| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 19:06 - Jan 23 with 2495 views | GlasgowBlue |
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| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 19:29 - Jan 23 with 2481 views | Darth_Koont |
The sort of silly and ultimately pretty offensive comment I’ve come to expect from you.
F@#k anyone who regurgitated this nonsense and enabled an awful Tory government as a result. |  |
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| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 19:34 - Jan 23 with 2441 views | footers |
| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 19:06 - Jan 23 by GlasgowBlue |
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You're not in a position to judge anyone here, gibbers.
You were an active member of a political party you didn't think was racist for 20+ years, ffs.
Or maybe you do realise now and would like to apologise? |  |
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| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 19:43 - Jan 23 with 2387 views | tractordownsouth |
There are still (somehow) a few relatively normal Tory MPs willing to defend Johnson. So you'd think any reasonably competent PM would send one of them out on the airwaves more often instead and tell fruitloops like Fabricant and Rees-Mogg to stay away and stop making things ten times worse. |  |
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| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 19:44 - Jan 23 with 2381 views | Darth_Koont |
| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 19:34 - Jan 23 by footers |
You're not in a position to judge anyone here, gibbers.
You were an active member of a political party you didn't think was racist for 20+ years, ffs.
Or maybe you do realise now and would like to apologise? |
As if anti-racism was ever an issue for these clowns.
It’s just a weapon in some silly political game. | |
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| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 19:54 - Jan 23 with 2311 views | footers |
| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 19:44 - Jan 23 by Darth_Koont |
As if anti-racism was ever an issue for these clowns.
It’s just a weapon in some silly political game. |
I went to this club called G-A-Y once. Turns out it was a gay bar. How is any normal person meant to know these things? | |
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| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 20:07 - Jan 23 with 2264 views | Darth_Koont |
| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 19:54 - Jan 23 by footers |
I went to this club called G-A-Y once. Turns out it was a gay bar. How is any normal person meant to know these things? |
Well, it makes a certain sense. We’re not talking about people who really get racism or why there are committed anti-racists.
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| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 20:09 - Jan 23 with 2244 views | footers |
| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 20:07 - Jan 23 by Darth_Koont |
Well, it makes a certain sense. We’re not talking about people who really get racism or why there are committed anti-racists.
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Wrong type of Jew there, bro. | |
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| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 10:18 - Jan 24 with 1932 views | GlasgowBlue |
| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 20:09 - Jan 23 by footers |
Wrong type of Jew there, bro. |
Wrong type of Muslim there, bro.
See how easy it to find people who are politically motivated to defend the indefensible, even when it impacts on people of their own ethnicity or religion?
The difference being that Zahawi has gone down in my estimation. Whereas you happily nod along to Sayle, whilst ignoring the majority of British Jews. [Post edited 24 Jan 2022 10:34]
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| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 10:36 - Jan 24 with 1912 views | Seablu |
| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 10:18 - Jan 24 by GlasgowBlue |
Wrong type of Muslim there, bro.
See how easy it to find people who are politically motivated to defend the indefensible, even when it impacts on people of their own ethnicity or religion?
The difference being that Zahawi has gone down in my estimation. Whereas you happily nod along to Sayle, whilst ignoring the majority of British Jews. [Post edited 24 Jan 2022 10:34]
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This would be the same Nadhim Zahawi you’ve been extolling for the last few months?
You’ve gone back to just weaving all over the road hitting everything in the way.
Leopard, spots, duck, quack, GB, double standards etc etc. |  | | |
| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 10:40 - Jan 24 with 1902 views | monytowbray |
Wow, Badger now gone full Glassers v2.
Very woke and fact based. |  |
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| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 10:46 - Jan 24 with 1867 views | Seablu |
| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 10:40 - Jan 24 by monytowbray |
Wow, Badger now gone full Glassers v2.
Very woke and fact based. |
It’s been in the pre-production stage for a couple of months.
Now started dropping the odd teaser to gauge public opinion.
Very sad to see. | | | |
| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 10:49 - Jan 24 with 1853 views | Darth_Koont |
| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 10:18 - Jan 24 by GlasgowBlue |
Wrong type of Muslim there, bro.
See how easy it to find people who are politically motivated to defend the indefensible, even when it impacts on people of their own ethnicity or religion?
The difference being that Zahawi has gone down in my estimation. Whereas you happily nod along to Sayle, whilst ignoring the majority of British Jews. [Post edited 24 Jan 2022 10:34]
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Sayle’s view is a punchy attack based on the evidence.
Zahawi’s view is a craven defence ignoring the evidence.
There’s the difference.
We need to take an independent, evidence-based approach to accusations of racism and measurement of it. Because as Labour antisemitism and Tory islamophobia have shown in contrasting styles, we’ve allowed politics and bad faith actors to take over the process. | |
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| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 10:57 - Jan 24 with 1814 views | GlasgowBlue |
| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 10:49 - Jan 24 by Darth_Koont |
Sayle’s view is a punchy attack based on the evidence.
Zahawi’s view is a craven defence ignoring the evidence.
There’s the difference.
We need to take an independent, evidence-based approach to accusations of racism and measurement of it. Because as Labour antisemitism and Tory islamophobia have shown in contrasting styles, we’ve allowed politics and bad faith actors to take over the process. |
We had an independent, evidence-based approach to accusations of racism. It was conducted by the EHRC.
A similar statutory investigation by the same body into islamophobia in the Tory party needs to take place. | |
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| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 11:07 - Jan 24 with 1797 views | monytowbray |
| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 10:57 - Jan 24 by GlasgowBlue |
We had an independent, evidence-based approach to accusations of racism. It was conducted by the EHRC.
A similar statutory investigation by the same body into islamophobia in the Tory party needs to take place. |
It needed it when you were still a member. | |
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| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 11:11 - Jan 24 with 1776 views | GlasgowBlue |
| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 11:07 - Jan 24 by monytowbray |
It needed it when you were still a member. |
Yes. I agree.
I was one of the first 'Tory' board members to say so when Baroness Warsi first raised her concerns.
I've been consistent on the subject long before I tore my membership card up in 2017. [Post edited 24 Jan 2022 11:19]
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| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 11:12 - Jan 24 with 1778 views | Darth_Koont |
| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 10:57 - Jan 24 by GlasgowBlue |
We had an independent, evidence-based approach to accusations of racism. It was conducted by the EHRC.
A similar statutory investigation by the same body into islamophobia in the Tory party needs to take place. |
Indeed. And the report didn’t support your notion that the party was institutionally racist, that Corbyn was an antisemite or that antisemitism was enabled under his leadership.
There were certainly issues with the complaints process but once McNicol left as General Secretary these were overhauled. And one of the principal censures against the leadership was that they got too involved trying to expedite complaints and suspensions/expulsions.
The evidence of the EHRC report effectively backs up the wider independent research re: the prevalence of antisemitism in Labour (less on the left than on the right and about the same as for the LibDems) and that antisemitism even went down under Corbyn.
What did go absolutely massively through the roof were the thousands of accusations and complaints most of them from bad faith actors who saw the issue as a political football, either to punch the left and/or push back against pro-Palestinian support.
History will not be kind to them. Because evidence isn’t partisan and can only be ignored for so long. | |
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| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 11:18 - Jan 24 with 1732 views | GlasgowBlue |
| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 11:12 - Jan 24 by Darth_Koont |
Indeed. And the report didn’t support your notion that the party was institutionally racist, that Corbyn was an antisemite or that antisemitism was enabled under his leadership.
There were certainly issues with the complaints process but once McNicol left as General Secretary these were overhauled. And one of the principal censures against the leadership was that they got too involved trying to expedite complaints and suspensions/expulsions.
The evidence of the EHRC report effectively backs up the wider independent research re: the prevalence of antisemitism in Labour (less on the left than on the right and about the same as for the LibDems) and that antisemitism even went down under Corbyn.
What did go absolutely massively through the roof were the thousands of accusations and complaints most of them from bad faith actors who saw the issue as a political football, either to punch the left and/or push back against pro-Palestinian support.
History will not be kind to them. Because evidence isn’t partisan and can only be ignored for so long. |
"antisemitism even went down under Corbyn".
Laters you daft old koont. | |
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| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 11:27 - Jan 24 with 1698 views | monytowbray |
| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 11:11 - Jan 24 by GlasgowBlue |
Yes. I agree.
I was one of the first 'Tory' board members to say so when Baroness Warsi first raised her concerns.
I've been consistent on the subject long before I tore my membership card up in 2017. [Post edited 24 Jan 2022 11:19]
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Was that before or after you started shouting MIDDLE CLASS WHITE BOYS at oppressed minorities protesting?
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-antisemitism-political-parties
It’s always been a cross party problem and you weaponised it. Your post history here is too known for you to try and take some kind of moral high ground through cognitive dissonance and self interest.
Alarm bells should have rang when the party that won an election saying the other main party is institutionally anti-Semetic then less than a year later self-produce a report saying the UK is not institutionally racist to save their own skin.
The core difference is people keep their mouths shut about what’s said behind closed doors for the wider good of the party in the Blue seats until it benefits their political means.
You’ve made a fraction of the noise about our local MP going into the HoP publicly spouting about cultural marxism (which he continues to ignore and never address) as you did when Corbyn apologised over protecting an art piece or decade old retracted statement over Hamas. Why is this? | |
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| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 13:31 - Jan 24 with 1587 views | Swansea_Blue |
| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 10:18 - Jan 24 by GlasgowBlue |
Wrong type of Muslim there, bro.
See how easy it to find people who are politically motivated to defend the indefensible, even when it impacts on people of their own ethnicity or religion?
The difference being that Zahawi has gone down in my estimation. Whereas you happily nod along to Sayle, whilst ignoring the majority of British Jews. [Post edited 24 Jan 2022 10:34]
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I'm not sure how he was high enough to be able to drop in your estimation. He's been defending the indefensible for yonks - one of the worst they regularly wheel out. And he doesn't maange it with any degree of inventiveness or apparent talent. He's an awful awful, seemingly pretty dumb apologist. |  |
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| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 15:50 - Jan 24 with 1447 views | lowhouseblue |
| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 11:30 - Jan 24 by Darth_Koont |
Yes, you old bad-faith evidence dodger.
https://skwawkbox.org/2018/03/29/exclusive-caa-yougov-data-show-labour-significa
I wouldn’t normally post Skwawkbox but it’s a good collection of the data from YouGov and even the CAA that was not promoted or covered by our fearless and trustworthy media.
Edit: why did it go down? Well, he attracted a lot of younger members and more left than right so I think that’s a pretty solid theory. [Post edited 24 Jan 2022 11:34]
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you and your link are confusing labour voters with labour members. the hard left, who joined the party in numbers under corbyn, have a long and continuing problem with anti-semitism. the problem was with the members, who sadly, as we know full well, were unrepresentative of the labour voters. |  |
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| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 16:17 - Jan 24 with 1360 views | noggin |
| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 15:50 - Jan 24 by lowhouseblue |
you and your link are confusing labour voters with labour members. the hard left, who joined the party in numbers under corbyn, have a long and continuing problem with anti-semitism. the problem was with the members, who sadly, as we know full well, were unrepresentative of the labour voters. |
"Hard left"? lol. |  |
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| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 16:35 - Jan 24 with 1310 views | GlasgowBlue |
| They were probably just being critical of the Pakistani government. on 13:31 - Jan 24 by Swansea_Blue |
I'm not sure how he was high enough to be able to drop in your estimation. He's been defending the indefensible for yonks - one of the worst they regularly wheel out. And he doesn't maange it with any degree of inventiveness or apparent talent. He's an awful awful, seemingly pretty dumb apologist. |
I think he's been a highly effective minister in an otherwise incompetent government. He handled the vaccine brief very well.
He also seems well thought of on the opposition benches as a competent minister.
Since Johnson has been in the rack over the last couple of weeks I had touted him as a dark horse for the leadership. I wasn't aware of him defending Jonson's racism in the past and seeing him do so today was more than disappointing. | |
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