the two countries cannot remotely be compared, when talking about inequality. |  | | |
| Thinking out loud.... on 22:48 - Feb 13 with 3778 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Interesting read...thanks.
Jameel added: “This, together with better innate immunity as a result of high infectious disease load, is most likely the reason for a continuing decline in numbers.” | |
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| Thinking out loud.... on 22:50 - Feb 13 with 3771 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Thinking out loud.... on 22:13 - Feb 13 by jeera |
People who live outside next to open sewers don't tend to have access to McDonalds, no. |
I would rather take my chances with the sewer tbf. | |
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| Thinking out loud.... on 22:57 - Feb 13 with 3748 views | jeera |
| Thinking out loud.... on 22:50 - Feb 13 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I would rather take my chances with the sewer tbf. |
You really wouldn't.
I know you're being tongue in cheek, but it's quite insulting to the wretches who do live at the side of the streets in their thousands.
I mean lined up at the side of the 'roads' living alongside open gutters.
I have seen someone washing a plate in one of those gutters whilst a few yards away someone else was peeing in the same gully.
They rely solely on handouts from people who can be bothered to help those begging.
Disease is rife, deformity, blindness...
There is little to no state help and people are left to their own devices. No help, no shelter.
The caste belief is still very much on show. | |
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| Thinking out loud.... on 22:58 - Feb 13 with 3743 views | SuffolkPOSH |
One major factor is the difference in age demographics. |  | | |
| Thinking out loud.... on 23:03 - Feb 13 with 3731 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Thinking out loud.... on 22:41 - Feb 13 by StokieBlue |
I think the real issue we need to address here is a simplification of complex issues.
Have you considered the reporting of C19 deaths might be hugely different? Or that the government might not want the true number to be known? Have you taken into account that the average age in India is far lower than the UK? How have you attributed the high death toll in the UK to processed food? How have you attributed it to inequality given India is a country with huge inequality and a far lower average living conditions than the UK?
Nobody will disagree the UK has done very poorly indeed but a lot of countries numbers are "interesting". Only last month the Russian deputy prime minister messed up in a speech and suddenly the world knows they actually have the second most deaths in the world (nearly 3 times what they officially declare). I suspect they aren't the only country doing this.
Once again, we have done very poorly but just posting small soundbites like this really isn't any form of analysis or debate.
SB
Edit: A quick Google shows that dissenting doctors and experts within India put their C19 death toll at between 500,000 and 1m as of the start of December. Also worth noting our deaths have been hugely influenced recently by the new variant which they don't have. [Post edited 13 Feb 2021 22:46]
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The op title may have been 'thinking out loud ' but what did I really mean as per usual Stokie!
Not really sure where to start to address your usual presumptions but yes I had considered many if not all of those things but you seem to be presenting them as some sort of tin foil hattery facts.
Fairly sure obesity, often related to inequality has been mentioned in the UK. I am obviously aware of inequalities in India but might I suggest they present somewhat differently with regards to diet.
Missed the Russian stuff...sounds about true to form! | |
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| Thinking out loud.... on 23:07 - Feb 13 with 3709 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Thinking out loud.... on 22:57 - Feb 13 by jeera |
You really wouldn't.
I know you're being tongue in cheek, but it's quite insulting to the wretches who do live at the side of the streets in their thousands.
I mean lined up at the side of the 'roads' living alongside open gutters.
I have seen someone washing a plate in one of those gutters whilst a few yards away someone else was peeing in the same gully.
They rely solely on handouts from people who can be bothered to help those begging.
Disease is rife, deformity, blindness...
There is little to no state help and people are left to their own devices. No help, no shelter.
The caste belief is still very much on show. |
Maybe this gets us back to the thing mentioned in Newcy's article about innate resistance due to high exposure to background viral loads. At the risk of sounding flippant I bet that they generally aren't fat either. | |
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| Thinking out loud.... on 23:09 - Feb 13 with 3705 views | StokieBlue |
| Thinking out loud.... on 23:03 - Feb 13 by BanksterDebtSlave |
The op title may have been 'thinking out loud ' but what did I really mean as per usual Stokie!
Not really sure where to start to address your usual presumptions but yes I had considered many if not all of those things but you seem to be presenting them as some sort of tin foil hattery facts.
Fairly sure obesity, often related to inequality has been mentioned in the UK. I am obviously aware of inequalities in India but might I suggest they present somewhat differently with regards to diet.
Missed the Russian stuff...sounds about true to form! |
How are they presumptions? They are points which are relevant which you didn't mention in your opening post. It is perfectly right to ask whether you've considered them. Given you say you've considered them I think you've dismissed them far too eagerly.
Why would obesity be the issue when the majority of deaths in the UK have been in the older cohorts where obesity isn't likely to be the main factor?
Why no comments on the Indian doctors who say the death toll is at least 5 times higher?
You are certainly right to highlight the issues around diet and inequality in the UK but I don't think it's right to try and do that by shoehorning in things which don't seem to fully correlate. This whole thread just seems to be a way of saying people in the UK are fat which is a fair point but not sure why you have to link it to C19 or deaths in relation to other countries.
SB [Post edited 13 Feb 2021 23:10]
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