| Can you actually buy ethical milk 15:38 - Feb 16 with 6361 views | gtsb1966 |
I don't want milk substitutes but the proper stuff. I found this quite abhorrent. The removal of the calves is horrible. I would be grateful if someone could tell me where I can buy the stuff. Thanks. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-60394156 |  | | |  |
| Can you actually buy ethical milk on 15:41 - Feb 16 with 3160 views | Mediocre_Quick |
I suppose if you take the cow out for dinner first and then milk it could be construed as consensual and ethical? |  | | |
| Can you actually buy ethical milk on 15:58 - Feb 16 with 3094 views | leitrimblue |
| Can you actually buy ethical milk on 15:41 - Feb 16 by Mediocre_Quick |
I suppose if you take the cow out for dinner first and then milk it could be construed as consensual and ethical? |
Think it's still 2 dates before milking. Though if yer keep the wine flowing on the first date who knows |  | | |
| Can you actually buy ethical milk on 15:59 - Feb 16 with 3090 views | J2BLUE |
You're welcome |  |
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| Can you actually buy ethical milk on 16:08 - Feb 16 with 3058 views | WeWereZombies |
As the animal rights spokesperson says at the end of the clip, we should be paying more for our milk. If we can find and afford milk from a decent local dairy farm.
Also, think twice before switching to substitutes for milk. This is from 'Spoon Fed' by Prof. Tim Spector, pages 160/61 of the 2022 Vintage edition:
'Clever marketing campaigns, such as the 2019 Oatly advert 'It's like milk, but made for humans', are persuading customers into following dairy-free diets, with vegan milk sales growing by 30 per cent over the past three years. The cosy relationship between the 'free-from' baby-milk industry and paedriatric doctors is making it worse. Between 2006 and 2016, prescriptions of specialist milks for infants with cow's milk allergy increased by 500 percent, despite no evidence showing any increase in real milk allergy. This over-diagnosis of cow's milk allergy is potentially harmful to mothers and babies, and confuses women on the clear health benefits associated with breastfeeding where allergy is non-existent.' |  |
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| Can you actually buy ethical milk on 16:14 - Feb 16 with 3031 views | eireblue |
All credit it to you for seeing the issue and making a change.
However diary free, is really the best option, especially if you also consider the environment.
Of course if you insist, you could join the waiting list, and stay diary free whilst on it.
https://www.ahimsamilk.org/
As a slight aside, and you clearly understand this, but language is interesting when it comes to these topics.
For a calf that is trying to grow into a cow or a bull, cows milk is the “proper stuff”.
For an adult human it is the “completely unnecessary stuff”. |  | | |
| Can you actually buy ethical milk on 16:23 - Feb 16 with 3002 views | WeWereZombies |
| Can you actually buy ethical milk on 16:14 - Feb 16 by eireblue |
All credit it to you for seeing the issue and making a change.
However diary free, is really the best option, especially if you also consider the environment.
Of course if you insist, you could join the waiting list, and stay diary free whilst on it.
https://www.ahimsamilk.org/
As a slight aside, and you clearly understand this, but language is interesting when it comes to these topics.
For a calf that is trying to grow into a cow or a bull, cows milk is the “proper stuff”.
For an adult human it is the “completely unnecessary stuff”. |
And what happens to the land, the cows and the agricultural workers as the opportunity for balanced mixed farming and ecologically beneficial dairy practices is missed should you manage to railroad everyone into prairie fields of monoculture to satisfy demand for an innovation that not every one wants and prevents us from returning to a way of life that worked well for centuries? | |
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| Can you actually buy ethical milk on 16:34 - Feb 16 with 2978 views | eireblue |
| Can you actually buy ethical milk on 16:23 - Feb 16 by WeWereZombies |
And what happens to the land, the cows and the agricultural workers as the opportunity for balanced mixed farming and ecologically beneficial dairy practices is missed should you manage to railroad everyone into prairie fields of monoculture to satisfy demand for an innovation that not every one wants and prevents us from returning to a way of life that worked well for centuries? |
Same sort of thing that happens in many industries.
We are trying not to use fossil fuels. Fossil fuels have been used for centuries.
Part of Trumps campaign in the US was anti-climate change, and pro coal mining.
As a consequence of his time and his initiatives, programmes to re-educate coal miners was defunded.
Should we keep using fossil fuels, trees and not innovate, because of coal miners and lumberjacks?
Some people like log fires.
Who said anything about monoculture?
The scientist estimate that shifting to a vegan diet would reduce the amount of land used by food production by 75%.
Plenty of land left if people go vegan. | | | |
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| Can you actually buy ethical milk on 16:42 - Feb 16 with 2949 views | hoppy |
| Can you actually buy ethical milk on 16:14 - Feb 16 by eireblue |
All credit it to you for seeing the issue and making a change.
However diary free, is really the best option, especially if you also consider the environment.
Of course if you insist, you could join the waiting list, and stay diary free whilst on it.
https://www.ahimsamilk.org/
As a slight aside, and you clearly understand this, but language is interesting when it comes to these topics.
For a calf that is trying to grow into a cow or a bull, cows milk is the “proper stuff”.
For an adult human it is the “completely unnecessary stuff”. |
But if you're on a waiting list, how would you know when to expect a delivery, if you go diary free? |  |
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| Can you actually buy ethical milk on 16:47 - Feb 16 with 2938 views | DinDjarin |
Why do humans drink the milk of other species?
Just weird and also not healthy. |  | | |
| Can you actually buy ethical milk on 16:58 - Feb 16 with 2896 views | MattinLondon |
| Can you actually buy ethical milk on 16:47 - Feb 16 by DinDjarin |
Why do humans drink the milk of other species?
Just weird and also not healthy. |
It’s just a fad that’s been going on for 10,000 years…it’ll never catch on. |  | | |
| Can you actually buy ethical milk on 17:00 - Feb 16 with 2894 views | XYZ |
There's a large cheese-shaped elephant in this room. |  | | |
| Can you actually buy ethical milk on 17:03 - Feb 16 with 2877 views | eireblue |
| Can you actually buy ethical milk on 16:42 - Feb 16 by hoppy |
But if you're on a waiting list, how would you know when to expect a delivery, if you go diary free? |
Yea, I think I am understanding why I find nerdle easier than wordle. | | | |
| Can you actually buy ethical milk on 17:04 - Feb 16 with 2874 views | MattinLondon |
| Can you actually buy ethical milk on 15:59 - Feb 16 by J2BLUE |
You're welcome |
Does that taste exactly like ‘normal’ milk? | | | |
| Can you actually buy ethical milk on 17:12 - Feb 16 with 2846 views | leitrimblue |
| Can you actually buy ethical milk on 17:04 - Feb 16 by MattinLondon |
Does that taste exactly like ‘normal’ milk? |
It's not as good as strawberry milk. And unless you listen really carefully you can't even hear the little strawberries scream | | | |
| Can you actually buy ethical milk on 17:13 - Feb 16 with 2848 views | bluelagos |
| Can you actually buy ethical milk on 16:47 - Feb 16 by DinDjarin |
Why do humans drink the milk of other species?
Just weird and also not healthy. |
If we didn't, the world would be a different place.
According to a book I read on how we populated the earth, we started in East Africa 80,000 years ago and it took us 20,000 to cross the Saraha and from then on, to populate Northern Africa, Europe, Asia and last thing being the Americas (via the Bearing Straight)
The reason it took 20k years is because anyone who tried it - died / starved. That was until we got hold of some cattle who could provide milk and meat for the journey.
Never looked back. |  |
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| Can you actually buy ethical milk on 17:14 - Feb 16 with 2842 views | WeWereZombies |
| Can you actually buy ethical milk on 16:34 - Feb 16 by eireblue |
Same sort of thing that happens in many industries.
We are trying not to use fossil fuels. Fossil fuels have been used for centuries.
Part of Trumps campaign in the US was anti-climate change, and pro coal mining.
As a consequence of his time and his initiatives, programmes to re-educate coal miners was defunded.
Should we keep using fossil fuels, trees and not innovate, because of coal miners and lumberjacks?
Some people like log fires.
Who said anything about monoculture?
The scientist estimate that shifting to a vegan diet would reduce the amount of land used by food production by 75%.
Plenty of land left if people go vegan. |
You are answering a different question there, and not doing enough research into the type of industry that supplies plant based milk - which is where the monoculture comes in.
Reviving and improving upon existing agricultural practice to attain a balance between human needs and the continuing existence of other organisms is not the same as plugging on with extracting a reducing stock of mineral resources from the Earth. | |
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| Can you actually buy ethical milk on 17:18 - Feb 16 with 2820 views | WeWereZombies |
| Can you actually buy ethical milk on 17:13 - Feb 16 by bluelagos |
If we didn't, the world would be a different place.
According to a book I read on how we populated the earth, we started in East Africa 80,000 years ago and it took us 20,000 to cross the Saraha and from then on, to populate Northern Africa, Europe, Asia and last thing being the Americas (via the Bearing Straight)
The reason it took 20k years is because anyone who tried it - died / starved. That was until we got hold of some cattle who could provide milk and meat for the journey.
Never looked back. |
Trouble is once one tribe did it then the other tribes copied and the bid for supremacy looked to be over...until they learned to ride horses. | |
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| Can you actually buy ethical milk on 17:24 - Feb 16 with 2804 views | eireblue |
| Can you actually buy ethical milk on 17:14 - Feb 16 by WeWereZombies |
You are answering a different question there, and not doing enough research into the type of industry that supplies plant based milk - which is where the monoculture comes in.
Reviving and improving upon existing agricultural practice to attain a balance between human needs and the continuing existence of other organisms is not the same as plugging on with extracting a reducing stock of mineral resources from the Earth. |
How do you know how much research I do, or reading I have done?
Not sure how me pointing out that in a vegan version of the world there is significantly less land required for agriculture.
You mentioned innovation. Imagine the innovation that is possible by having much more flexibility of land usage, when 75% less is required. | | | |
| Can you actually buy ethical milk on 17:33 - Feb 16 with 2787 views | bluelagos |
| Can you actually buy ethical milk on 17:18 - Feb 16 by WeWereZombies |
Trouble is once one tribe did it then the other tribes copied and the bid for supremacy looked to be over...until they learned to ride horses. |
So a couple more interesting things from said book. They had used people's DNA and calculated 11 people crossed the Bearing Straights. They then populated the whole of the Americas - all descended from just 11 people ffs.
The same guys then mastered boats and hopped across the Pacific - from Hawaii to Fiji and the Maori's only first made it to NZ just 800 years ago.
By contrast the people who went to Asia - some went south - via Papa NG and some populated Aus - 40k years ago. So Maori and Aborigine people are racially completely unrelated and have an incredibly different history/migration route. | |
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| Can you actually buy ethical milk on 17:44 - Feb 16 with 2771 views | WeWereZombies |
| Can you actually buy ethical milk on 17:24 - Feb 16 by eireblue |
How do you know how much research I do, or reading I have done?
Not sure how me pointing out that in a vegan version of the world there is significantly less land required for agriculture.
You mentioned innovation. Imagine the innovation that is possible by having much more flexibility of land usage, when 75% less is required. |
And a link to this seventy five per cent less land use? Please forgive my scepticism. | |
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| Can you actually buy ethical milk on 17:53 - Feb 16 with 2746 views | WeWereZombies |
| Can you actually buy ethical milk on 17:33 - Feb 16 by bluelagos |
So a couple more interesting things from said book. They had used people's DNA and calculated 11 people crossed the Bearing Straights. They then populated the whole of the Americas - all descended from just 11 people ffs.
The same guys then mastered boats and hopped across the Pacific - from Hawaii to Fiji and the Maori's only first made it to NZ just 800 years ago.
By contrast the people who went to Asia - some went south - via Papa NG and some populated Aus - 40k years ago. So Maori and Aborigine people are racially completely unrelated and have an incredibly different history/migration route. |
It can turn all sorts of ideas on their head. I read in New Scientist some years back that Australian native people have a language that bears no relation to any other and does not conform to Chomsky's idea of a universal grammar:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_grammar
Maori development is incredible too, never entered the Iron Age but fashioned wood and greenstone weapons that allowed them to hold their own against the British Empire for a while.
Then there is Madagascar, not populated until seventeen hundred years ago and then, despite being only separated from Africa by the Mozambique Channel, mainly from Asia. | |
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| Can you actually buy ethical milk on 17:53 - Feb 16 with 2743 views | jeera |
Non-interesting fact.
I didn't like walnuts when I was young but now I do. |  |
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